User talk:Struthious Bandersnatch

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Proposed deletion of International Congress on Tuberculosis

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Nomination for deletion of Template:FDA CDRH reg list DB search link

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Your complaint is fully wrong at Edit warring

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Enough

What is up with your obsession with me and my edits? I did not violate the topic ban (which itself was unwarranted), and you know it. If you want to complain about someone who is editing with a clear agenda, and is abusive to other editors, I can offer plenty of suggestions. Chartreuse&Puce (talk) 22:27, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

​I notice that there's a new edit warring warning on your talk page from yet another editor who has had to deal with you. This thing where you completely ignore the rules, then protest with doe-eyed innocence that you've got no idea what you did wrong and are really just being martyred for your agenda... it does not seem to be working so well for you. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 23:21, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

...Aaaand for posterity's sake, that user was indefinitely blocked for the edit warring soon thereafter. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 07:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

WP:BRD

Hi. Thanks for not edit-warring. You're absolutely correct, BRD says, "While discussing the disputed content, neither editors should revert or change the content being discussed until a compromise or consensus is reached." The exact policy I should have referenced is WP:BURDEN. Sorry about the wrong attribution.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Li-Meng Yan

Where is Yan in the video you are determined to include? Can you give me a timestamp? In response to your edit summary, we can only consider it a self-published source if she was clearly the publisher. Although I'm not sure if you were genuinely arguing that it is her channel/she uploaded the video. CowHouse (talk) 14:32, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

@CowHouse: The video is already included in the article content—In interviews, initially in January 2020 with "LuDe Media" (「路德社」), owned by exiled Chinese businessman Guo Wengui...—you just seem to be intent on eliding the fact that it's a Youtube video. Your further concept that Wikipedia reliable sourcing guidelines mean that the existence of coverage in non-RS is "not noteworthy" and that hence you have carte blanche to delete mention of Yan's Daily Mail interview from the content of the article—that concept is also not valid, that's not what sourcing policies and guidelines mean and notability policy (even if there were some policy or guideline that Daily Mail interviews are inherently non-notable, which there isn't) is about topics of articles, not the facts within them. WP:WEIGHT is the closest thing that would govern inclusion of facts in an article and if that were applied here it would be arguing that two words about an interview are undue weight in the article of a person whose notability, at the point of creation of the article at least, was based on publicizing her opinions in such interviews.

The whole salient thing here is that Yan, a scientist with the access and capacity to publish things in international peer-reviewed publications, broke her story in a self-published Youtube channel (self-published by LuDe Media, not Yan, Youtube serving the role of a vanity press) and then publicized that story in a series of questionably reliable or non-reliable news sources. Applying your personal "only the existence of noteworthy coverage must be mentioned" principle to the article is making a quack seem more legitimate than she actually is. (And to be clear it's the content of the article—the undisputed facts—I really care about here, not the refs, although the LuDe Media one in particular cost me a great deal of time to hunt down as I have only a rudimentary command of written Chinese.) --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 00:29, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

If you watch the YouTube video you cited, you will notice that Yan is not in it. If I am wrong, please provide a timestamp of her appearance in the video.

You also said she broke her story in a self-published Youtube channel (self-published by LuDe Media, not Yan, Youtube serving the role of a vanity press). According to WP:BLPSPS: "Never use self-published sources [...] as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article."

Regarding the Daily Mail, you initially added that she was interviewed with the Daily Mail without providing any source mentioning this. You then linked directly to the Daily Mail, which is a WP:DEPRECATED source and not appropriate in a WP:BLP. Your third and final attempt cited a source which did not say she was interviewed by the Daily Mail, but instead mentioned that the Daily Mail reported on her Fox News interview. So far, you have either provided no source, a deprecated source, or a source which does not mention that she was interviewed with the Daily Mail. CowHouse (talk) 04:23, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

@CowHouse: Aargh, I have definitely watched at least one LuDe Media video in which Yan appears but I have clearly mixed something up because you're right that she does not appear in the January 19 video and I can't confirm whether she's even mentioned by name in it. So all we've got is the Deutsche Welle article saying that she "通过流" LuDe some time in January, which doesn't mention Youtube, and hence you were right to keep the reference to the January 19 video out of the article. I apologize profusely and I'm horrified by the possibility you watched that entire 80-minute video to no avail. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 05:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry, I didn't watch the entire 80-minute video. I just looked at the progress bar preview. By the way, you will be pleased to know a recent article in Vox mentions that Yan was interviewed in the Daily Mail so feel free to add it to Yan's page (without worrying that I will undo it again). CowHouse (talk) 18:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

