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The Robert "Bob" J. Giuda censorship brouhaha

Hi there. Interesting stuff over there, isn't it... Just thought I'd give you a heads-up on what Ligurianbeauty is up to now - see edit on my talk page. Same passive-aggressive style, same habit of not signing comments, same agenda, except now it's meta-discussion. Smells like meatpuppetry on behalf of a politician's campaign staff to me (if not outright sockpuppetry, but I don't think it's worth wasting a CheckUser as of yet.) Thought you might be interested. See you! Moocha (talk) 19:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. Certainly if not sockpuppetry, then meatpuppetry. Thanks for helping out with it all. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 00:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you. Yes, it does appear to me that one of the users was engaged in promotional activities and created sockpuppets. I tried to deal with similar problems in the past, but this earned me a serious topic ban. Now I do not really care. If you see an activist, let him keep his pet projects. Otherwise, he will be very angry. Sorry.Biophys (talk) 05:06, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Link to archive

You wrote, "I'm not clear on how to create links that survive the talk page getting archived, so if there's a way to do that I'd appreciate it if someone could give me a quick explanation"[1]

You cannot make such links, really; it's always a problem.

Commonly, I might link to something on AN - e.g. (random example) Wikipedia:AN#Any admins fluent in Italian?.

However, obviously that will be archived in a few days - so the link will fail; it'll then take the user to the top of AN, as would e.g. (random example of something that was on AN until a few days ago, but is now archived) WP:AN# Some one please close this AfD.

So - if the person realised that the section had vanished, they could look in the archive - in the case of AN, could use the handy search box at the top - if they put " Some one please close this AfD" in there, they'd get this, and find it.

So, the answer to your specific question; the best you could do is simply link to the currently-active talk page and section, ie;

Wikipedia talk:Pending_changes/Request_for_Comment_February_2011#We should be so liberal handing out the reviewer flag that we end up giving it to vandals

(which, incidentally, also demonstrates why it is a good idea to use shorter section titles )

And when it gets archived, either a) hope people will be able to figure it out, or b) edit the link to update it.

Sorry, there's no magic answer. Various ideas have been purported from time-to-time, but dealing with that specific problem has not been resolved, to date.

HTH,  Chzz  ►  20:50, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Sig

Incidentally, the two characters around your signature, ie "❨" ("MEDIUM LEFT PARENTHESIS ORNAMENT"¹) and "❩" (ditto, but "right") do not display on my screen. I suspect that is true for most readers; unless they've got some certain font installed. The "Ṩ" and "ℬ" works for me though.  Chzz  ►  22:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for those notes! And thank you for pointing that out about the Unicode characters in my sig; it was my expectation, years ago when I added it, that it wouldn't show up for many people, but I have always been content to let the rest of the world catch up to me.  ;^) If I recall correctly, the free DejaVu fonts are one of the ones that contains those glyphs, if you want to be able to see them. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 01:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough; it's no big deal, really. To me, it looks like this. I just thought you might wanna change it to something that displays on more - e.g. ⟪this⟫.  Chzz  ►  01:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Nah; like I said, I'm content to let people fix their own computers or I suppose that they'll eventually upgrade to an operating system that has a more complete set of fonts. But thanks for the suggestion, though! --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 01:45, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure - no bother :-) Each to his/her own, and all that. Best,  Chzz  ►  02:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

P.S. I love the "at age 99" image on your user page. :^) --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 02:10, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Administrator intervention against vandalism

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I would like to point out that it is simple common courtesy to notify an editor if you have concerns with their editing before reporting them for administrator intervention, and furthermore to notify them if you choose to do so. TallNapoleon (talk) 19:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

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Henry Petzal

Struthious,

My name is Christopher Pryor. The name on my birth certificate is Christopher Petzal -- my father Arthur Petzal changed our last name when I was a baby. His father was Henry Petzal.

My father found the Wikipedia entry you wrote about my grandfather and passed it on to me. My grandfather would have been 105 this year, and his contemporaries are to my knowledge all passed on. He was not exactly someone you would have called a social butterfly, and we're curious to know who would have known him closely enough that they'd be motivated to take the time to write a Wikipedia entry about him.

If I may ask: how are you connected to my grandfather? Are you associated with the Mingei? What moved you to write an article about him?

If you like, you can contact me at crisp.thoughts@gmail.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgpryor (talk • contribs) 19:56, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh and BTW, I love your screen name.

