Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moti Horenstein

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The result was Delete. Fram (talk) 13:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moti Horenstein

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Article fails to show the subject meets any notability criteria (WP:GNG, WP:MMANOT, or WP:MANOTE). The only sources in the article are the two I added showing his 2 first round losses in the UFC. Papaursa (talk) 20:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 20:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:18, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Undecided, leaning towards delete I don't think anyone would disagree the article itself is an unsourced pile of junk (well, unsourced until aside from the additions the nom made). In looking to see if I could find anything on Horenstein I found a primary source[www.mhka.com/index.php/hanshi-moti-horenstein-mainmenu-27] which suggests he has won championships at the "International World Oyama Karate Open Championships" and the "King's Cup Muay Thai World". I know very little about martial arts competitions in general (I'm lucky I know as much as about just MMA), so I don't know if these are significant competitions that would apply towards WP:ATHLETE or not. I was able to find one source that offered more than a passing reference[1] and two with passing references [2][3]. Toss in his film/tv credits and a a weak passing of WP:MMANOT this is a very borderline case I think (though possibly leaning towards delete). It'll take someone some real work to find references. --TreyGeek (talk) 01:53, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete I can't find the championships mentioned by TreyGeek in any sources not concerned with Horenstein. There is an annual one night event in Thailand called the "King's Cup" to celebrate the king's birthday, but it's not a world championship (it's not nearly as prestigious as Lumpinee or Rajadamnern) and I found no evidence to indicate Horenstein has ever participated. I found no evidence of any championships that aren't primary (or based on primary) sources. The two first round losses in the UFC does not quite meet WP:MMANOT. Astudent0 (talk) 19:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep All of his opponents are notable, he fought in the UFC, defeated Pat Smith. Is also a well known krav maga practitioner outside MMA. Article is fairly well written and sourced. - Thai Striker (talk) 17:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

struck comments by sockpuppet of banned user (see ANI discussion concerning Thai Striker) Papaursa (talk) 21:49, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Losing all your fights, except one, doesn't make you notable. The only sources are merely fight results (WP:ROUTINE) and he doesn't meet WP:MMANOT. There's no support for any claims of notability. The sources I found that would support notability claims all seem to be primary. Mdtemp (talk) 17:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The only reference I found on the web is about a generally poorly rated Kharate Academy. I don't think this person is a notable sportsman as he has not participated in any world tournament so far Wikishagnik (talk) 18:58, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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