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September 2020

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Rest in peace; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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To be clear here, on the talk page of the article in question I have invited Ivar the Boneful to report me to WP:AN3 if he actually has any evidence of edit warring. We will see if he or she does. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 14:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

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Date formats

When you add citations, as you did to Coronavirus disease 2019, please try to use the format used in the article, or at least don't specify the |df= parameter which overrides the format set in the article by the {{Use dmy dates}} template at the top of the page. There's more detail at Help:Citation Style 1 #Auto-formatting citation template dates. Thanks --RexxS (talk) 12:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Sure RexxS, will do. Thank you for fixing my contribution in that article. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 14:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

No problem. They changed the handling of formatted dates in CS1 templates a little while ago, in order to read the {{Use dmy dates}} & {{Use mdy dates}} templates, and so we generally don't need the |df= parameter any more (other than in rare cases). Cheers --RexxS (talk) 15:19, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The breonna taylor search warrant was not a no knock warrant, revert and cease edit warring 'The warrant was not served as a no-knock warrant,' Kentucky AG says

The breonna taylor search warrant was not a no knock warrant,see Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth

revert and cease edit warring

'The warrant was not served as a no-knock warrant,' Kentucky AG says https://www.whas11.com/article/news/investigations/breonna-taylor-case/breonna-taylor-decision-no-knock-warrant-louisville-officers-announced-attorney-general/417-7dd8174f-53f1-4af6-8baf-c36eb4bd7cc1

it is off the breonna taylor page itself for a reason.

Sorry abt the dead links

Not sure what happened that two of the links that I posted went 404.

It was super helpful that you posted those links to the other WP articles.

They all fail to reflect the minority POV in the slightest which obv exists.

For instance If we claim that the criminal justice system is white-supremacist, why is it that Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites. I think it's fair to say that your average white supremacist disapproves of Jews. And yet, these alleged white supremacists incarcerate gentiles at vastly higher rates than Jews. None of this is addressed in those articles. None of this is explained, beyond hand-waving and ad hominems. "Those are racist dogwhistles". "The model minority myth is white supremacist". "Only fascists talk about black-on-black crime", ad nauseam. These types of statements do not amount to counterarguments: they are simply arbitrary offensive classifications, intended to silence and oppress discourse. Any serious historian will recognize these for the silencing orthodoxy tactics they are, common to suppressive regimes, doctrines, and religions throughout time and space. They are intended to crush real diversity and permanently exile the culture of robust criticism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:46:C801:B1F0:F5BB:3B86:E159:625A (talk) 06:22, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

For instance I noticed this study was missing even though it is more current than much of the material? Do White Law Enforcement Officers Target Minority Suspects? To answer this question, the authors construct a data set of all confirmed uses of lethal force by police officers in the United States in 2014 and 2015. They find that although minority suspects are disproportionately killed by police, white officers appear to be no more likely to use lethal force against minorities than nonwhite officers.

It is RS and clearly says non white officers are just as likely to use lethal force against minorities as white officers. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/puar.12956

A NPOV WP includes such material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:46:C801:B1F0:F5BB:3B86:E159:625A (talk) 06:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is WP:NOTSOCIALMEDIA. Please hold discussions about specific articles on their respective talk pages and general discussions about the entire encyclopedia or sections of it on pages and talk pages intended for that purpose under the Wikipedia: namespace, such as the Teahouse, the Village pump, and the many "discussions and collaborations" pages linked to from the Wikipedia:Community portal which is in the left-hand menu, rather than here on my user talk page. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 06:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

