Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max (gorilla)

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The result was Keep. Definitely not the most notable gorilla, but consensus finds him to be notable enough. Certainly far more so than the average gorilla. bd2412 T 03:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Max (gorilla)

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Contested PROD. Rationale was "Non-notable animal. Same basic principle as WP:BLP1E, except this gorilla didn't even bring it on himself." The sources here are talking about a non-notable incident, and having been a passive part of a non-notable incident is not notable. (Note; I meant WP:BIO1E, but you get the idea I'm sure, comment at 22:01, 31 August 2019 (UTC)) The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:24, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 00:31, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:38, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and this event had no lasting impact. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:46, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom, a single tragic incident involving a non-notable gorilla. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:23, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Not just a single event, but also a statue and (considerably after the event) the gorilla's death. Reliable sources thought that this was a notable gorilla. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:54, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I side with Eastmain on this one. Max is certainly notable enough IMO, though he is not the most notable gorilla by far. -- BoothSift 02:39, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Lots of places have statues for various things. That does not make their subjects notable. And how is dying 7 years after a news item at all notable? The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 12:53, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@The Blade of the Northern Lights: The article is not titled "Death of Max (gorilla)", is it?-- BoothSift 20:20, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't, because his death had no lasting notability; he just died, so that doesn't prove notability. After living, and being passively involved in a non-notable incident, he died an unremarkable death. At least that's my argument. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:23, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The subject is quite notable as there are plenty of sources which pass WP:BASIC. BLP1E/BIO1E is not a reason to delete because those guidelines are concerned with the split between coverage of the individual and the event. As there doesn't seem to be a separate article about an event, that's a non-issue. Claims that there was no lasting impact are false because the subject won a prize as "Newsmaker of the Year"; their death was subject of a further round of coverage and they were commemorated with a substantial statue. Even now, there is fresh coverage in books like this. Andrew D. (talk) 08:30, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
He got shot one year, then when he died they remembered it in what are basically obituaries. Hardly lasting coverage. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 12:53, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Obituaries are good evidence of notability; I regularly start articles about notable people using them. And the subject here didn't just get obituaries. It was eulogized as "The Second Best Known South African in the World". It got a memorial garden for mourners. It got a website. It got a statue and that's still there. The sources which tell us this were written years after the subject died. That's lasting coverage; that's notability. My !vote stands. Andrew D. (talk) 22:57, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Andrew Davidson's excellent rationale. I'd also like to echo the same sentiments as Andrew w/r/t BLP1E. That is a frequently misunderstood policy, especially in the context of AFDs. May His Shadow Fall Upon You ^Talk 19:45, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my, a eulogy. My grandmother received a eulogy, and has things named after her. But she's sure not notable. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:17, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:ONEEVENT - known for one incident, otherwise unremarkable - Epinoia (talk) 16:48, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the article for Eno the Emu, known for one event, was recently deleted for lack of notability - famous does not equal notable - Epinoia (talk) 22:11, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.