Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Padres FC

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Padres FC

Unreferenced stub on a non notable football club. Google search throws up a load of irrelevant information, something in Cantonese and the official website. Nothing even resembling WP:RS, thus, seemingly, no hope of the article being expanded. See also, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darwin Dragons SC HJMitchell You rang? 23:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Football Federation Northern Territory. Individual team articles about what is, essentially, a minor league, are not merited. Mandsford (talk) 12:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would suggest dealing with all the clubs of the Football Federation Northern Territory as a group. It is the highest level of football in the Northern Territory, a first level subdivision of Australia and the clubs in its sister organisations Football Federation Victoria, Football NSW etc. are generally considered notable. Of course this does not mean that reliable sources can be found. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 05:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 05:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. —Mattinbgn\^talk 05:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Mattinbgn\^talk 05:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the team seems to just about meet notability. Giant Snowman 13:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the top level of a state in Australia seems to indicate club notability. Additionally, it is important to not fall into the trap and assume that all sources are online. Newspaper archival research can surely come up with some stuff. matt91486 (talk) 15:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The club plays in the top league of its state. For me, thats notable! John Sloan @ 19:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not a state, a territory with 150,000 people in a sport that is not that popular. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 08:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Delete No references at all to establish notability and it is unlikely that a non-professional sports team like this would receive the level of coverage needed to meet WP:ORG. The above keep comments appear to be WP:ILIKEIT as they don't demonstrate that any references actually exist, let alone enough to constitute 'significant coverage' as required by the notability guidelines. Nick-D (talk) 03:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, id never heard of this team until yesterday (since i'm from the UK). So I could analise this from a completely neutral point of view. I'm pretty sure the other keeps here are much the same! John Sloan @ 09:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - seems quite consistent with other teams that are around. Nfitz (talk) 04:30, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Obviously I have a stake in keeping the articles as the creator -- but unlike a recent discussion over the merit of keeping Whittlesea United, I definitely believe these team pages have a place on Wikipedia. They are clubs from the league behind the A-League in Australia. I've been pretty busy, so haven't had the time to spend on sources, but a quick Google News search finds this and this and this. Australian Matt (talk) 06:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'd just apply some caution re "the league behind the A-league" claim. While this is technically correct, by any reasonable measure the standard of this competition would be a long way behind the other state leagues in Australia. As a yardstick, I'd suggest that no players have gone straight from the NT league directly into the A-league whereas there would be many examples from say the Victorian Premier League. Murtoa (talk) 12:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Palmerston FC player Alistair Evans has trained with the Queensland Roar (now Brisbane Roar) youth side. Rhian Davies is a W-League player from the Northern Territory. The others that come to mind from Darwin are Hamilton Thorp (Perth Glory) and John Tambouras (New Zealand Knights). Australian Matt (talk) 23:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete completely non-notable. A small amateur weekend club in a city of 120,000 people in a country where soccer is not one of the leading competitive sports. #2 Soccer's elite player base is built around continental European immigrants like Italians, Greeks, Balkans, etc, and Darwin doesn't have many immigrants from those parts; immigrants mostly go to big cities. There are eight teams in the city, so on avg 15,000 people per team. Not notable. Just on another note, Salisbury United is a team in my area, in the second division of suburban soccer. They should be deleted as well. When I was a kid I saw them draw 3-3 against a ragtag "Vietnam United" team from the area. They are no better than a team from a sporty high school. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 08:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As for the comment about the 7/8th division in England etc, I looked up eg, Harrogate in UK; 160,000 people, and they have two clubs, one in 6th tier and another in 8th tier, but at least both have stadiums about 3,000 with 500 odd seats and are semi-pro. In Australia, 3rd tier soccer teams play in paddocks with no seats, no money etc. Entrance is free, at least the Vietnam Utd v Salisbury Utd one was (at a paddock with no fence/gate). YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 08:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WRT Nfitz, from English football league system, it appears that only the top 8 tiers in the UK have a regular full season. When I went to 9 and below I couldn't see any bluelinks to any teams. Well the 8th tier teams at least have a stadium. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 08:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just as ChrisTheDude noted in the similar deletion discussion here, every team in the UK plays a full, regular season. And tiers below the A-League do indeed charge prices for admission - see the Victorian system example here. The NT News is a reliable source and it has now been added to the article. Australian Matt (talk) 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.