Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WARx2

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The result was delete. Willing to userfy if someone wants to claim this article. Nakon 01:25, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WARx2

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A previous version of this was snow deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warx2 (2nd nomination). This version makes a claim for a PBS audience choice award, which is not strictly true. It does appear in the list at #24, but there has been an extensive social media campaign and it looks like Wikipedia is a part of it. All other references either go nowhere or are social media. Acroterion (talk) 16:48, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No evidence of notability; lack of third party reliable sources JMHamo (talk) 17:07, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the usual way for a film to be notable is through (professional) critical reviews. It did tie for first in the PBS audience choice thing - see [1] and sort by audience choice - but there is no evidence (i.e. RS coverage) to suggest that is of any importance. If PBS had a critical writeup of the film, that would certainly count for something, but it appears it is just part of their list. On top of that the list ranking seems to be an automated formula and the film's placement comes exclusively form the audience choice vote. The only potentially noteworthy critical review I found is [2], which is certainly not enough by itself. However, I will reserve judgement for now in case other critical reviews turn up. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:27, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the film is apparently slated for theatrical release on April 24, so there is a decent possibility of reviews coming out at that time. As such, it might make sense to put the article in draft space until the end of April top see if anything emerges. (Yes, I know the article can always be restored, but it is much more accessible in draft space and draft space in not indexed by search engines, so there is no harm to it.) --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:33, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have to concur that the award does not appear to be overly notable since I can't really find anything non-primary that discusses the award. By this I mean that other than the PBS page, there really isn't anything out there that says anything about the award other than press releases. I can't entirely see how the voting was done on the audience awards. The thing about the audience award at film festivals is that there's some form of quality control in that it's limited to the people who saw the film. If this is an internet only award, did they open up the voting to anyone who could open an account? Did they have a set audience pick the winner? That can make a huge difference with things of this nature. I'm mostly saying this since (as the admin that closed the prior AfD) there were multiple SPAs that came to the last AfD and at least one person voiced a concern about socking or meating. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:50, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not against the film's being kept and if the award process would pass muster then that would help show notability along with the film review, but given that there were so many concerns about sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry at the prior AfD, it's a reasonable enough concern that this may have been the case with the award if it was decided upon an Internet vote. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:37, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Getting an award for a movie isn't even possible before the release date, unless you are a beast who has the ability to warp or distort time. The Snowager-is awake 02:39, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, the film has been released at film festivals, but not yet in theaters. This is a fairly standard model for indie films, so it is indeed quite possible to win an award before a film is released theatrically. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:35, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm still trying to figure out what the PBS award actually is since this link says that it's essentially a rankings list. They give points to films based on various factors, one of which is whether or not the film won an award. It does not seem to be an actual award in and of itself and is entirely based on the number of wins. For example, Citizenfour won more awards in general, which resulted in it being ranked higher on the main page. However it was only nominated for one audience award at CPH:DOX, so technically it fell lower in the rankings since it did not win. The reason why WARx2 and America are tied at 1 is because they each won one audience award at some film festival. The site does not state where the award is received, but I can find nothing to actually show that this is an actual award that PBS hands out. From what I can gather, this seems to have been shown at some point last year, possibly at a small or indie film festival that doesn't register on IMDb for whatever reason. Just to make sure, though, I am going to email PBS about this. If it is an actual award in and of itself, then it can count towards notability. However if it isn't, which I'm guessing is probably the case, I think that they would probably like to know that someone is trying to say that PBS is handing out awards based on this listing and that they may like to clarify this somewhere on their website. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:13, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nakon 02:34, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Send to Draft space per suggestion of ThaddeusB. It has already missed its March 20, 2015 theatrical release date, and the April 24 date is not for certain either. ThaddeusB is correct, in that if this has a 2015 theatrical release and gets coverage, we can always return it to mainspace. Even with its festival release, this is still a matter of TOO SOON. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 08:25, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have no issue with this being sent to draft space. I wanted to drop in to write that I did hear back from PBS and they said that they did not give out any awards and that the site was just aggregating awards from other locations akin to how Rotten Tomatoes collects reviews. So in other words, there is no PBS award. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:18, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Our company tried unsuccessfully to acquire WARx2 from The Strasson Group, We called PBS to verify the Audience choice Award, The person we spoke to told us that "it was true that WArx2 won this Award"

and the method used was PBS judges decided/ voted although social media popularity was part of the reason it was listed and nominated for the Award and an online screener was sent to PBS, WARx2 tied Dinesh Disouza's America for the top spot. So yes WARx2 won PBS Award, lets put our feelings aside. It's listed on PBS as an award winner, so why would they list it?fifausa — Preceding undated comment added 01:12, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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