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The result was Speedy Delete per WP:G7 -- the author blanked the page — CactusWriter ^(talk) 01:28, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Izzad Bakhsh

A meaningless article; non notable and non sourced. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Actually fits CSD WP:A3. -- DanielKlotz (talk · contribs) 14:37, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:A3; no meaningful content Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:54, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 00:00, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

C1N1K1LL discography

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Discography of a band whose article was speedied A7 for lacking any substantive claim of notability under WP:NMUSIC, and whose sole album with an article was then speedied A9. Accordingly, I then speedied the discography — but was then challenged by one editor on the grounds that as neither A7 nor A9 makes any specific provision for artists' discographies, there were no valid speedy grounds at all (not even the snowball clause was acceptable) and the discography thus had to be kept for seven full days of process wonkery even though my opponent fully agrees with its deletion.
This discography, for the record, is every bit as unsourced and unsourceable as the band's article was (reliable source coverage at big fat zero on Google), and fails to even name the chart the albums purportedly attained their claimed chart positions on — and because artists do not automatically get standalone discography articles as separate topics from their main article, but rather get that treatment only when the main article is long enough to need spinoffs for size management purposes, it should never actually have been left to stand alone as a separate article in the first place. So if it had been handled properly, i.e. redirected back to the band article, it would have become speediable as a G8 (redirect to a nonexistent page).
So I guess my real question has less to do with whether this is deletable or not — that's a no-brainer — and more to do with asking whether there's the will to formally establish a consensus that speedy deleted artists' discography articles should become eligible for speedy under A9 if the artist and all of the albums in the discography are all redlinks, or under A7 on the grounds that it's not really a true standalone topic in its own right, so much as a formatting choice that we sometimes apply to the band's article, and is thus really a subpage of the deleted article rather than an independent topic. Bearcat (talk) 23:31, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Isn't the proper venue for this Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion? Not sure why you've restored a deleted page and launched a deletion discussion when you've said yourself it's a foregone conclusion. Adam9007 (talk) 00:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia process essentially requires admins to reverse their own speedy deletion, and take it to another forum for wider discussion, if somebody expresses an objection after the fact. Bearcat (talk) 00:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In that case delete per original PROD. As I said, it's very much a borderline case, with Boing! said Zebedee: thinking this meets A9, and me A7 because it's indirectly about the band itself, and that this should really have been on the band's article, which is A7-able. I'm not sure if A9 covers discographies but apparently not. Discographies are basically catalogues of an artist's albums or songs, whereas I think A9 only covers individual albums or songs, though I could be wrong. But I suppose this is technically outside CSD's scope because, as stated, neither specifically state anything about discographies; by default they're not quite about albums/songs (A9), and not quite about a band or singer (A7). They're sort of in-between. Though I suppose that had the band's article been kept, it wouldn't have been an A9 in any case. Adam9007 (talk) 00:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to say that the article is not about a discography; it is a discography, so I agree that they should be speediable if the artist and the albums are redlinks. But under A7 or A9 I'm not sure. Adam9007 (talk) 00:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete of course, and I would support the modification of A9 to include discographies when neither the band nor albums (including singles) have Wikipedia articles. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 00:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for obvious reasons LavaBaron (talk) 21:08, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete if the artist and albums are not notable then the discography has no valid reason to be kept. Daft that A9 does not cover as its only a grouping of the musical recording that are covered. KylieTastic (talk) 19:42, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 00:04, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

William Eyang

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WP:TOOSOON? Fails WP:NFOOT because he made no appearances Ueutyi (talk) 22:05, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. – Michael (talk) 19:48, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 20:10, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:05, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mehrdad Myrkyany

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I have doubts about the notability of these awards (As far as I can tell from the almost unreadable translation from Farsi, most of them were not awards, but occasions where he was listed as a "candidate"") DGG ( talk ) 21:17, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I marked it as reviewed and bookmarked it for later as I also questioned it. SwisterTwister talk 21:33, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per DGG not sure if he won the award or was merely a candidate further how notable is the award. Lacks third party references and fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. There is consensus that there is insufficient sourcing available for a standalone page. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:00, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Naomi Conner

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With very limited local coverage of the WP:ROUTINE nature and basically nothing about her life or accomplishments other then she lived, had a family, and eventually died, there is no notability established here. Per WP:NOPAGE she belongs on the appropriate lists but no stand alone page. Legacypac (talk) 21:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, an entry in List of supercentenarians from the United States should suffice. Sionk (talk) 22:56, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Being the oldest person in Texas is notable. And being one of the overall longest living people ever is notable. Also per WP:GNG. We dont delete articles on WP:IDONTLIKEIT or article quality. --BabbaQ (talk) 23:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

