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Various matters

Hello again! A few questions and comments for you:

  • If I revert a vandal's edit, then the vandal reverts, then I revert, etc., can I get autoblocked for violating 3RR?
  • I guess we were all blessed with this new reviewer status. I'm as confused as you are. As usual, there are phonebooks of info on the thing. But, when in practice, it will be as easy as pie and totally self-explanatory.
  • Did I read that you want to change your username? Doesn't that mean starting over, or otherwise having your displayed name different from your username (which confuses the heck out of everyone)?
  • I see you opted out of autosigning. I can't find info on that. What is it and why did you opt out?

Thanks!!!! Happy editing. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:08, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Whoa. okay lol. Here we go down the list:

1. No, you will never be blocked for reverting vandalism even if they "undo" your edit. Vandalism is vandalism and is never considered edit warring- However, they must be sufficiently warned before you can report them.

2. I got it all figured out now :)

3. No, a changed username is not starting over- a changed username is just that: a changed username (all your edits and everything- even months and years ago are automatically changed in page histories and everything as well as all subpages are relocated to the new username).

4. No autosign means SineBot will not sign comments on my talk page... which apparently doesnt work, because it still does. . Gr. Tommy2010 [message] 22:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

1. Fine and dandy. 2. I still haven't a clue. But, I will attend the "Reviewer Weekend Workshop", an intensive 27-hour seminar where they explain things with diagrams and hand puppets. 3. Wow. I don't like the sound of that for many reasons. 4. I'm not sure of the point of no autosign. I'm kind of glad it doesn't work. Both 3. & 4. seem to mess with the beautiful transparency of Wikipedia.
Thanks for the speedy reply. Sorry about your trouts. You just made a couple of minor mistakes. You must be getting tired of seafood. Maybe give them the minnow option. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Did you have any questions regarding FR? I may be able to answer them. Tommy2010 [message] 23:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
You mean Flabby Rastafarians? Yes. Many questions. How did they get so flabby, for starters. Unless you have some other FR in mind. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
LOL. No I mean flagged revisions Tommy2010 [message] 02:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Oh, 'that' FR. I think I'm cool with that. Isn't it just a new thingy where you just check to see if the edit is kosher, then click okay? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:58, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

In a nutshell, yes. Tommy2010 [message] 02:59, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Eh, I'm sure it'll make more sense when I see it in action.

You damn kids and your 'in-turn-net'. In my day, you wanted to stop a vandal, you sat there and reverted all day 'til they got bored or an admin came along. *grumble* HalfShadow 06:34, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

So with this system, you can sort of stop random IP vandalism before it starts by simply refusing to accept the edits? HalfShadow 06:39, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Well, you do not refuse the edits (which was what i was caught up on)- you can only accept them or undo/revert the edits, before they're saved.. essentially a reviewer is a moderator. You can "unaccept" the edits, after you accept them, but then they are only pending again. Thats what confused a lot of people liek myself at first. Tommy2010 [message] 06:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I made this page for testing.. try editing logged out and logged as well as the page history to get an idea how it works. Tommy2010 [message] 06:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Ah, so any edit made doesn't actually happen unless it's accepted or reverted. If it's accepted, it happens, if it's reverted, it never did. I think I get the idea, but I'm not sure I'm describing it properly. HalfShadow 06:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Yup, that's basically it in a nutshell. Kind of like posting in a forum, same idea. Now we'll see how it works out later today! :) Tommy2010 [message] 12:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Greetings Tommy2010 - I just gate-crashed your test site above to see what happened if someone other than the person monitoring it edits there. Message I got was as follows: Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! Your changes will be reviewed shortly (?)There is 1 pending revision. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 11:22, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Greetings again - not sure what you mean by "creating an account there". My rationale was to see what would happen as an anonymous IP. Do you want me to go back and do the same but as a registered user? --Technopat (talk) 12:19, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Got you. --Technopat (talk) 12:22, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

What?

