Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lvovich

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:29, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lvovich

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We do not disambiguate by Russian middle-name patronymics, such as Petrovich, Stepanovich, etc. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:47, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 00:27, 8 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 12:01, 8 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Has it been agreed somewhere that we don't disambiguate in this way? If so then please link the policy or guideline or discussion showing that it has been agreed. I know more about Russian culture than most anglophones, enough to know that Vladimir Lenin has often been referred to as "Ilyich", but not enough to know whether such references are common practice. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 22:05, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Reference by patronymic is common only in informal speech among insiders (relatives, colleagues,etc. It is extremely uncommon the person is commonly recognized by his partonymic. Therefore we do not have to "agree somewhere" about this: it is a common rule for disambig pages. Ilyich is a good example of the exception of this rule and we Ilyich page about this. I am not aware of other such cases. Staszek Lem (talk) 00:41, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. We have articles on first names when there is something interesting to be said about the name (e.g. Mark), in which case there is often also be a list of notable people with that name as part of the article. We disambiguate first names, e.g. Adele (given name) or Adele (disambiguation) when there are multiple people and/or other topics people might be looking for under that name. Sometimes, the two meld a bit into each other, but we don't have mere lists of people with a certain name, when there is little reason to suppose someone would search by it and land in the wrong place. Now apply to Slavic patronymics: it's hard to justify under the first rationale (Mark), since such content could be under the article for the corresponding first name. So if it is editorially interesting towards understanding the name Lev, people with patronymic Lvovich might be listed there (I doubt it, but possible). For the 2nd rationale, that's precisely what we have for Ilyich - it was a patronymic which unlike usual was commonly used to refer to one specific Ilyich, and through him gave the name to various towns, etc. for political reasons. But that seems to be a special case, which doesn't seem to be the case for Lvovich. Put another way, unlike Mark, Adele, or Ilyich, there doesn't seem to be any worthwhile info to keep that could not be ad hoc replicated with a search for Lvovich, so why keep it? Martinp (talk) 03:20, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.