She was the oldest living person in Texas at the time of her death, but not the oldest ever person in/from Texas. From what I've seen of similar AfD discussions, we don't generally keep articles about people simply because they didn't die for a long time. For Conner we don't have much else about her than a grandchild count. Sionk (talk) 00:21, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and/or Redirect to List of supercentenarians from the United States. Fails WP:GNG as there is no significant coverage in reliable sources. A GRG table, a dead link to her obituary and two routine birthday articles that go to the same website (suggesting local coverage only) do not establish notability. Removing the longevity trivia leaves you with a name, age, country, nickname and how many siblings and grandkids she had. Nothing of interest here. Entry in a "list of" is enough. CommanderLinx (talk) 00:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/Merge/Redirect One dead link, GRG, and two local TV bits =/= sigcov. And see WP:NOPAGE. E Eng 13:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/Redirect to List of supercentenarians from the United States largely per CommanderLinx who sums up my line of thought. Blackmane (talk) 13:39, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, then redirect to List of supercentenarians from the United States. There's no reason for this to have a stand-alone article. The assessment of the "sources" above is spot-on, as is the reference to the WP:NOPAGE essay. David in DC (talk) 17:22, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge to List of supercentenarians from the United States. The available sources do not appear to satisfy the requirement for a standalone page per WP:N, although there might be enough for an entry via a merge. Canadian Paul 19:03, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of supercentenarians from the United States (with the history preserved under the redirect). Several editors have suggested a merge to List of supercentenarians from the United States. Per Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Attribution is required for copyright, the page history must be preserved if a merge occurs. Therefore, I recommend retaining the history under the redirect so that interested editors can selectively merge material to List of supercentenarians from the United States. Cunard (talk) 05:45, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:47, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Knjiga joga za nosečnice

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Non-notable book. Twenty Google hits, all sales sites or promotional, none independent. —Largo Plazo (talk) 20:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, no indication of notability--Jac16888 ^Talk 23:22, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom fails WP:NBOOK.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:40, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as this is not convincing for the applicable notability. SwisterTwister talk 00:28, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was procedural close. Nomination withdrawn (nominator blanked the discussion) with no outstanding delete votes. (non-admin closure) • Gene93k (talk) 01:09, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of school massacres by death toll

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I guess I will just repeat what was said in the last deletion discussion. Obviously this article was moved from the List of rampage killers (school massacres) article (which has since been restored) without the user even making a proposal and a consensus being reached in the latter's talk page. Also, according to Millionsandbillions, this article violates WP:NOTCENSORED by redacting the names of the perpetrators. In addition, there seemed to be a "single-editor ownership" going on before the creator got banned, suggesting a skewed intention for the article at best. Parsley Man (talk) 20:33, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I see no reason to delete this important and interesting list. Can be used by many readers to navigate this major subject as well. The article is well-sourced also. Clear keeper. BabbaQ (talk) 20:46, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Can be used by many readers to navigate this major subject as well." So does the List of rampage killers (school massacres) article. Parsley Man (talk) 20:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS does not apply.BabbaQ (talk) 23:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Except that the whole thing was copy-and-pasted from that article, with the exception of the redacting of names. Parsley Man (talk) 23:44, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - it's a mess and almost worse than useless (for example it didn't include last year's major Garissa University College attack). The inclusion criteria is laughable (why exclude attacks if they are carried out by a member of staff?). But the tolerance of list articles is high on Wikipedia, so I've no reason to delete it. The nominator doesn't give a coherent rationale for deletion anyway. Sionk (talk) 23:34, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"The nominator doesn't give a coherent rationale for deletion anyway." I will repeat myself, "Obviously this article was moved from the List of rampage killers (school massacres) article (which has since been restored) without the user even making a proposal and a consensus being reached in the latter's talk page." Parsley Man (talk) 23:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of school massacres by death toll certainly copies the style and format of List of rampage killers (school massacres) but it appears to list very different things (i.e. the massacres not the perpetrators). List of rampage killers (school massacres) is still there at that target (I assume any redirect was reverted). The original list seems hardly better (I would say worse, considering we have no widespread definition of "rampage killer"). I'll assume you simply didn't express your argument very well, however, if an article started by being copied from another article, that isn't a valid reason for deletion is it? Sionk (talk) 00:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the redirect was reverted; I checked the history. And yes, an article started by being copied from another article should be deleted validly. Parsley Man (talk) 00:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A replication of the same article could be deleted validly. But we're not talking about that at all here. They're now very different in content. Sionk (talk) 00:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What about the way it was created without a proposal even being made first? Parsley Man (talk) 00:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Articles aren't normally created after making a "proposal", they are just created. And certainly never deleted just because a proposal hadn't been made before creating them (or any other procedural issue). You reiterate this point, but it's invalid. LjL (talk) 00:48, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)To be honest, I don't see any evidence of a discussion before List of rampage killers (school massacres) was created from List of rampage killers. Sometimes it is good practise to discuss an article split. But here someone has created a list of something different, though in a similar style. If there is a problem perceived with List of school massacres by death toll it can be dealt with in the normal way, discussion and editing/cleanup. Sionk (talk) 00:52, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - And considering that this article was kept less than three months ago after a No consensus !vote in a AfD putting it up again so soon seems excessive. That the creating user has been blocked is irrelevant to an articles notability, WP:IDONTLIKEIT which seems to be the nominators main concern is irrelevant to an articles notability. BabbaQ (talk) 23:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