That was mysterious. I still don't see the advantage. It's basically another way to make my job obsolescent. 2D Maestro LRTW L4L 13:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

(ooh big word). I remain open minded. Tommy2010 [message] 13:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
So, basically, any edit you make is checked over before it's accepted?? And the only advantage to joining reviewer class is to be able to edit some pages that others can't? I always wanted to revise the protection system, but not lose my job over it... 2D Maestro LRTW L4L 13:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
It's only a trial.. and on articles where it's requested, like WP:RPP. Tommy2010 [message] 13:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I C. 2 questions: Where do I request reviewer powers, and where can I request an already semi-protected page to be granted special reviewing protection? 2D Maestro LRTW L4L 13:20, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

any admin and actually, to my knowledge, it will be incorporated into the WP:RPP page. Create an account, request to be an admin here. When you set up an account ill give you the rights so you can see it. Tommy2010 [message] 13:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Then play with this article i made for testing. Tommy2010 [message] 13:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Whaddaya mean, create an account? Start a new one? Or what?
you can use this username
Ha, i didnt even see that was you!

You just got minnow'd

Follow me to join the secret cabal!

Plip!

One, that's a humor page, and two, that indeed was me. So try being a bit less trigger-happy, OK? I'm off to IRC...2D Maestro LRTW L4L 13:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

really sorry about that 2D.. if it matters, it popped up in irc and I only looked at the diff. Tommy2010 [message] 14:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 14 June 2010

eoin bradley

check your facts eoin bradley lives in kilrea but plays gaelic football for glenulion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.148.230 (talk) 01:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

No, you're changing it. You put "Bradley is from the small village of Kilrea but plays for rivals Glenullin" -- the reference associated with it clearly says his family is from Glenullin. Tommy [message] 01:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

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Michael Jackson

I can't edit the page as I'm using an IP, but you might want to take a look at the recent edits on the Michael Jackson page. (edits by User:TimothyHorrigan) -129.78.220.7 (talk) 03:00, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll look into it. Tommy [message] 03:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Ok, don't worry. On the surface, it looked contentious. -129.78.220.7 (talk) 03:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Signature

I like the new signature; are you trying to change your username to simply "Tommy"? As for that auto sign opt out thingy, it's only for posts BY YOU. As currently set up, if you forget to sign somewhere, the robot won't sign for you. I'm not sure how to opt a page out of automatic signing. You might check Sinebot's documentation for that one. Cheers! N419BH 03:15, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Damnit. Well, I can't- such a common name is already taken. I mean there are only 12M users/socks haha. Tommy [message] 03:18, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Looks like you can ban it by placing {{bots|deny=SineBot}} at the top of this page. N419BH 03:24, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! Tommy [message] 03:25, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Sweet let's try it! (N419BH)

lawls. look me not signing! :O

A Barnstar for You

The Userpage Shield
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my talk page! SheepNotGoats (talk) 13:22, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok

I'm sorry, but i have removed several times the release date for the video from this section, but i am not bother =].—Siquisloco(talk) 13:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


Reply about the edit

I was trying to delete a user page that I created. ?uest (talk) 23:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm confused why you would mark your own page as spam for a user page that's not even yours. Tommy [message] 23:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
That's right, I have changed my username. ?uest (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Okay..if you want one of your own userspace articles deleted, use {{U1}} Tommy [message] 23:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. ?uest (talk) 00:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Your judgement of my entry

I received your very bizarre chastizement of my edit in the EX-GAY page. I am a conservative Christian minister who is pro-gay. I am curious as to why you attacked me for using actual BIBLICAL references while not chastizing the original article writer for slander of homosexuals and abuse of the Biblical text - outright misquoting it.

1. Tone down the rhetoric- there's no attacking anywhere. 2. You need a diff link. But I'll keep looking Tommy [message] 01:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Replied on your talk page.