Cheers and thanks,

Cgpryor (talk) 19:37, 25 September 2011 (UTC) Christopher Pryor

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Thanks. Open Core confused me.

The whole concept of Open Core confused me. This has been a good mental exercise for me. Thanks. Good edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.232.238 (talk) 03:57, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the support!

Thanks for your support to keep the article Azhagi (Software) on the deletion Discussion Page. -- Dineshkumar Ponnusamy ^Discuss10:49, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Speedy keeps

You might want to review WP:SPEEDYKEEP before recommending it for any more inappropriate AfDs. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:40, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I do think that initiating an AfD process for a topic with hundreds or thousands of Google News or Google Books hits (especially without even discussing those hits in the deletion rationale) is an egregious failure to perform due diligence and could pretty easily qualify as a frivolous use of the system, but it's definitely important that "frivolous or vexatious nominations" are a low-level bullet point in the guidelines for applicability. I wouldn't want to derail a discussion with a dispute over particulars concerning just how egregious a particular nomination is, so I will probably just use "Keep" more frequently in the future. --≜∮truthious ᛔandersnatch≜ 19:09, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

When there are as few as 100 GNews hits, it's fairly easily to evaluate their quality. When a large percentage are quoting spokespeople, rather than talking about the group, that's a bad sign. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:50, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Not that bad a sign - indeed, not a bad sign at all - when all we're looking for is coverage in reliable sources. The fact that however many dozen publications and journalists (and, y'know, the occasional Congresscritter) think it's important to report to the public the statements of the group's spokesperson, because he's the group's spokesperson, is indicative that they think the group is notable. At the very least the fact that so many sources see fit to comment on the topic of an article is a fact that should be noted in asserting that the article should be deleted for notability reasons. Look - it's not such a bad thing that you made this nomination without accounting for all those sources, but it's the sort of situation where you have to expect "seriously?"-type responses. I'm sure that you did it in good faith, in any case. --≜∮truthious ᛔandersnatch≜ 20:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Doghouse Diaries Deletion

Although the article has been deleted, I wasn't able to get any response for my last edit, which includes another reference from webmagazine, MakeUseOf. I agree some of these webmagazines I have never heard of, but that doesn't really qualify them to be unreliable sources. For example MakeUseOf, has a full editorial board, and not just from the magazine, but also from its wiki entry it seems like a reliable web magazine. In any case, this was my final comment, if because of this you change your mind, please let me know what I could do.

I have added yet another reference which puts doghouse diaries in the list of Top 8 web comics. This was in the web-magazineMakeUseOf, an independent media magazine, with an independent editorial board. MakeUseOf, Mashable and Gizmodo, each of them have covered Doghouse Diaries well enough to qualify it to be notable. The objection however could be as to whether the above sources are reliable or not. Here are my points why they could be considered reliable

• They are not related to Doghouse Diaries, nor does it seem that they are trying to unfairly promote Doghouse Diaries.
• They have editorial system, for which I refer to their corresponding wiki articles, for example the editorial for MakeUseOf is Editorial staff. Each one of them has an Editor-in-chief and so on.

The clarity of this discussion would be enhanced if the other wiki editors could cite the reason why they think the above references cannot be taken as reliable. Points like Mashable is a trivial source, is a trivial argument.Shashi B Jain (talk) 08:58, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I would agree that the MakeUseOf does look more established than the others, but a countervailing point is that, like I said top qualitative x lists of things aren't the sort of things that impress Wikipedians generally, and like the Mashable list this wasn't even a top list - this is "8 Awesome Webcomics You Don’t Want To Miss." Unfortunately, the battle was already lost at that point with so many delete votes, and as the odds looked bad to me that I could come up with a workable argument against that many other editors. So I'm sorry but I couldn't muster up the enthusiasm to plunge back into the argument. There are guidelines and policies out there which advise on the selection of reliable sources that might have contained some useful technicality but I didn't have the stamina to pore over them.

The problem, I'm sure you can see, is that the closing admin's outcome is supposed to be based on the consensus arrived on in the thread. You either have to be able to persuade editors who are on the fence or demonstrate that those in favor of deletion are using invalid arguments, and even in the latter case it's not guaranteed, some personal bias on the part of the closing admin or unwillingness to read deeply into the discussion and sources can result in a disfavorable conclusion.

