Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/T. J. Allard

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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 06:31, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

T. J. Allard

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Only claim to notability was winning a contest for a role on a local daytime talk show. Only one RS article, regarding that contest. Emmys cited were regional (not national) Emmys, and he was ~~an Editor~~ on a large team ( and not in a major/lead role) for those. Article appears to have been originally created by a WP:UPE firm. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 13:59, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He is followed by over 15k people in Twitter. Sincerely, Masum Reza^☎ 12:16, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Per WP:NFRIENDS, Twitter follower counts aren't evidence of notability. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 12:35, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - He is acknowledged by IMdB and other verifiable sources. Sincerely, Masum Reza^☎ 14:39, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - IMDB is limited as an RS, and doesn't serve to establish notability. There's no doubt that Allard exists, the question is whether he's notable enough to justify a Wiki article. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 14:53, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      - I know IMdB isn't a reliable source but if you Google his name, you will see hundreds of search result which include reliable sources(I am not gonna post links here myself as it is kinda like a pain to me). Sincerely, Masum Reza^☎ 10:24, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep BubbaJoe123456 As per WP:NOT What you are stating is not fact it is your opinion. You are saying that he didn't have a significant/lead role. He wrote, directed and as well as produced multiple shows for NBC.

As per WP:NPOV You stated he was an “Editor on a large team (not major/lead role)” He was never listed as an editor and what constitutes a “large team”? That term is subjective and thus not neutral.

As per WP:RSP He was the correspondent for a NATIONAL TV show called "Good Day Live" not a local show as you state, so that is a false statement. You have stated that he was an editor which is completely wrong. He was a producer and a supervising producer nominated for two other Emmy awards. As sourced in the links below.

As per WP:CITEIMDB IMDB *CAN* be also be used as a secondary and tertiary source of other verified sources. IMDB awards require 3rd party site verification such as links to the NATIONAL ACADEMY OF TELEVISION ARTS & SCIENCES website with the nominations and wins for Emmy awards can also be checked.

As per WP:NPOV He was also the supervising producer for over 100 hours of TV show which has been verified on IMDB as Emmy award nominations and wins are verified before published. https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/other-submission-guides/awards/G5KGRJURZFQGHJQH?ref_=helpms_helpart_inline#

As Per WP:ANYBIO - He is the Hall of Fame for the Mohawk Valley, in New York State.

2 colleges list him as notable alumni.

Hartwick College https://alumnius.net/hartwick_college-10105-5#id7721880

Suny IT (NYS University Publication) (full article on page 4)

https://dspace.sunyconnect.suny.edu/bitstream/handle/1951/66520/BridgeSpring2014.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

He is a spokesman and journalist for the Entertainment Consumer Association. (The ECA - A Gamer’s Advocacy Group) http://www.theeca.com/videos

Other Sources as per WP:RSP

https://nypost.com/2004/12/02/starr-report-854/

http://www.uticaod.net/site_html/SPECIAL_CONTENT/halloffame/entertainment/allard_tj.htm

https://www.engadget.com/2010/06/30/nbc-working-on-video-game-show-pilot-for-primetime/

Nomination as the SUPERVISING PRODUCER for NBC’s “Open House NYC” September 30, 2012

https://www.nyemmys.org/media/files/files/4e69a49d/2014_NY_Emmy_Nominees_Press_Release_November_4_2016_2_._docx.pdf

Emmy Nomination as SUPERVISING PRODUCER for “Foundations: The Frick Collection”. February 1, 2013. (COZI-TV). TJ Allard, Supervising Producer

https://www.nyemmys.org/media/files/files/4e69a49d/2014_NY_Emmy_Nominees_Press_Release_November_4_2016_2_._docx.pdf

Here is the 1st article where he became the on-camera host for a NATIONAL SHOW not Local as previously stated.

https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/good-day-live-taps-allard-74873

IMDB link with verified credits and awards.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1271121/