For Ur response to My question Tommy2010

I liked ur response to how i would be auto confirmed, but uploading pictures on webpages that i edit is giving me difficulty.How to go about it.thanks.```` earlymen {earlymen}12:13, 18 june 2010 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Tommy [message] 13:08, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer pendings and "accept summaries"

Only a couple have come my way. My "accept summaries" were "kosher" and "not a breach of guidelines, but may be reverted". The latter was this edit to World of Warcraft. It was, as I expected, reverted. I allowed the edit only because it didn't break any rules. My criteria for "accept" should simply be that the edit doesn't violate anything, not whether or not it is a good edit, right? Also, are the "accept summaries" conventional? Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Well you should accept edits that do not breach WP:V, WP:NPOV, etc. If you are unsure about the edit, don't feel rushed to accept it- let it stay pending. I'd personally alert someone familiar with the article, I'm sure there are many people familiar with that article with reviewer rights. The accept summaries are only available to reviewers- they are not public. Almost positive. Hope that helps -Tommy [message] 16:25, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
No kidding? Okay. I'm going to read-up. Letting it stay pending means just closing the tab, right? I don't see other choices. Accept summaries don't seem available/visible to me. Thanks for letting me bug you with questions. You are always very helpful. You will make a good admin one day. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
If it's pending the tab will stay open until a user accepts or a reviewer reverts it. Tommy [message] 17:04, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:59, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for catching that little tinker [1]

I have added a message for him on my user page but I suppose I may get told off for that lol

Chaosdruid (talk) 20:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem!  – Tommy [message] 21:19, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Ship Prefix Shortcuts

You reverted my edit to inflatable boat. However, I am using Template:USS, which on its description page says "This is a typing short cut for linking to US Navy ship articles named in the format "USS Deep Six (AWOL-99)". Since Ship names are italicized in article text, linking to them in the usual manner means typing everything twice, such as USS Deep Six (AWOL-99). This template halves that to USS Deep Six (AWOL-99)."

And now I see you've re-reverted it. Thanks for noticing and I'm glad I was able to help educate! 68.11.225.181 (talk) 04:31, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Me too :)  – Tommy [message] 04:32, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

RfA

Thank you very much for your contribution to my Rfa. I have made a comment about it at User talk:JamesBWatson#Your Request for Adminship which you are, of course, very welcome to read if you wish to. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:11, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

HI Tommy

Thanks for the message, I will be taking guidance and make Wikipedia more informative and affective and above all netral from you on time to time. In many topics I see comments which are seems to be either sided and or sometime they are not well supported by documentation. My view would be to be neutral always along with share my best knowledge. Further sometimes it happens that numerous articles and facts (which are sometimes historical) are found in libraries. I have a suggestion that if someone come accros such article and wants to share he should email scan copy it to Wikipedia and also let them know from where he got this.

Regards,

Tatom

Thank you

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. Girlwithgreeneyes (talk) 19:13, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

you're welcome  – Tommy [message] 19:13, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 21 June 2010

I would like to nominate you for adminship

I've been keeping an eye on you for the past while, and I've noticed that you want to be an admin someday. Your contributions and your fields of work suggest to me that you are ready. What do you say? Should I nominate you at Requests for Adminship now? The Utahraptor Talk 01:37, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually this is the 2nd time someone's asked me... I have to decline for now, but I appreciate the offer. :)  – Tommy [message] 01:41, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
No problem, I can respect your decision. The Utahraptor Talk 01:51, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
But I will open one eventually.  – Tommy [message] 02:02, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Please take a look at these

