Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nelly Karim

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:46, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nelly Karim

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WP:A7 declined. Does not appear notable per WP:NACTOR. While Karim has a significant role in 678, nothing else seems significant (or notable in its own right). In checking for other indicators of notability, "Nelly Karim" -wikipedia reveals 203 ghits, while "نيللي كريم‎" -wikipedia reveals only 193 ghits. This is a fair indicator of non-notability. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 15:38, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 15:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 15:55, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete The requirements are two leading roles in notable films, in only one of the two notable films she has been in can she be said to have had a leading role.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:32, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Well... technically the roles don't have to be major roles. The roles just have to have gained her coverage in reliable sources. A person can have a career that is entirely non-major roles, yet as long as they have received coverage for their work they would pass notability guidelines. I'm running into a language barrier, but I'm finding enough to suggest that Karim would pass notability guidelines. She's won a few awards and she's mentioned in a book about Shakespeare in modern cinema in relation to a film she was in. She's also mentioned here as someone with a particularly large fan following in Egypt. I've asked for help from the Egypt WP, as I'm fairly sure that there will be more coverage in another language. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There's bound to be more coverage in other languages such as Arabic, but I think I found enough to show that she's rather well thought of in Egypt and in the Arabic speaking world as a whole. My search was limited by the language barrier, but I did find quite a few hits when I put her Arabic name in Google News Search. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:41, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- This is all pretty minor and nonspecific. The fact is she's had one major role in a possibly notable film. If there's a language barrier the onus is on those calling for keep to surpass it and add the information to the article. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 16:25, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I do think that notability is proven with the sourcing I did find, but I'm just saying that since most of the coverage is in Arabic that there will be far more coverage that needs to be added to the article that I couldn't find. The thing is, she's won multiple awards for different roles other than 678. One was a group award but the one with CIFF was for best actress. I think that this all shows her notability fairly clearly per WP:GNG. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Pretty famous actress who did many primary characters in shows and movies. She is presented in news articles often and is very notable in the arab world. You can see many news articles in arabic about her here. You can find more news articles covering her through ahram online, which is a major news paper in the middle east, alarabyia.net, Egypt Independent .--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:00, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:SOFIXIT, if you can. Put her Arabic name in quotes, there are exactly 105 news ghits. So what? That isn't notability. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 04:16, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm getting over 1,000 hits on Google News and that's just with the recent news. Of course the amount of hits on any given news search doesn't really mean that someone's notable... but neither does it mean that someone isn't notable. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Plus I do have to add that WP:NACTOR is not limited to film only. It covers television as well and it all boils down to whether or not the actor or actress in question has received coverage for their roles. Karim has- most of the coverage now is about her latest television role, but what I can see with Google Translate I can see where she easily passes notability guidelines. Here are some links, although I will give the disclaimer that I only saw a portion of the book in the preview (which was translated by GT). ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5]) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:06, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not to mention that the biggest newspaper in Egypt did a rather long piece on her earlier this year. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:12, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have been convinced that enough has been found to show that she is notable. However I hope people keep improving this article, because it is still too much just a listing without substance.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:10, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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