Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pyramid puzzle

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Mechanical puzzle. Merge and disambiguate. Feel free to discuss accordingly on appropriate talk page. Missvain (talk) 00:19, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pyramid puzzle

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Article has been unsourced since Jan 2007. Notability of topic is in question. Coin945 (talk) 05:49, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Toys-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Products-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Speedy keep~~, the nominator does not propose a valid WP:DEL-REASON. The nominator does not say which notability guideline this article fails to meet. SailingInABathTub (talk) 10:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to Mechanical puzzle. No reason why a pyramid shape in particular is notable. Reywas92^Talk 18:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete very clearly fails our rules against dictionary defintions.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:22, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~. Clearly the contributors to this article had a specific puzzle in mind, rather than just the generic idea of a puzzle being pyramid-shaped. It's hard to tell which puzzle the article is talking about, but I think it is the two-piece and four-piece puzzles described in this University of Waterloo virtual museum of games. I think the link I gave doesn't make the puzzle generally notable, but I'm mentioning it here in the spirit of WP:BEFORE. Adumbrativus (talk) 06:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- It is the two-piece one, comparing against the original, now deleted because it was not correctly licensed, illustration; but it is not the same four-piece one. Uncle G (talk) 10:46, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- On second thought, merge to Mechanical puzzle and then disambiguate, as argued by MarkH21 below, is preferable to deletion and seems to address most concerns raised in the discussion. Adumbrativus (talk) 09:15, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- its not clear what this even refers to. The author of the article is no longer active, so we may never know. If we have to guess at the subject of the article, then it clearly doesn't belong.--Rusf10 (talk) 21:05, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Too ambiguous. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 03:23, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, sources and image added. SailingInABathTub (talk) 10:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To discuss the added sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:41, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per nom and WP:NAD CommanderWaterford (talk) 11:38, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mathematics-related deletion discussions. XOR'easter (talk) 20:07, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I suspect that enough different things are called "pyramid puzzles" that calling this the primary meaning would be misleading. There's already a hatnote to the tower of Hanoi, and the GS search indicates that the cannonball problem is also known as the "square pyramid puzzle" [1]. (In addition, there's a lesser-known "Chinese Number Pyramid Puzzle" [2].) Then there are some appearances in video games, etc. It seems like anything worth saying about the two-piece pyramid assembly puzzle can be said at mechanical puzzle, but I'm not convinced of the merits of leaving a redirect behind. XOR'easter (talk) 20:24, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, with Mechanical puzzle. On reflection, after researching this, and per XOR'easter - there are lots of different types of pyramid puzzles. There is no real reason why the pyramid variant of a mechanical puzzle needs its own article. SailingInABathTub (talk) 21:40, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom and WP:NAD as per all above. Fails WP:GNG Purosinaloense T/K 14:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and then disambiguate: There isn't actually much to merge from here to mechanical puzzle, although I wouldn't be opposed to having a sentence or two merged over. However, I don't think that this page should remain as a redirect to mechanical puzzle as other editors have already argued. Ideally, this would be merged and then immediately converted into a disambiguation page (which also preserves the article history for attribution regarding the merge). This is should be a solution that aligns with all of the merge and delete arguments above.
The need for a merge is that there is well-referenced content here (not much, but it's there) that is suitable for a sentence of two at mechanical puzzle, but the topic is not notable enough and the term is too ambiguous for a standalone article here about pyramid-shaped mechanical puzzles as pointed out by several editors.
The need for a disambiguation is due to the fact pointed out by several editors that the term "pyramid puzzle" is ambiguous and refers approximately equally to mechanical puzzles currently at this article and the Tower of Hanoi, and slightly less so for the cannonball problem and some other pyramid-shaped puzzles. It seems like a reasonably common enough search term (page views) for these various puzzles (for example, it is a well-referenced alternative name in the lead of Tower of Hanoi) such that a disambiguation page is needed here. — MarkH₂₁^talk 17:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and then disambiguate per the !vote just above. XOR'easter (talk) 03:11, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 19:21, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

merge and disambiguate is a reasonable suggestion: google readily shows there are plenty of other things called "pyramid puzzle". Lembit Staan (talk)
Merge and then disambiguate per the excellent arguments of MarkH21. --JBL (talk) 02:29, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.