Hello Tommy2010. Would you please take a look at the edits from the IP that we have been dealing with here [2] and [3]. Sadly, these look like trolling to me - especially in light of your efforts in several places and Rodhullandemu's posts on Audrey Hepburn's talk page. In the normal course of things I would add "unsourced" warnings on the IP's talk page. On this occasion I will defer to your attempt to AGF. If you feel that there is something positive that can be done please feel free to try. If, on the other hand these continue in the next 24 hours (it is 21:30 MDT 6-22-10 where I am) I feel that it would be remiss of me to not begin to add the necessary warnings to the IP's talk page. Thanks again for your efforts I just hope that we are not feeding a troll. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 03:33, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I've seen enough to know what trolling is and isn't. That isn't trolling. Maybe the second link, maybe. But we could just assume it's a new user.  – Tommy [message] 03:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
So the question is do you feel the need to talk to the IP about these new edits. By the way I have seen multiple forms of trolling and this one is following the path of others that I have had to deal with. MarnetteD | Talk 03:38, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I have spoken to the IP in question. I'm really done talking about this.  – Tommy [message] 03:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

At least remove the single-out in Kang, it is supposed to be neutral point of view after all. kang also is a meme now as well, so no reason to delete that edit. I was a bit rash with the "pretentious stuck up" bit I'll admit... Sorry to get you involved and waste your time. 208.125.58.214 (talk) 15:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Census

This is the website I got the estimates from http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/calera_fastest_growing_alabama.html http://www.census.gov/popest/estimates.html GGMcDaddy (talk) 16:13, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok thank you. I'll reference it shortly into the article.  – Tommy [message] 16:13, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for making my message to the new user more friendly! Active Banana (talk) 17:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Um

Is there some reason why you would remove warning templates from an IP talk page and apologize for it? It's one thing to try and explain something to someone, it's quite another to apologize for personal attack warnings such as one on the very talk page you deleted it from: "The content is acceptable and you're a prick." It's one thing to be friendly, it's quite another to dismiss fairly issued warnings. That's not really appropriate. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I didn't see that particular comment, but I was aware of some of the comments he said and as a result I did tell the IP to remain calm and not use "idiot". I removed them because the IP was trying to help (sure he used personal attacks) but he didn't like the way editors were templating him and disregarding his comments on his own talk page.  – Tommy [message] 20:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
My impression is that the IP editor is likely in junior high school, from the tone of the comments and posts. He started adding a song that wasn't truly about the subject and then jumped over to insert that a comedy film with Owen Wilson and Vincent Vaughn had a rape in it. His comments on his talk page were rude and included personal attacks. Thanks for responding. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Yea I've seen wedding crashers (just recently too).. the scene he was referring to could arguably been a rape. Was it necessarily a better version? Well, no. Vandalism? definitely not. He was just IAR. I won't speculate about the age. We have many good young (really young) editors and older editors alike  – Tommy [message] 20:44, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

User page

Thanks for catching the vandalism to my user page. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:49, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome  – Tommy [message] 01:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

You missed

A user who stopped editing for 4 years and returned violating WP:BLP rules. TbhotchTalk C. 06:35, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't miss that. Yes they were BLP vio's but even so, being blocked after sending a message like this to an admin... I don't understand. It wasn't rude, just a newbie. I really don't think he falls under the VOA/troll category, yet at least. Maybe I don't have the experience to judge that yet, it just seems quick in my opinion.  – Tommy [message] 12:51, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Ask it to MaterialScientist, not to me. TbhotchTalk C. 15:55, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Will do.  – Tommy [message] 15:56, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

check your facts

tommy it was not an opinion it was a fact it was voted best shop this year. it has the most acidemically succesful and school Spirit filled sttudents

(talk page stalker) well than, [citation needed]. Pilif12p :  Yo  15:03, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


RE:

Ok, well can you explain to me how you belive this is clear cut vandalisum? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:188.92.236.42&diff=prev&oldid=370101763 I'm actuly interested to knw and I'm not trying to be samrt here, My wikipedia moto is that I like to learn new things and learn from my mistakes. James'ööders 16:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

