Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 20

December 20

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 20, 2024.

Blunt weapon

Blunt weapon → Blunt instrument (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It's starting to look like blunt instrument may become a redirect. Either way, a blunt weapon is not the same as a blunt instrument. IMO, it should either redirect to weapon and be mentioned somewhere, or be deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for the fate of the current target article and do the same. While I agree that "weapon" and instrument" are not the same ("weapon" means intended use while "instrument" in this context means occasional use), their usage and consequences thereof are the same and splitting hairs would be reasonable only in presence of RS. Ny presefence would be redirectr to blunt trauma --Altenmann >talk 18:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Melee weapon

Melee weapon → Weapon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This page was apparently deleted, so I'm not even sure why it remains a redirect. But that said, it being a redirect raises issues about its target, which is vague and could be weapon, melee, or even Role-playing game terms (since it's almost entirely a term used in gaming, not real life). I'd personally rather just see it deleted entirely and the search function being able to be used, but my second choice would be the glossary of RPG terms. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

N00b

N00b → Newbie (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I thought of retargeting this redirect to Leet#n00b, but i think it's best to ask for consensus first before doing so. You have two choices: either keep this redirect as it is now, or retarget it to Leet#n00b as i wanted. This redirect should not be deleted. 67.209.128.30 (talk) 08:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you can't tell me what to do, i vote to retarget to my talk page!!

just kidding, retarget to leet#n00b, even though the section should be called (v)<><>)3 cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this is not a related term, it is the same term. I don't se why synonyms should be pointed elsewhere. And this stylization already appears in the target article. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget it to Leet#n00b, which is where the relevant content is located. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per nom, where it's used as a specific example with specific content about the alternate spelling, at which point, someone can always follow the link to the more general topic if so inclined. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:00, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget yes, it should be retargeted per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There's nothing at Leet#n00b that isn't at the more comprehensive article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Current target is significantly more comprehensive, and expressly covers this spelling, along with a piped link to the Leet#n00b section anyway, so we aren't hiding it by keeping the current target. Fieari (talk) 00:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per 35.139.154.158, most relevant target for the stylization. For alternate spellings or stylizations, readers are already hatnoted to the generic article. Jay 💬 12:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:48, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep. The current target is about certain encyclopedic topic --Altenmann >talk 18:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment retargetting to Leet in pointless because it says nothing encyclopedic beyond being a dicdef for newbie in a certain slang. --Altenmann >talk 18:33, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yemen-Taizz

Yemen-Taizz → Kingdom of Yemen (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Taizz is not mentioned in Kingdom of Yemen, its current target. Taiz is a city in Yemen. This can be deleted due to ambiguity. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Taizz is just an alternative spelling of Taiz, which was the capital of the kingdom. Pescavelho (talk) 16:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sapcex drone ship

Sapcex drone ship → Autonomous spaceport drone ship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No more useful than Sapcex would be, let alone its properly-spelt counterpart. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 14:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Kyrgyzstan

Portal:Kyrgyzstan → Asia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not helpful to send readers to a page or portal which has little or no information about the topic Fram (talk) 12:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete as inappropiate WP:XNR User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:09, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not helpful as a redirect. If it would be helpful as a portal WP:RED applies, if it's not helpful as a portal it shouldn't exist. CMD (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI @Chipmunkdavis, the correct shortcut would be WP:RETURNTORED, WP:RED talks about redlinks in general whereas RETURNTORED is actually about redirects becoming redlinks due to the possibility of it being an article User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 14:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, missed that specific. I hope the argument is still understandable. CMD (talk) 15:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It is WP:ASTONISHing to send readers to a non-portal page. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Bhutan

Portal:Bhutan → Portal:Asia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not helpful to send readers to a portal which has no information about the topic Fram (talk) 12:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not helpful as a redirect. If it would be helpful as a portal WP:RED applies, if it's not helpful as a portal it shouldn't exist. CMD (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all portal RfD nominations below. I agree with nom and WP:RETURNTORED applies here. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Kazakhstan

Portal:Kazakhstan → Portal:Asia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not helpful for readers to get sent to a portal about a whole continent, which doesn't have information about Kazakhstan Fram (talk) 11:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not helpful as a redirect. If it would be helpful as a portal WP:RED applies, if it's not helpful as a portal it shouldn't exist. CMD (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Armenia

Portal:Armenia → Portal:Europe (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect to target which has no information about Armenia usually, not helpful for readers. Fram (talk) 11:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not helpful as a redirect. If it would be helpful as a portal WP:RED applies, if it's not helpful as a portal it shouldn't exist. CMD (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Albania

Portal:Albania → Portal:Europe (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 15 § Portal:Albania – delete

Seems useless to redirect people who look for a portal for Albania, to a portal for the whole of Europe which will usually have nothing at all about Albania. Fram (talk) 11:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Listed the earlier RfD. I could have tagged this for WP:G4 but would prefer to go for a full term as the last RfD outcome was a delete without participation. Jay 💬 12:32, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not helpful as a redirect. If it would be helpful as a portal WP:RED applies, if it's not helpful as a portal it shouldn't exist. CMD (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Virus Barrier

Virus Barrier → Intego#Products (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This was actually mentioned (NOT NOMINATED) in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_20#VirusBarrier as an incorrect redirect, but no one has nominated this specific redirect again since then so I might as well.

