User talk:ShawarmaFan07

August 2024

Hello, I'm Cordless Larry. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Lebanese people in the United Kingdom, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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October 2024

Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, as you did to Female genital mutilation in the United Kingdom. Your edits do not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use your sandbox. Thank you. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:42, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cordless Larry how do I make my sandbox? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 18:00, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You click on the link to it above. To be clear about what the issue was though, your edit suggested that the Observer reported that pupils would be taught about honour based attacks, but the source doesn't say that. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About the sandbox, I am going to edit it, but the options were limited to "user page view". How do I edit that? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 22:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Murder of Shafilea Ahmed. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. The source you're citing doesn't state or imply that the violence "had escalated further from the age of 15", only that "she had suffered from regular domestic violence from the age of 15." Belbury (talk) 13:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Belbury The bit about the violence escalated from the age of 15 is said in a source, and I think it's already cited. This source ^[1] said that her violence had escalated from the age of 15 in the middle of this article. I believe this is already cited. So I think it is okay to say that her violence escalated. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 13:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/03/shafilea-ahmed-history-of-violence

Sure, I hadn't read that one, that seems fine. You just cited https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-18924284 for the addition, which doesn't put it like that. Belbury (talk) 13:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Also, not to worry because I have another source that mentions escalation. Do you mind if I revert it back and add the source? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 13:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, go ahead. Belbury (talk) 13:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone back and checked this in more detail given the November 2024 thread below about you inventing false quotations, and I see that you've taken

The violence meted out by her parents escalated in the months before her death

from the Guardian and

she said she had suffered from regular domestic violence from the age of 15

from the BBC to produce

Shafilea said that she had experienced domestic violence, that escalated from the age of 15

This is WP:SYNTHESIS, to "combine material from multiple sources to state or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources". We don't know from these two sources that Shafilea herself spoke about the escalation. "escalated from the age of 15" is also an inaccurate summary of "escalated in the months before her death" (she died aged 17), and implies that she also was experiencing violence before the age of 15, which neither of these sources appears to say. Belbury (talk) 09:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Shawarma. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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nableezy - 19:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please self-revert your latest edit or be reported for edit-warring and violating ARBPIA restrictions. nableezy - 19:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is happening right now... I have been accused edit warring Israel and Arab conflict? Sure I will self revert. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 19:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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November 2024

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Murder of Rukhsana Naz, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. I can't see anything in the source you're citing that says that Shakeela Naz used the phrases "was proud of killing her own daughter" and "no regrets" in court. Belbury (talk) 12:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Belbury But in the PDF source, it discussed that her mother had no regrets of killing her daughter though at the end of the paragraph. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 17:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the PDF says:

Rukhsana’s mother is said to “[have] no regret over what she has done”, despite the fact that she is still serving her time in prison.

It's not clear whose assessment that is. The source doesn't say that Shakeela Naz spoke those words herself in court. It definitely doesn't say that she told the court she was "proud of killing her own daughter". Where did you get that from? Belbury (talk) 18:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, wikipedia article words don't necessarily need to 100% match with the words in the source. As long as it's along the lines. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 21:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can and should WP:PARAPHRASE the prose of sources, but not quotations. If you read a source that says

Rukhsana’s mother is said to “[have] no regret over what she has done”, despite the fact that she is still serving her time in prison.

You cannot write that up as

She said in court that she "was proud of killing her own daughter" and had "no regrets".

She did not say those words.

Have you written other Wikipedia content like this, reading a source, making up some quotations "along the lines" in your own words and then writing that somebody said them? Belbury (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, not really but along the lines of a quote I did was in the Shafilea Ahmed article, in which I added extra info about the domestic abuse she subjected to as a child escalated aged 15. This was also "along the lines"; besides, there was one article already cited from the get go that said "escalated". As long as readers understand, then specification shouldn't be necessary. Should it? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 23:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could summarise the source in your own words by writing something like

Shakeela Naz was reported as not expressing any regret over her actions.

(avoiding quoting "no regret" directly, so as not to imply that she may have said the words herself) but writing that she literally said the words "proud of killing her own daughter" in court, because you think that's the kind of thing she might have felt, and that it gives the reader a good understanding of her character, is enormously inappropriate.