As said in the warning and one of the reasons why Huggle is awesome is because it provides the previous diff before the reversion. unconstructive: can't remove content without a reason.  – Tommy [message] 16:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I'd also like to mention that "clearcut" vandalism is fairly rare to be honest in my opinion. There are many unconstructive edits, but there are many reasons behind why.  – Tommy [message] 16:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm just going to leave it at that then. Who knows mayby I overlooked things with you, If this is the case, I do Appolagise to you, I know your in good Faith as I can see your commitment to Wikipedia. At the end of the day, I like to work with fellow RC patrollers. Cheers :D James'ööders 16:50, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. You'll pick it up I know it. There are whole sites dedicated to destroying Wikipedia as well as some now banned users who continue to attempt to run amok here, which have obviously failed. You'll quickly pick it up. In the mean time, you should help us coordinate anti vandalism in WP:IRC. :)  – Tommy [message] 16:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

No Problems, Thanks and I Appreciate your help :D James'ööders 17:20, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

June 2010

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
This isn't the final barnstar you will receive regarding your constructive edits. If you revert vandalism on Wikipedia again, I may have nothing to revert until you log off. dffgd 16:53, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
LOL! Well I'm off! haha. Dude The "June2010" section popped up in IRC and the first thing that came to my mind was like WTF?! That's great, thank you!!  – Tommy [message] 16:55, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
What is IRC? I ran across WP:IRC a while ago, but I don't really understand it and I'd like an explanation from a user, not an article. dffgd 17:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Just to say munch!

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:) dffgd 20:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
here's another Dincher (talk) 16:57, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Wow, thank you!  – Tommy [message] 16:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your feedback on my adminship nomination. You're right, only Jimbo can ban somebody. I worded it wrong. I guess it's because the nomination caught me off guard, and I was a little nervous. Anyways, thanks again. The Utahraptor Talk 18:01, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Cha be careful with that kinda stuff and carefully think out what you really mean.  – Tommy [message] 18:05, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Will do. I responded to your question, by the way. The Utahraptor Talk 18:29, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
No rush amigo  – Tommy [message] 18:30, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

WP:DUCK

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for block evasion of Tommy 72 (talk · contribs) per WP:DUCK. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.
Heh, sorry for the scare, but I couldn't resist. You said that an account Bobby998, having made two good edits, should be blocked automatically for block evasion since there was a VOA Billy999 three months earlier. That would be an overzealous application of WP:DUCK, <firstname><number> is a freakishly common user name and does not conclusively show a relation between two accounts. And even if there were no doubt that they are the same person it would also be a purely punitive block if Bobby998 started out with good edits. With three months time since the block and only five vandalistic edits in the old account, I would always accept this as a clean start or second chance and see how it plays out. You are technically correct that active blocks mustn't be evaded, but context matters. Blocks and reverts are cheap, constructive editors invaluable.
Cheers, Amalthea 20:34, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
oooo.... well said. wow. thank you.  – Tommy [message] 20:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Support scare. dffgd 20:43, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Support ban ... kidding.

Although Amalthea, 72 and 2010 are pretty far apart, but i get your point.  – Tommy [message] 20:45, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah well, had to balance name, number, and being blocked only a couple months before you started editing. Tommy1234 (talk · contribs) and Tommy213 (talk · contribs) were both blocked ages ago. :) Amalthea 21:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Interesting: Satan666 (talk · contribs) is blocked, but neither Satan665 (talk · contribs) or Satan667 (talk · contribs) exist... yet. ;) – B.hotep •talk• 21:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
well 666 is the evil number or whatever they believe.  – Tommy [message] 21:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
The neighbors of the beast, eh? Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

What.

I never edited the Lawrence MA article. Dunno why you said I did. --96.233.52.113 (talk) 16:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Your IP is probably shared by several people; that would mean that someone else probably did it. ~~ Hi878 (Come yell at me!) 16:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Hi  – Tommy [message] 16:49, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

editing "Mathematical modelling of infectious disease"

Dear Tommy2010,

I am wondering why you decide to eliminate the "warning" on the use of software for simulating diseases spread on the page "Mathematical modelling of infectious disease".

