Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timothy Ryan Sparks

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The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:52, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Timothy Ryan Sparks

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Fails WP:SOLDIER IMO - Don't see any evidence that he is particularly notable other than receiving the Leftwich tropy. Gbawden (talk) 10:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. WP:SOLDIER is an essay, not a policy nor a guideline. WP:BASIC is a guideline which establishes that:

A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

Sparks has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of him. Therefore, he is notable.

—Ahnoneemoos (talk) 10:57, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What are you multiple, reliable, independent secondary sources? Arguably none of the sources cited on the page are both independent and reliable (all are US Marine publications). The Battle for Marjah may be suitable, if it includes cover specifically of Sparks, but that's still to be demonstrated. --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:59, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Marine Corps Association and the Marine Corps Times are independent private organizations; while they use the name "Marine Corps" in their organization's name they are not part of the United States Marine Corps. These are NOT Marine Corps publications. If you need more reliable sources you can use [1] from News 14 Carolina, [2] from WCTI-TV, and [3] from WNCT-TV. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 20:25, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Marine Corps Association and Marine Corps Times are effectively in-house associations and publications, and are not useful for establishing notability. Nick-D (talk) 10:33, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ONLYESSAY. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. SL93 (talk) 12:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. SL93 (talk) 12:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable junior officer who has received an obscure trophy. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:33, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would not consider an award personally selected by the Commandant of the Marine Corps and nominated by fellow company commanders as "obscure". I would also not consider Sparks "non-notable" per this rationale, his Silver Star, and his appearance in the documentary The Battle for Marjah. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 20:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it's obscure. It might be known within the USMC, but it's basically just a prize. Prizes are awarded by organisations all over the world. They have to be pretty damn significant for their recipients to be automatically notable. After all, we only consider recipients of a country's top decoration for gallantry to be automatically notable, not any lesser (but still a lot more notable than this) awards. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:03, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:57, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:BLP1E: at best this person has one source of fame, and this is basically an obscure internal award. Nick-D (talk) 10:32, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and Nick-D. GregJackP Boomer! 15:33, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Operation Moshtarak. I think most of the sourced material is in the 1st sentence or two. The large bio section seems unsupported by independent sources. Presumably the army record can be sourced from army records, but I feel this is a WP:BLP1E case as both the award/medal and documentary coverage are about the same thing. (The article about the operation could use a sort-of aftermath section: medals doled out, documentaries made about it, etc.) Someone not using his real name (talk) 05:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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