Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Siti Zainab (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. JBW (talk) 21:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Siti Zainab

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The article underwent AfD discussions in July 2023, leading to a "soft delete." However, it was reinstated in December 2023 by the same article creator, confirmed as a sockpuppet. Despite its restoration, the article fails to address the issues that prompted its removal in July 2023, particularly regarding WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. Notably, in the Filmography section, nearly all entries list her as uncredited. The one exception where she is credited only features her in a supporting role. Ckfasdf (talk) 15:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Bands and musicians, Women, and Indonesia. Skynxnex (talk) 16:18, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not eligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:34, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment found her obituary which maybe can help in adding some content to the page https://www.forevermissed.com/siti-zainab/about Hi Bree! (talk) 09:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)Comment struck per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Ckfasdf (talk) 02:45, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can't think of any good reason for this article to stay.

Allan Nonymous (talk) 00:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Given that she received an in-depth profile in Aneka magazine (well, based on the amount of information, three or four pages - the maximum to expect from such magazines in the 1950s) it is likely that contemporary magazines gave her coverage as well. Unfortunately, most such magazines have not been made available digitally. Also, there was another actress billed simply as "Zainab" active in Indonesia in the 1950s (born in 1933, rather than 1935, and appearing in films such as Tiga Dara; source: Biran, Apa dan Siapa Film Indonesia, 1979), and so finding sources online would be difficult.

Please note that I was canvassed off Wikipedia. As such, I am not !voting. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to WP:NACTOR, an individual may be deemed notable if they have played significant roles in numerous noteworthy films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. However, this doesn't apply to this person and the other "Zainab," as they are credited as uncredited in both films they appear in. Ckfasdf (talk) 23:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Never said that she met NACTOR; indeed, as you point out, she did not play significant roles in these films (I'm unfamiliar with Singaporean cinema, and can't speak to the significance or noteworthiness of the films themselves). Those comments pointed to the possibility that she met GNG, if access to older records were possible. Overall, and personally, I'm leaning delete myself. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. We have a well presented nomination, and some productive discussion about the possible availability of sources. The other delete argument lacks basis in policy.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 02:00, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails NACTOR and ANYBIO. If we can't locate sourcing, then we delete. The namespace may be resurrected if sources are found. BusterD (talk) 15:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.