I can tell you a story about the misused of this kind of software made by policy makers. On 2008 I was attending a scientific conference focused on epidemiology. After a talk made by a policy maker a researcher in the audience ask him the value of the basic reproductive number he used for predicting the spread of the disease the local community was facing. The poly maker answered that he do not know but he said that he was simulating a very severe epidemic because he has chosen a transmission rate two-times higher than the default of the software!!

The story I have just told you is a perfect example of the misuse of such software. I feel that the public release of software for simulating the spread of infectious diseases could be extremely dangerous. Such software can be used by “common people”, but I strongly believe that policy makers cannot base their decisions on the basis of the outputs of such software because they are not prepared enough.

Therefore, I strongly suggest that, at least in Wikipedia, a warning have to be written.

Best, BioMod

PS: Are you a modeler or a policy maker?

I am just one of the millions of users. As said in my edit summary, "warnings" are not encyclopedic. Remember Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. You may of course readd it, but make sure it reads like an encyclopedia, non-biased, and well sourced. If you'd like help on how to do that, you can always ask. Thank you  – Tommy [message] 01:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)



Hi Tommy,

thanks for welcome me on Wikipedia. During the last years I made sporadic editing on the pages related on infectious diseases modeling, but this is the first time I have created an account…

I will be more than happy if you want to help me in rephrasing my “warning” in a way more suitable for an encyclopedia! My point is that this “warning” for policy makers should be written. Unfortunately we cannot write it also on the pages where software are publicly released; thus, at least, we can write it on Wikipedia and then we can hope that policy makers make a reliable use of such software…

Thanks again for your help,

cheers

BioMod

Username

Oh my name's fine.

It may not be all rainbows and butterflies but it's not inappropriate

Kill me when i die (talk) 11:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem.
It's actually a song lyric if you cared [1]

Kill me when i die (talk) 11:45, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I had a feeling :p  – Tommy [message] 11:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.sing365.com/music/Lyric.nsf/Battlezone-lyrics-Bone-Thugs-N-Harmony/3CF015A503ED8817482568C7002BB10D

;) dffgd 13:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

*facepalm*

it's a shame

When users try to edit with a malfunctioning keyboard. Thanks for the help. Tiderolls 23:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Seriously I just saw user:V4nd4l king earlier.. ha. No problem. I'm really glad you are now a sysop now, I feel it's a very, very good thing. Please block the troll who just vandalized my userpage too. Thank you TR.  – Tommy [message] 23:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

tommy

hey sorry. i'm trying to fix the storylines on the Desperate Housewives (Season 7) it is on the far right. It needs to be just normal underneath all the columns instead of just one.

Replied on your talk page, I fixed it, thank you. A for effort  – Tommy [message] 01:12, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

re my RfA, would you do me this honor?

I am up in a recall RfA here. Because it is a recall RfA, the bureaucrats have declined to close it (this is discussed in detail in a couple of sections here. It turns out there is no set procedure for how a recall RfA is to be closed. Presumably any editor can close it. I'm not sure that's a good idea. And both at the the bureaucrats' noticeboard and on my talk page it has been stated by several editors that the only person qualified to close the RfA would be me, the subject. I guess this is so, but as you can imagine, this could lead to claims to conflict of interest and so forth

Instead I would like to set up a trio of closers, including myself, with the majority ruling. There is no precedent for this but then this is a fairly unprecedented situation altogether. I would like the other two editors to be persons with good reputations for fairness who cannot be accused of being selected by me in my own self-interest. Would you please do me the favor of being one of these? I would greatly appreciate your taking the time to do this.

The RfA can be closed anytime after 15:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC). The closing process is discussed here and elsewhere. Some people have said that the usual 75%-ish standard should be relaxed for recall RfA's; I'm not sure I agree, but all this would be entirely up to you.