If you really want to keep working on this, I think your best bet would be to bide your time and wait for better sources to appear out on the net, maybe even promote them being created on your own. Alternatively, you could stick with what you've got, polish up your content and come up with the most orthodox arguments you can to prove notability based upon the sources you've got (maybe find some evidence of the same sources establishing notability in other AfDs?) and then propose a deletion review and slog through the argument doing your best to persuade there.

Either way, if you didn't make a copy into user space you should get one by asking the closing admin to "Userfy" it for you. Then you've got it to work on for whatever your next step is. You might also move it into an Wikipedia:Article Incubator, essentially requesting help and attention from other editors who might speak favorably in future discussions.

You should also ask the Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Webcomics work group guys, they may have their own incubator to recommend as well as other advice. --▸∮truthious ᛔandersnatch◂ 10:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know the options. I did realize that decisions on wiki are democratic in nature, rather than based on analysis of facts, seeing the idea behind the guidelines etc. I also agree that such a system is the best, maybe little political, egoistic and so on, but in absence of any better choice, I think it's the best. I could see there were some editors who were fixated by their choice, for example 'I was right when I nominated it for speedy deletion'. There was also lack of effort to help improve the article, which also I guess is fine as I could imagine editors are over worked. I think its lot easier to read wiki, than attempt to edit it, which on closer inspection looks like a replication of an immensely bureaucratic organization, like 'The Castle' by Kafka. But in all of this I thank you, as you were patient enough, and were ready to see through some of my arguments. Shashi B Jain (talk) 15:23, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Although I still can't believe I didn't exploit the democratic setting of wikipedia. Shashi B Jain (talk) 16:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

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About deletion

Hi. I read your entry on my closed editor review, and wanted to pose a question - if we all, as you suggested, spent all our time on creating content, then who would enforce policies such as WP:N and WP:OR, and guidelines such as WP:SPAM and and WP:NOT? I understand what you said about deletion and that you have a low opinion of people who work in this area, but can't you at least entertain the idea that it is actually a critically important part of building this encyclopaedia? Lest we end up with a glorified 4chan.

Deletion is not easy. It may be quick, sometimes, just as content creation can be, and it may be easy on occasion, as content creation can be, but generally speaking it is not easy. It involves making difficult decisions and enduring hostile, often irrational opposition and criticism. To be completely honest, I don't find your blanket opposition to the idea of deletion helpful in an editor review. If you wish to criticise the manner in which I participate in the deletion process, as you did at the AfD, then please do; it is constructive. Simply telling everyone who participates in deletion, however, isn't going to make the process any more effective or efficient. If a demolition engineer asked you for feedback, you wouldn't tell him to become a better architect.

I don't consider myself a deletionist. It's true that I participate in a lot of deletion work but I would say my threshold for inclusion is lower than most. In addition, my content creations may be few, but they do exist. In future, if you wish to give me, or anyone else for that matter, negative feedback, I would prefer if you did it in a way which helped me to improve, rather than telling me in a round-about way to give up and get lost. If you have any helpful suggestions, I'm always open to them. Regards Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 21:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about having added to a closed review, I had misread the note on your talk page and thought that your editor review was due to be closed on the 26th of this month, rather than last month - I didn't realize that review pages don't get closure notices placed on them like AfDs do.

I didn't tell you to get lost, and explicitly said that I hadn't seen what I was describing in your editing history; to quote myself, "you ought to put a fair percentage of your time into creating content to Wikipedia standards if you are also going to be spending lots of effort evaluating and deleting the work of others." Fully conditional and not under any reading saying you must spend all your time creating content - by all means devote yourself to trimming policy-violating material out of the encyclopedia, but I personally think it's a bad thing when people who are focused on deleting others' work always have the time to improve an article or the encyclopedia overall by deleting a bunch of stuff, but never seem to have enough time to work similar improvements by preserving others' material and spending a few minutes or hours doing research and writing. The tendency in the project to judge editors' efforts by the number of edits the system has recorded reinforces bad habits like that, so I think it's important to say these things out loud at every opportunity.

If you would like me to make a further comment in the review re-emphasizing that this was advice responding to your stated goals and interests in the project rather than the result of a thorough evaluation of your editing history, I'd be entirely willing to.

Actually carrying out guidelines and policies via deletion is certainly important, but creating AfDs under false pretenses (or at least pretenses that can be seen as false if any effort is spent actually researching the topic, such as the AfD we interacted over where three sentences of information clearly not novel at all and published elsewhere were nominated as original research), then dropping the original nominating rationale when it is challenged and tossing out any alternative rationale that can be found is in my experience an indicator that the nominator has gone beyond concerns about policy and are in the realm of pursuing deletions to suit their own personal preferences about article length, importance of topics, and other frequently cosmetic things.

