Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Goulet

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Hardly an overwhelming consensus to keep, but I doubt that further relisting will generate a consensus to delete.Mojo Hand (talk) 03:14, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Paul Goulet

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Fails WP:GNG. No significant coverage other than self-published sources. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nevada-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Comment -- Except where I suspect a hoax, I judge articles on their content. My question is, "what makes him notable?". Four books of which I have never heard, though one is published by Nelson, a reputable publihser of Christian books, might just about make him notable, if the books are widely circulated. For the rest, I see little notable: pastor of a NN church (no WP link to church); local TV apprearnace are NN; involvement with a university extension program is not enough to make him a notable academic. My preliminary view is that he is NN, but I am not voting to delete as the books just might mke him notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:56, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

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• Keep -- I vote to keep the article. The subject is the leader of the third-largest church in the state of Nevada. Though this church does not currently have a Wikipedia article, it may qualify as notable, though that is likely outside the scope of this discussion. As stated in the article, the subject has been recognized as a "Distinguished Nevadan" by the state's University system, an award which they state "is bestowed upon prominent individuals who have made significant achievements that have contributed to the cultural, scientific or social advancement of Nevada." Although this award may not qualify as "well-known" per WP:ANYBIO, it bears noting here and may be considered "significant." The subject and the church have also received coverage in local and national media. The subject has also received coverage in French media, which per WP:GNG may also qualify as legitimate sources. Per WP:AUTHOR, the subject appears to be regarded as an important figure by peers in the Christian and French-Christian world. RyanLV (talk) 03:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Keep As above. J 1982 (talk) 16:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• Comment -- Regarding User:RyanLVs addition of links and info, I've examined each source and provide a summary below:

Claim: The subject is the leader of the third-largest church in the state of Nevada.[1]

• Appears to be a listing of churches in Nevada by size. Two churches are larger, and only the pastor the largest (with 4 times more members) has a Wiki article.

Claim: The subject has been recognized as a "Distinguished Nevadan" by the state's University system. [2]

• He was.

Claim: The subject and the church have also received coverage in local and national media.

first article

• Goulet is quoted several places in this article in Charisma (magazine).

second article

• Not even mentioned in this article.

third article

• His name is mentioned once in the article, for a one-line quote.

fourth article

• A listing of newspaper articles with the name "Paul Goulet". One article had some depth. One was about a zookeeper by the same name.

Claim: The subject appears to be regarded as an important figure by peers in the Christian and French-Christian world.

first article

• A significant article in a respected French-Canadian newspaper.

second article

• This is an advertisement for a speaking appearance by Goulet

third article

• This is weird, non-encyclopedic interview with Goulet's family, produced by Trinity Broadcasting Network, which it appears also broadcasts his shows.

Interesting that this article was missed, but may contribute to his notability. It's about a lady who drove her car through the front of his church, and it mentions a previous article in the Las Vegas Sun newspaper where Goulet was mentioned. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:58, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• Comment -- To clarify some items mentioned above:
  • In reading this entire article I'm not aware of any advertisement for a speaking appearance.
  • In reference to the Trinity Broadcasting link (subjective "weirdness" aside), the network does not appear to air shows by the subject as he is not listed as one of their hosts. He has, however, appeared as a guest on some of their programming, as evidenced by this video and this video. He has also appeared as a guest on one other Christian network.
  • In any case, my intent in including these items was to serve as evidence that he may be respected by his peers and not necessarily that these items would serve as an encyclopedic source. I believe that If the sourcing of an article itself needs work, per WP:NNC and WP:PRESERVE, the article does not necessarily justify removal but instead warrants fixing. RyanLV (talk) 03:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, this was the ad for the speaking tour. The links were hard to sort out the way they were added. Magnolia677 (talk) 04:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:41, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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