(Ramniram (talk) 05:23, 4 May 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Comment For his two regional (not national) Emmys, he was a Field Producer/Videographer for the first (misread it, not editor, but still not a showrunner/leadership role) on a team with at least 14 people, and a Segment Producer (misread it, not editor, but still not a showrunner/leadership role) on a team of at least 11 for the second. Again, these are regional awards, not national, so their contribution to notability is dubious at best. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 12:39, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Ramniram has been blocked as a sock puppet. Something to consider when assessing their vote here. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 21:54, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not going to !vote here because (being in Europe) I can't view all of the sources. The article's current sourcing is a real mess - BubbaJoe123456 is right, the only source that might come close to WP:RS is the NYPost article, which I can't read. Stuff like IMDB is UGC, it's not considered when assessing notability. University newspapers and the like are also generally excluded (since they have an obvious interest in puffing their alumni). What was should be looking for is significant coverage in independent reliable sources that would get him over WP:GNG - I'm not seeing that in the links provided by Ramniram above, and I'm not finding any using Google, but it's possible that a careful search with different search terms might throw something up (his apparent preference for intials rather than a first name makes searching a bit more complicated.) GirthSummit _(blether) 09:32, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There was a discussion elsewhere about Wiki and this conversation was referenced as an example of the editing process. I'm finding it curious that this page is flagged, as so many other Wikipedia pages are about people with far fewer notable accomplishments. Joe Brown was a minor league ball player (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Brown_(third_baseman)). Clicking on 'random article' from the Wiki page told me that "Canadian New Zealanders" are people from New Zealand who came from Canada - and lists a few. Given that Wikipedia is a mix of interesting of both little known and extremely relevant facts, it seems odd that someone would suggest that this page is less deserving than others. I don't live in the NY area so I wouldn't have seen any local NY TV. But yet, I was familar with "Good Day Live" from national syndication. It's easy to find proof that it was national (https://www.radiodiscussions.com/showthread.php?705229-Retro-Lexington-NC-Tuesday-May-18-2004) so it's odd that anyone would dismiss it as a "role on a local daytime talk show". I don't remember the show being very good, but it was certainly more than a local NY daytime show. The page appears to have verifiable information. Why should it bother anyone that it's here? Baldy672 (talk) 07:10, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Baldy672: This isn't the place for a generalised discussion of our Deletion policy. Very briefly, pages are supposed to be verifiable by being supported by reliable sources, and the subject needs to be demonstrable notable. This page, in its current state, is very poorly sourced - if possible, it should be improved; if it can't be improved because there aren't any better sources, then our policy is to delete it. As for other articles being in a worse state, that's a bit of a non-argument - see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. There are a limited number of editors, and we're all volunteers - the existence of other problematic pages isn't a reason for us to ignore the problems with this one.GirthSummit _(blether) 14:09, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Improve or delete per Girth Summit. There's nothing in the article in its current form to show notability. Better sources may exist, but I couldn't find anything beyond what's been posted in this mess of a discussion. @Girth Summit: The NY Post article has a single sentence about him, in a "last but not least" section of footnotes of other stories. —⁠烏⁠Γ ^(kaw) │ 19:50, 05 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks KarasuGamma. A single sentence does not amount to substantial coverage - this article needs better sources, or it needs to go. This is no kind of judgment on the subject or his career - it's purely a judgment on the extent to which he's been written about in reliable, independent secondary sources. GirthSummit _(blether) 21:00, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - sketchy references - nothing significant or notable, all the article shows is that T. J. Allard had a job - does not meet WP:ANYBIO, "has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field" - does not meet WP:ENTERTAINER, "Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." - therefore, delete - Epinoia (talk) 00:30, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I noted it briefly in my AfD summary, but this article is listed as part of the portfolio (https://wikispecialistllc.com/portfolio) of a firm that does undisclosed paid Wikipedia editing. I'd also note that there was an attempt to remove the AfD template by User:Youth001, an account blocked as a spam/advertising-only account. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 12:36, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Doesn't appear to meet WP:BIO. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:25, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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