I do hope you will do me this great favor. Herostratus (talk) 17:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Well I am indeed humbled you'd ask me in all honesty. I do agree, based on my experience, and per reading WP:RFA carefully that 75% is the general threshold for successful RfAs. However, upon looking at some other RfA's there are obvious exceptions, based upon the closing bureaucrat discretion of the true merit brought up by the opposers. This is indeed unprecedented and I do commend your honesty, keeping your word and setting the bar higher in terms of intregity, not lower as some others have expressed. If I had it my way, I'd make something like this mandatory for all sysops, say once every year or so in the spirit of transparency.
With all that being said and only contributing here for 4 months (generally) I have absolutely no idea how to close any RfA, yet alone take on a task so 'controversial' as this one. Given that you were kind enough to ask, and given the enormous weight of this important decision, with your discretion and another LT trusted administrator, I'll help close the RfA in good faith that you keep your word and that you may open another RfA at any time in the future to regain sysop status. If you still feel you want me to help do this, please reconfirm below, but if not, I take no offense should you rather ask someone more experienced in this area of the project.  – Tommy [message] 19:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Read. I'd rather not say anything until I hear back from Herostratus. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Ok fine with me  – Tommy [message] 19:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Just a note, I make no decisions until properly and thoroughly discussed.  – Tommy [message] 19:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for telling me that. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I also understand people do make mistakes, HS.  – Tommy [message] 19:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate your helping me by undertaking this difficult task. Only four months? I scanned quicly down your list of barnstars and figured more than that. But that's fine; if you have that many barnstars in four months you are probably a rising star and this will be a good experience for you -- after all, even admins never get to close an RfA!

I myself know little about closing RfA's also, but I would assume that the sole and only question to be answered is: Does this candidate have the consensus of the community to be an admin? It doesn't have to do with whether or not you personally believe that mistakes are forgivable or which ones; it doesn't have to do with whether the candidate is or was an admin previously; it especially doesn't have to do with your personal opinion on whether the candidate would or would not make a good admin. It most especially doesn't have to do with your appreciating my trusting you in this way. It only has to do with answering that one question. (At least, that is my belief, not having yet read up on it.)

Closing time is coming fast, let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Herostratus (talk) 04:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

NOTE: I would like to post your name as a closer at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Herostratus 2. May I? Please reply soonest, thanks. Herostratus (talk) 04:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Along with Gwen and yourself, yes.  – Tommy [message] 12:21, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

"Keep taking the tablets"

Just a comment from a neutral party; see this comment. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  19:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

thanks for the note  – Tommy [message] 19:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

PBSKIDS

Hello Tommy2010, thank you for your contributions on articles related to PBS Kids. I'd like to invite you to become a part of Wikipedia:WikiProject PBSKids, a WikiProject aimed at improving the quality of PBS Kids articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page for more information. Thanks!

Recent edit on the Yellow Album

I meant to say "such", not "suck". The K and H keys are quite close on the keyboard and are easily mistaken. Sorry for the inconvienience.

Ah, okay. Thanks for the message.  – Tommy [message] 03:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Cut-and-paste move at Marcela Valladolid

