Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phiwa Nkambule (2nd nomination)

Phiwa Nkambule

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So this article was created by Phwaice who seems to be a WP:COI user judging by username and behavior. The article was previously nominated for deletion and the consensus was to redirect to a company article that is now deleted due to lack of notability. The article was then reverted by Carloschilo who also seems to have COI behavior.

The issue is this article from a quick glance seem to be nothing more than a PR puff piece for the subject which is basically WP:PROMO. There’s also issue of notability. The vast majority of sources are basically brief mentions of the subject. You have some which are interviews, so they are not independent. The subject is mentioned in a few lists, but these again seem more like mentions and not really in-depth.

This article probably needs to be rewritten from scratch to comply with Wikipedia standards. That’s assuming we get enough independent in-depth sources of notability.

Edit: There seems to be a lot of WP:SPA users on this article. Lenoviah, Iceemagic,SimonSemenya and NganonoMrico. Not sure if these are all WP:SOCK accounts by one person or if its basically a PR agency being paid to fluff this article.

Imcdc Contact 03:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Businesspeople, Business, Technology, and Africa. Imcdc Contact 03:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Imcdc Contact 02:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As previously stated my focus is primarily on articles of subjects linked to Eswatini, which are not many unfortunately as the country on has a 1 million population. This country is extremely under-covered. Here are a few examples that show notability of the subject:

1. https://www.google.co.za/books/edition/Entrepreneurs_Who_Changed_History/vAbnDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=phiwa%20nkambule%20entrepreneurs%20who%20changed%20history&pg=PT958&printsec=frontcover

2. https://www.google.co.za/books/edition/Simple_Algorithms/-IdeEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=phiwa%20nkambule%20simple%20coding&pg=PT23&printsec=frontcover

3. https://www.forbesafrica.com/cover-story/2019/10/14/forbes-africa-8-years-and-growing/

4. https://www.forbesafrica.com/under-30/2018/06/04/under-30-technology/

5. https://www.google.co.za/books/edition/Autonomic_Computing/nozJEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=phiwa%20nkambule&pg=PA1946&printsec=frontcover Carloschilo (talk) 09:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources above so far seem to be mainly about another subject but has a brief mention on the current nominated subject with most of them just stating his role founding non-notable companies. Also AFD consensus shows lists like Forbes 30 Under 30 is not considered a reliable source in establishing notability since every year there are 1,230 people under 30 years old placed on the list so it gives the impression it is more of a promotional tool. Notability should not be driven by being on the list although some of the objective information may be used to provide further context on the subject. Imcdc Contact 02:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment So now there are three pages affiliated with the subject that are now deleted due to lack of notability. Looks a bit like a WP:WG - Imcdc Contact 04:53, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, not eligible for a Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Liz it appears a number of referenced online articles have been rot considering they are pre-2020 articles but there are references to physical newspapers like this one [1] and books which cover the subject. There are also video interviews done by CNBC on the subject. Maybe converting it to a stub may be a more reasonable because the subject is notable.

Carloschilo (talk) 12:08, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Does feel PROMO, I can only find PR items [2]. Sourcing used now isn't helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 15:11, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Oaktree b it appears a number of referenced online articles have been rot considering they are pre-2020 articles but there are references to physical newspapers like this one [3] and books which cover the subject. There are also video interviews done by CNBC on the subject. Maybe converting it to a stub may be a more reasonable because the subject is notable. Carloschilo (talk) 12:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are all brief mentions or interviews, none of which help show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:40, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If, in 2024, you have to use SPAs and sock puppets to create an autobiographical page here, you are presumptively not notable. We have never, ever in 23 years published original research. Bearian (talk) 11:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]