This is an extremely asymmetrical struggle because something that can take hours of effort in tracking down sources and composing prose can be deleted in the flick of the wrist. The policies are there for good reasons and it shouldn't be taken lightly when they or Wikipedia processes are being used as a smoke screen for some editors to just get their own way. It shouldn't be easy or painless to eliminate from the encyclopedia material that isn't violating policy and simply does not agree with some editor's taste. (Though unfortunately, for all but the most closely-watched articles, it usually is pretty easy and painless.) --▸∮truthious ᛔandersnatch◂ 16:37, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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Pronunciation of New Hampshire

Hi,

Per your argument that "it does not make any sense to illustrate the pronunciation that someone unfamiliar with a place name would guess", we shouldn't have the pronunciation here, since it's just "new" plus "hampshire" and thus trivial to guess. I actually don't have a problem with keeping the pronunciation, but we have a user edit warring over the wrong pronunciation (that of "noo hampshire"). Since it isn't really needed, I figured deletion was better than that ridiculous edit war. However, if you're willing to protect the general English pronunciation, in keeping with the thousands of other articles with pronunciations that follow WP:PRON (that is, as "new hampshire"), I'd be happy to revert myself. — kwami (talk) 02:31, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

(Moved discussion to the article's talk page. ▸∮truthious ᛔandersnatch◂ 04:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC))

FYI, local accents do not affect the pronunciation of the state's name, as you put it in your edit summary. They are just the local pronunciation. Outsiders may or may not accommodate the local pronunciation, but either way that is what we put in our articles unless we specify differently. The contrary argument is like arguing that Paris is pronounced "pair-REE" or that Mexico is pronounced "MAY-hee-koh". — kwami (talk) 07:01, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

You obviously, completely intentionally refrained from mentioning anything about local pronunciation as you began participating in what you yourself refer to as an edit war over how to document the prounciation of the "New" syllable in these state names and you tried to segregate the discussion of this to my personal talk page rather than the article talk despite the fact that you'd previously tried to make the same changes to the New Hampshire article and been reverted for the same reasons, which I do not at all believe were unknown to you.

Splitting hairs about "miscorrection" and whether or not accents affect pronunciation are not measures that are going to convince me of good faith or professionalism on your part or that this has been anything other than an exercise in self-aggrandization and reveling in getting to push other people around by citing guidelines. ▸∮truthious ᛔandersnatch◂ 17:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

No, this is about consistency across the encyclopedia against people who want to create their own little walled gardens, where readers from other countries are not welcome. I don't care which nationalism you're pushing, none of it is appropriate. — kwami (talk) 00:51, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, please. Correctly documenting how place names are pronounced is not any form of nationalism, in fact if anything trying to replace the actual pronunciation of place names with some Britain-centered "general" pronunciation that is undoubtedly not actually calculated from the average pronunciation of speakers of English in the 21st century as a global lingua franca is nationalism. Sorry, but that does nothing to justify or distract from your deceptive interaction with other editors.

It did not entirely escape my attention that you've made more than half of all of the edits in the last several years to the guideline that you've been trying to pass off as "consensus" without mentioning how much of it is your handiwork. Writing the rules yourself and then trying to insist they're the only standard your behavior can be judged with is just about the oldest trick in the book. ▸∮truthious ᛔandersnatch◂ 20:48, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Demanding that other nations follow yours, as by pushing a pronunciation that is incorrect for them because it's correct for you, certainly is nationalistic. Britain-centered? Nationalist Brits complain that it's American-centered. It was a linguistically based *compromise*, designed so that it would be unambiguous for both GA and RP. But I'm sure some day you'll be able to convince those silly English to give up their accents and speak proper American. Maybe we can get them to give up the metric system too. — kwami (talk) 03:45, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

As I've said elsewhere, the fact that you are unable to even acknowledge that the actual way the inhabitants of a place pronounce that place's name is at the very least one correct pronunciation among several demonstrates how completely ridiculous your position is and that there's no way it actually is the consensus among Wikipedia editors.