Hi Tommy2010. I've been reviewing Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Marcela Valladolid. I see you created Marcela Valladolid a few days ago, with the edit summary "From AfC...". That renders the existing AfC request redundant; before I close and redirect it under the "already exists" parameter I just wanted to check whether there was a particular reason for making a cut-and-paste move in this case rather than using the "move" function? If not, I may ask for a history merge to credit the original submitter's work on the article. Or have I missed something? Thanks. Gonzonoir (talk) 13:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I significantly revamped the article from the original AfC article, even the original edit is different from the AfC one; the 2 are now nothing alike.  – Tommy [message] 13:38, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Sure, I do see the significant differences between the two now. It's in much better condition thanks to your work. All I'm saying is that some of the prose that made it into the first saved version at Marcela Valladolid is identical to some in the last version of the AfC submission as edited by the original contributor. To credit the original contributor for his/her work, I think it would be legitimate to carry out a history merge here. Let me know if you disagree; otherwise I'll go ahead and request the merge. Gonzonoir (talk) 13:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't see why you'd do that.. the original version was almost a virtual copy and paste from the food network site-- it was obviously biased and almost word for word... I used multiple references and took out the unnecessary biases such as "not only is she a good cook, but she is also a good mother." You know what I mean?  – Tommy [message] 13:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Sure, I do know what you mean - not trying to knock the work you did at all. I hadn't seen how close the text was to copyviolation of the Food Network biography. Hmm, that being the case, merging the histories is perhaps not the thing to do. I just came across the apparently abandoned AfC submission, and the extant article that bore clear similarities to a prior version of the AfC submission, and I was trying to make sure that all the text's legitimate authors got credit. It now doesn't seem like a histmerge would serve that. Thanks for clearing it up for me. Gonzonoir (talk) 13:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Although, what to do with the AFC submission now? Also, does my article on Marcela qualify for DYK? I've submitted it but it has not been reviewed (under June 26). Thanks!  – Tommy [message] 14:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
I've just converted the original AfC submission into a redir, and let the contributor know what happened, what the problem is with copyright violations, and where they can now find the completed article. (It's a bit of a tangled tale, since the original creator didn't even actually make the AfC submission - someone else moved it to AfC from article space without noticing the copyvio! Byzantine enough?) As for DYK, I don't think this should affect eligibility: the text of your first draft at Marcela Valladolid bears sufficiently little resemblance to what the first author wrote (which was anyway a copyvio) that I don't think the article's past history of copyvios and namespace hopping is relevant. But I don't know how legalistic the mood is at DYK at the moment... Gonzonoir (talk) 14:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thank you  – Tommy [message] 14:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Please watch my talk page

Could you stalk my talk page? I would like some other users to be watching it. Thanks. –dffgd 17:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

done.  – Tommy [message] 18:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I am now watching it, too. ;-) Christian75 (talk) 10:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:)  – Tommy [message] 10:36, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
You left a {{tps}} when you agreed to stalk a page? Heh... Thanks. –dffgd 15:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

re RfA closing time

Yes, close whenever you like, I believe the closers have an option of performing an early close, and if not the candidate has the option of permitting it (which I do), especially in this rather unprecedented case, or anyway if not they should. So whatever suits you. Anyway, isn't June 30th Wednesday? I think closing is Wednesday at 11:22 in the morning here on the East Coast (12:22 PM Central, 1:22 PM Mountain, 2:22 PM California time), right? Herostratus (talk) 17:52, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

yup. I won't be closing it early though, nervous enough as it is to do it. ha  – Tommy [message] 18:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
I have added a form at the top of the RfA for each of the three closing editors. All you need to do is remove either the "was" or "was not", and sign. I think you should not add any comment there (you can on the talk page if you wish, I guess). All three editors should vote, even if the first two have voted the same way, making the third vote moot. The third editor voting should then add the templates described at Wikipedia:Bureaucrats#Promotions and RfX closures -- either Subst:rfap/Subst:rfab or Subst:rfaf/Subst:rfab -- to the top and bottom of the page, and perform the other actions described there, e.g. editing either Wikipedia:Successful requests for adminship or Wikipedia:Unsuccessful adminship candidacies (Chronological). Also Wikipedia:Standing reconfirmations would need to be edited, and perhaps other places as well. If assistance is needed, I suggest asking User:Xeno as she has been helpful in the technical aspects of this process. Herostratus (talk) 14:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Believe me, I'll be leaving a lengthy rationale on the talk page.  – Tommy [message] 14:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Don't be nervous! It's not that big a deal. Whichever way you go, it is possible that you will get one or two comments on your talk page to the effect of "How could you have made that decision, you idiot!" That goes with the territory - better get used to it if you want to be an admin! Herostratus (talk) 14:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Please see User_talk:Gwen_Gale#re_my_RfA_close_--. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
done.
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