I'm surprised I have to spell this out, but you must not invent quotations when editing Wikipedia. Belbury (talk) 09:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've also removed this sentence you added to Murder of Noor Almaleki where you claim that the victim's father called her an ugly slut. This is not in the source and I can't find any sources that use the phrase. Belbury (talk) 11:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It didn't? Let me have a look. As far as I can remember, one of the cited sources did show that Faleh Al-Maleki called his daughter a "slut". If its there then I will revert it and tell you where in the sources had said that. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The CBS News source does quote a friend of Noor summarising the father's view in their own words:

"And he just thought...that was a really bad thing for his daughter to do, for a Muslim daughter to do. And he just thought she was a slut," Adhi explained.

You had written:

her parents did not approve, with her father yelling at and calling Noor an "ugly slut"

Belbury (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, with the Naz article, we do not have to exactlu match the words from the source. As long as it is along the lines, then it shouldn't be an issue. Should it? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 15:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have to match the facts from the source. The source does not say that her father yelled at her. The source does not say that her father called her an "ugly slut".

When you put quotation marks around words, you are saying that the person said those exact words. Belbury (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This account has been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet that was created to violate Wikipedia policy. Note that using multiple accounts is allowed, but using them for illegitimate reasons is not, and that all edits made while evading a block or ban may be reverted or deleted. If this account is not a sockpuppet, and you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here ~~~~}} below. Bbb23 (talk) 16:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppet of who? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 10:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23 Who was I being a sockpuppet of? I genuinely do not know who it is as you didn't tell me. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 15:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your userpage tells you.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, okay. But I can explain. When I first used wikipedia, it was on a website, hence I did not know algorithms and how wiki rules worked, hence I thought my edits were just automatically reverted. I decided to have a try and experiment how I can edit, but now I know, so when I made this new account, I now constructively edited wiki pages, and this time I added sources that supported them, rather than abusing my privileges unlike what I did when I first edited.

I do apologise for all the edit warrings; I really do mean it, if I ever get reverted, I will let it reverted and only discuss, which I do promise about. Again, as I made accounts after my first account, I acknowledged that I must properly add constructive edits and discuss without edit warring. I will not edit war once more and just discuss, even when it comes to scenarios in which I didn't start but someone would. I accepted my past mistakes and I really will not do any of this drama again, even though you may not trust me. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 19:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please disclose all of the accounts you've used.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I do that if I had forgotten all my other accounts' passwords? For LDas12345 aswell as RailwayFan12345? I could not remember my password for these two accounts. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 21:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23 LDas12345 (6 Dec 2023-2 Feb 2024)

RailwayFan12345 (30 Jun-4 Jul 2024) ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 09:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about User:RailwayFan123?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't remember the name, however, when I saw the contributions, I immediately recognised. I reverted the edits because it messed up the entire lead of that category page when I didn't mean to do that; I tried to add these people in the victim list. Wiki said that I didn't have enough edits with my IP to edit with the account, hence I abandoned it straight after reverting that filicide edit. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 14:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have not made an unblock request. Assuming you have actually forgotten the password to the master account, you can make an unblock request here. However, the odds of it being accepted or next to nil. At best, you could get a standard offer of waiting 6 months without evading your block, either with yet another account or IPs, but first you'd have to explain why you've repeatedly lied about socking. On July 5, 2024, you wrote after the block notice of RailwayFan12345 "I do not understand what you mean by this. I do not know who LDas12345 is until now. I genuinely put 12345 as that's my user preference on usernames online." Even here, your disingenous comment "Who was I being a sockpuppet of? I genuinely do not know who it is as you didn't tell me." was a lie. You knew exactly who you were a sockpuppet of. I have nothing more to say.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I admit my mistake. I didn't know that I can appeal for an unblock, so I just lied by randomly denying being a sock. Which I admit, it was stupid and highly unethical. I just wanted to continue using wikipedia as I researched many stuff that are good to add on to wikipedia and I didn't want to be out of here. Using wiki and adding good faith edits is a hobby for me. With all the previous experience and discipline I had previously, I will behave better. How could I get this standard offer? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 15:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I saw that linked article and it said that after those 6 months, I can talk to an administrator. Are you one of the administrators? Is there any other user I can reach out to after those coming months? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 15:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/03/shafilea-ahmed-history-of-violence

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