The WP is about collaboration, I am merely here collaborating. SO very helpful again. We will be holding them there too. In addition, I will be working on the pages regarding race and socio economics which may be of some interest to you as well. The US is home to more successful poc and women than any country in the history of earth. They enjoy more freedom and have achieved greater economic success than anywhere else in this history of earth. They're in positions of authority in everything from the justive system to billion dollar hedge funds to hospitals. In particular several US black zip codes are the wealthiest black zip codes or like on earth. I'm going to need some of that systemic racism material to balance this stuff out. TYIA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:46:C801:B1F0:DDB:D4EE:D223:5F4B (talk) 09:40, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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Ah, if you look at my logs I have delivered this alert to other editors, so I already count as Aware™. But thank you for the notice anyways. I believe I was able to get a disruptive user blocked with less red tape because of your proactive delivery of these alerts, Doug Weller, so thank you for all the work you do too. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 15:57, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I use Twinkle and it normally informs me. I've got {{Ds/aware}} at the top of my talk page. Glad to see my work today has helped you! Doug Weller talk 16:03, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Colons and asterisks

Thanks for trying to improve Wikipedia:Colons and asterisks, but the nutshell needs to be as concise as possible. In addition, your formula "if you are responding to a comment beginning with a colon (:), begin your own comment with at least one colon." fails because, for example, replying to :*:: with ::::* fits your formula, but causes the "unwinding" from the second level onwards. Also there is absolutely no problem with having a line composed entirely of colons or asterisks, as the Wikimedia software ignores them and many editors use that to separate their post from the one above in the wikitext while having no effect on the rendered html. --RexxS (talk) 16:40, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@RexxS: Ah, you're right, I misread something in the main MOS guideline about lists. The essay presents lots of technical details about HTML and other things that I think will bewilder non-technical editors, so I was trying to distill it into practical rules and contextually imply what accessibility is.

Ever since I started using MediaWiki back in the aughts I've been astounded and confounded by the choice to use semantic-type <dl><dd></dd></dl> markup for this stuff. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 17:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

...oh, wait, duh—non-technical editors are probably using one of the visual editors anyways and there's no use in trying to explain anything about colons or asterisks to them. ::facepalm:: I give up ▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 18:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

The misuse of definition lists to create indents dates back to the 1990s when designers were just looking for a simple means of indenting text, long before CSS, semantic markup and screen readers were considered. Sadly, the early implementations of the MediaWiki software used the same trick and it became so ingrained that we've never been able to kick the habit on Wikipedia. One day, maybe ... --RexxS (talk) 22:20, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

​I was actually a software engineer working on web-based systems at that time, back in the ol' nineteen-hunnerts... CSS1 was a W3C recommendation in 1996 and already partly implemented in IE3 that year, with adjustable margins and padding for paragraphs, plus there were XSLT stylesheets too by 1998. But development on MediaWiki doesn't seem to have started until 2001. Very short-sighted. Alas, I weep, for the majestic and splendid commenting systems that might have been.

But they've accomplished so much, I can't really complain. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 23:30, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Righteous

<insert Barnstar of Justice here>--Jorm (talk) 01:49, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Amen. --JBL (talk) 14:59, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

2020 United States racial unrest ‎

Hello Struthios, I noticed you reverted my edit to the 2020 United States racial unrest article. Honestly, after reviewing it again, I concur with your decision, as removing it was hasty and premature. If you wish to expand it, however, I'd like to support you, but unfortunately am too busy to really do so. However, I am planning on copyediting the section (pretty much to remove some flowery language and add some more references to the 'citation needed' areas). This is just to let you know, since you raised the possibility of expanding the section, which again I'd like to do if not for the (unfortunate) lack of time. Adios, Freezingwedge (talk) 18:00, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Jimbo's talkpage

The pseudo-medical commentary needs to stop. Acroterion (talk) 21:48, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

​No problem—I shan't continue even if the feigned medical problem does. --‿Ꞅtruthious 𝔹andersnatch ͡ |℡| 21:50, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

No, you shan't, not even here. Acroterion (talk)

thanks for your feedback

thanks for your positive feedback, at the user page for Jimmy Wales. you are welcome to add any comments you may wish. by the way, i have already gleaned a valuable item, just by coming here to your page. i will add the 2020 article on racial unrest in the US to the navbox. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 15:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Your Opinion?

The Point I wanted to make was nicely explained in your revision wording. The ADL Board are the SOLE body deciding what is viewed, by the NGO, as "Hate" or Extremists. Just because you feel it represents xenophobia etc. doesn't remove the fact it is an arbitrary process and without appeals. Kinda like this Article!

1. 4thEstate #OGAmendmentOneDefense PVHenry 06:10, 26 October 2020 (UTC)