Nominate for the reasons described over there, "[..] incorrect and doesn't appear to be used at all [..]" User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 10:25, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maria, Hilfe der Christen

Maria, Hilfe der Christen → Mary, Help of Christians (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect from the title in German, but the target doesn't seem to have anything to do with the country or language. Delete per WP:RLANG. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This link is from Church of the Assumption (Saint Paul, Minnesota), which was built by German immigrants with a Marian shrine dedicated to her title as Maria, Hilfe der Christen. I made a redirect it to the English article to help readers make the connection. Why delete that? NeroSpicy (talk) 23:36, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 16:16, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep unless incoming link is first updated. As it stands, it's a bit Easter-eggy. Might be better to modify the text to Maria-Hilf ([[Mary, Help of Christians]]) or just use the English term. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ‡ ^edits 08:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's vomit on his sweater already

There's vomit on his sweater already → Lose Yourself (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unlike "snap back to reality", this is a much less common line in this song that people are most likely not going to be searching for. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's still a pretty well known lyric, especially since it's before "mom's spaghetti". CheeseyHead (talk) 07:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. Yeah, I did not know that. (Can you tell I'm not an Eminem fan? :P) Withdrawn Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete as not the big notable part of the meme. there's spaghetti on his spaghetti alretti cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Knees weak arms spaghetti CheeseyHead (talk) 16:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep instead cause the meme. gtp (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Harmless, plausible, potentially useful navigational aid, completely unambiguous target. Fieari (talk) 07:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hallelujah night

Hallelujah night → Guadalcanal campaign (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, but is a term used in a least one book (Guadalcanal: The Definitive Account). However, Google results are all associated with a Christian alternative to Halloween, and the only use of the term on enwiki is in a reference at Halloween. Not sure what's best here, but the status quo is likely astonishing to at least some searchers. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It is an obscure reference compared with others with no actual context in the targeted article. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The term is singular lower-case of Hallelujah Nights. LIrala (talk) 01:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as ambiguous with no one correct target, and only one occurence in Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate - We have an attested, cited use of the term in a book for this target. I definitely have heard of the renaming of Halloween in churches, that seems very widespread. The song linked by LIrala above is a good match as well. I think this is worthy of a disambiguation page with at least these three targets. Fieari (talk) 01:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate with at least Halloween, Guadalcanal campaign (the current target) and Hallelujah Nights Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- A disambiguation page could not be formed because of MOS:DABMENTION. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I have added mention to Halloween. Jay 💬 10:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ‡ ^edits 06:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

9/28/2022

9/28/2022 → Hurricane Ian (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The redirect seems inappropriate as there is more than one major events occurred on that date, not just Hurricane Ian A1Cafel (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a single-day event. Hurricane Ian raged on both before and after this date. Just because it was the most important doesn't give it quite the case for a redirect. Delete. Departure– (talk) 15:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and Departure–. Redirect seems implicitly biased; this is not Floridapedia. Carguychris (talk) 16:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 28, 2022

September 28, 2022 → Hurricane Ian (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The redirect seems inappropriate as there is more than one major events occurred on that date, not just Hurricane Ian A1Cafel (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Redirect seems implicitly biased; Hurricane Ian was a multi-day event that affected different regions at different times, and this is not Floridapedia. Carguychris (talk) 16:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tradiční Lovecký salám

Tradiční Lovecký salám → Salami (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

lovecký salám (hunting salami, apparently) is mentioned in the article, but not necessarily its "traditional" variant. has incoming links, but their classification as traditional seems to be unsourced and not necessarily correct cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

should mention that lovecký salám already exists, so the links could easily be fixed, if any fixing needs to be done cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lovecký salám was applied for as a EU Traditional Speciality Guaranteed-product (TSG). That means that -in order to use the name- all products in the EU have to be produced according to the specs provided in the application. following opposition, the name Tradiční Lovecký salám was accepted as a TSG (see here). That means that one can use the name Lovecký salám without regards to what the product looks like, but Tradiční Lovecký salám is subject to the characteristics in the description. The name is therefore worth a redirect as people may be interested and this is the closest page we can offer. Having said that, the current characterisation of Lovecký salám as a TSG i incorrect; and I will change that. An alternative is redirecting to List of traditional specialities guaranteed by country, but for me that feels too generic... L.tak (talk) 09:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

L.tak has provided a lot of useful information~~, but that should have been in the article. Delete per nom, if the target doesn't say what the redirect term is~~. Jay 💬 20:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep per L.tak's changes. Thanks.~~ Jay 💬 07:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

corrected the page now in line with what I stated. Thanks for bringing the oversight to my attention. L.tak (talk) 22:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Was going to close as Keep, but it appears @L.tak's changes have been removed. Relisting to see if it should still be kept without these changes, or if they could be re-introduced.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SmittenGalaxy | talk! 03:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Struck my keep. JacktheBrown removed the change as it was not a wikilink. Jay 💬 06:41, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Execution of Mary, Queen of Scots

Draft:Execution of Mary, Queen of Scots → Execution of Mary, Queen of Scots (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I think this redirect can be deleted under the G6 criteria for maintenance, since it can never serve as a plausible link to the target page. Will be looking forward to the community's input. Keivan.f^Talk 03:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:RDRAFT. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 12:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kind Mr. Seon Ju

Kind Mr. Seon Ju → List of programs broadcast by MBC TV (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target and the literal title of the Korean drama is Kind Mrs. Seonju as the lead character is a female (see Desperate Mrs. Seonju). 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 00:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. "Ssi" (씨) can roughly translates to "Mr.", "Mrs.", or "Ms.". But the character is a female so it can either be Mrs. or Ms./Miss. Aidillia^(talk) 00:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]