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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Further comments have not changed consensus. Kurykh (talk) 02:46, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Zoran Terzić

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This is another Sander.v.Ginkel article moved out of draft space. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Terzic was the coach not an athlete so he fails WP:NOLY, too. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:01, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:01, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:01, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Yugoslavia-related deletion discussions. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:01, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No such user Yes I read the Deletion Policy, for kicks. Welcome to AfDs. The article is basically a stub. If its expanded, I'll vote it keep.L3X1 My Complaint Desk 12:25, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
L3X1 I don't see "being a stub" listed under any of 14 criteria of WP:DEL-REASON. Category:All stub articles currently has 2,023,704 articles – do you propose deleting them all? As to the nominator's reasons, among other achievements the subject has won a silver medal at the Olympics as a coach, fulfilling WP:ANYBIO criterion of [having] made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field., and with few thousand news hits over a 20-year long career span as a coach {FIVB}, including full-length interviews in Politika, and shorter mentions in ESPN or USA Today. No such user (talk) 12:47, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No such user I use Delreason as a general policy, not an exact. I think when I delete, not outsource it to a broad policy. I'm not a deletionist. As for stubs, I am okay with stubs existing. I am more comfortable deleting an article with 30 words than 30,000 bytes. And as far as I can tell, coaches don't get medals from the IOC. [1] L3X1 My Complaint Desk 13:59, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ https://www.bustle.com/articles/175844-do-olympic-coaches-get-medals-the-rio-olympics-coaches-might-come-home-empty-handed
Whether they get that piece of metal is irrelevant: what they get as a result is achievement and notability, which translates to a Wikipedia article. And it's not that Terzić wasn't notable even without that particular medal. And you're supposed to argue on an Afd on the basis of an established policy, not on a policy as you'd like it to be. No such user (talk) 14:05, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@No such user: I disagree. WP:NOLY (as well as everything else under NATHLETE) does not include coaches. Maybe you think it should. I recommend you raise that issue at the applicable talk page rather than argue it here. Had Terzic been an athlete I would not have nominated this article. I'm applying the rules as they read now, not as some would prefer them to read. You could accomplish more writing an essay arguing that coaches deserve the same notability their athletes do and cite that. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:43, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Whether the get that piece of metal is irrelevant nope. You said he got a medal. I said and cited that coaches receive nothing from the IOC. L3X1 My Complaint Desk 15:08, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Chris troutman: WP:NOLY is a complete red herring. This is the first time I heard about that SNG and I haven't mentioned it in this debate at all. By your line of thought, we should delete Bill Belichick – he fails WP:NOLY as well, never competing nor coaching at the Olympics. My point is that just like Belichick, Terzić fulfills WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO with flying colors, a fact that you could have simply discovered WP:BEFORE wasting our collective time with this nomination. And even for a literalist worldview, WP:NSPORT itself mentions word "coach" 32 times, including (in the WP:NTRACK) section Coaches that have coached many notable athletes, including at least one (non-relay) Olympic medalist,... – surely that ought to apply to a medalist *team* coach as well? <sarcasm>Or do we have to specifically add a section on Volleyball to carry the point across?</sarcasm> No such user (talk) 16:15, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@No such user: NOLY is part of NSPORT and that's a guideline so I assume you mean that the word coach should be found there even though it's not. You ask "do we have to specifically add a section on Volleyball to carry the point across" and I reply yes. The guideline says what it says. If it had said otherwise I wouldn't have nominated it. My nominating articles that result in "keep" hurts my AfD percentage. I'm not making these nominations to be POINTy. I performed research per WP:BEFORE, I (still) find the subject fails GNG and he fails applicable SNGs. (Mere mentions don't carry GNG for me.) I'm not accustomed to checking out an article, finding the subject doesn't strictly meet criteria, and then letting it slide; I'm not an inclusionist. Again, if you don't like the SNG this isn't the place to argue what you want NSPORT to say. I also don't understand this distaste of my apparent "literalist worldview". Silly me, I'm dispassionately applying Wikipedia's consensus impartially but thanks for criticizing me. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:39, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting after initially closing as "keep"; an editor pointed out to me on my talk page that the "keep" opinions appear weakly argued.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein  16:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Sandstein: If anything is weakly argued here, it is the nominator's point. In fact, I find it bizarre to even state that a coach who has won 4 world or continental medals and has thousands articles written and interviews given fails GNG and ANYBIO, that I didn't even consider further engagement with such silly arguments. No such user (talk) 20:10, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
For those of the "literalist worldview": the lead sentence in his interview to Politika, the oldest and most respected Serbian daily, translation mine: About Zoran Terzić (50) one can safely say that he is the "father" of Serbian women's national team, having in mind that he has been at its helm for a decade and a half, but also that he has won one medal per year on average (15 in total), including all World Volleyball Federation events and the European Games in Baku. No such user (talk) 20:45, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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