It is indeed the case that the people living in India or England or Wales or Canada or Kenya or Singapore or New Zealand or Jamaica, and in the United States, should be followed in pronouncing the names of the places they live in because they are each authorities on those things. The fact that you're trying to portray it as making you a victim of some sort of imperialism and somehow overriding the way you want to speak English if those pronunciations are actually documented in Wikipedia articles is just further evidence of how replete with deception and misdirection your efforts to "correct" these articles have been. ▸∮truthious ᛔandersnatch◂ 18:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Which several pronunciations? AFAICT, there is only one pronunciation, assuming you account for the accent of the speaker, which we explicitly do here on WP. We don't need to teach New Hampshirites their own accent, and we have no business telling others to adopt a New Hampshirite accent. The fact that you don't seem able to understand that, and attribute your lack of understanding to deception on my part, is just sad. — kwami (talk) 22:47, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

You present your own "correct" pronunciation and also refer to "a pronunciation that is incorrect". So there are at least two pronunciations according to the way that you yourself are using the term. You would appear to be having difficulty understanding yourself.

If documenting a way to pronounce a name were "telling others to adopt an accent" then you of course would be doing exactly the same thing you're claiming is so sad. But these other shenanigans - trying to pretend there's no difference between description and prescription so that you can further pretend that you are being victimized by nationalism because someone is disagreeing with you, or trying to trick people into thinking that your personal preferences are an unquestionable gestalt authority out of fear that your personal authority or command of the subject will be inadequate to get your way in the matter - pretty well trump any sadness that could be portrayed through a purported misunderstanding of linguistics so I can appreciate why you feel the necessity to scrape around and contrive a way to accuse others of a paucity of character. I don't think you're going to get the sort of acknowledgement you feel you need by coming back here to my talk page again and again, though. ▸∮truthious ᛔandersnatch◂ 02:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Of course I'm not going to get any acknowledgement from you, since you have no interest in understanding the transcription used on WP. But I do find it amazing that you're accusing me of trying to "trick" people when I say that the word "new" in "New Hampshire" is pronounced "new". Not that we have a misunderstanding, no: that I've hatched an evil plot to change the name from "New Hampshire" to "New Hampshire". — kwami (talk) 04:48, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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I am not sure importing Wikidata directly to DEFAULTSORT works. Is there any indication in the Manual of Style of this? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:03, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

As a surname is not always the sort value. Wikidata should not be used in defaultsorts. Also per Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikidata Phase 2, Wikidata can only be used in infoboxes and not in the article. Bgwhite (talk) 22:41, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure that the linked RFC discussion actually has the consequence of, or even represents consensus about, banning the use of Wikidata outside of infoboxes; it would be put into a policy if that were true. In any case, though, the concerns behind Magioladitis' edits to Thomas Dreier seem reasonable; thank you for explaining your rationale. ▸∮truthious ᛔandersnatch◂ 18:53, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Yea, documentation on how Wikidata things "should" work is sparse. Interwiki links are pretty well explained, but that is about the only thing. RFCs are how consensus gets decided, but I also agree with your rationale. The RFC is linked from Wikipedia:Wikidata and it "describes communal consensus". So, I wouldn't be adding wikidata links to the body of the article. I wish "they" would make up their mind and either use Wikidata or not, but not the endless holding pattern we are currently in. If Wikdata is to be used, have a bot put the Wikidata properties in Infoboxes and remove persondata. Sigh... Bgwhite (talk) 21:21, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

If it's any consolation, having worked on developing similar software myself it makes sense to me that it's slow going. I think that taking things slowly and seeing what happens as people experiment with integrating Wikidata and Wikipedia, especially with the advent of the visual editor option and templatedata and all that, is definitely the way to go. Until there's a more polished inclusion syntax I don't think there should be any en masse bot-driven embedding of inline Wikidata but simple use of the #property parser function to drop property values into a page from the corresponding Wikidata node is something it'll be pretty straightforward to do a find-and-replace on at some point in the future when there's an improved syntax or a specific policy. ▸∮truthious ᛔandersnatch◂ 01:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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The guidelines for the notability of books have changed since I created that article, such that presence in major libraries is no longer satisfies the criteria, so I do not object to it being deleted and I've said so on its talk page. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 20:34, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for reaching out about my recent edit, appreciate it. I restored the quote instead in a note format and placed it there at the end of that particular paragraph where he made that statement (in the Ideology section). To explain my reasoning for removing it in the first place - was because that reference was being used multiple times inline and usually when someone puts a quote in there like that, it's to support something specific they've said, as you noted, that "inflammatory statement". But the quote may not be needed to support the other instances where it's used inline. I hope this is satisfactory, please take a look and let me know. Thanks. Isaidnoway (talk) 05:33, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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