LjL said this, and I quote: "Discussions closed as "no consensus" (like the previous AFD for this article) can properly be re-opened." Parsley Man (talk) 23:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's true, but nothing in this article's current nomination actually suggests it should be deleted, but rather, fixed and improved. It's not proper to delete an article that does belong on Wikipedia just because the present state of it is suboptimal, or other reasons such as the creator being blocked or an agenda having been pushed in the pastr. LjL (talk) 00:05, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The List of rampage killers (school massacres) article already covers a majority of the events included in this article, the remainder can be categorized or is already categorized in other appropriate lists such as List of battles and other violent events by death toll, and this article's creation goes against Wikipedia's standards of proposing for it and seeking a consensus (as it was done right off the bat without anyone else being aware of it), WP:NOTCENSORED is being violated by the redacting of names. Parsley Man (talk) 00:09, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So debate in favor of re-addition of the names, not of deletion of the article. I simply loathe it when people want to delete articles because their current content violates a "rule", when they could simply be fixed to adhere to that rule instead. As to rampage killers, I'd say the topic of massacres is a lot more notable than the topic of individual killers (note that single massacres may be performed by more than one individual). By the way, creation of articles doesn't have to follow any particular standards of proposing it etc etc. In fact, there is a "WP:Be bold and just do it" "standard". LjL (talk) 00:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thing is, the List of rampage killers (school massacres) article, which DOES include the names, has already been restored. And what kind of standard is that?! It sounds like it could lead to some problems. Parsley Man (talk) 00:21, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If the two articles entirely overlap each other, then they can be merged, without a need for deleting one of them. The "standard" is a Wikipedia guideline, and while of course it must be applied in concert with all the other guidelines, it seems to have contributed to creating a successful encyclopedia where people are bold and edit. LjL (talk) 00:48, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I give up! Disregard this, please! Enjoy this terrible article! :( Parsley Man (talk) 00:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:45, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Urban Games (video game developer)

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Too small to be notable, fails WP:CORP JMHamo (talk) 20:31, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Not better convincing from the current article and information. SwisterTwister talk 05:25, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I couldn't find any coverage in a reliable source that was in-depth or independent from their game, Train Fever. -- ferret (talk) 02:31, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 03:56, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Angela Asare

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At best notable for a single event. Per WP:NOPAGE should be on the pageant list of winners and not have a stand a lone article. Legacypac (talk) 20:10, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by page creator She has a stand alone page on Italian Wikipedia where I did the translation.She wasn't just a Miss Universe contestant she was also Miss Ghana.She was also the tallest contestant at the Miss Universe--Rberchie (talk) 20:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The tallest? Sounds like WP:TRIVIA Legacypac (talk) 23:05, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as Miss Ghana. I understand that winners of contests are subjects of some disagreement but such articles are generally kept as notable at the national level per our long-standing consensus. @Rberchie:, the fact that the subject of the article have a stand-alone page on Italian Wikipedia is not a valid reason for a stand-alone article on the English Wikipedia. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 21:35, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep per Wikicology. Nom is also merely arguing for a redirect, which is not an AFD discussion. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by admins since 2006. (talk) 23:19, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did not mention a redirect. I want a delete. Now stop staking me and my nominations. Legacypac (talk) 23:24, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AGF, I don't see any case of stalking or hounding here. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 23:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Legacypac, stop making false personal attacks. You've nominated an page for deletion after I declined a speedy earlier today. And this isn't even the first time today. It's certainly not me who's doing the stalking. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by admins since 2006. (talk) 23:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stop the trolling Wolfowitz. Legacypac (talk) 02:32, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per WP:GNGBabbaQ (talk) 00:22, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I added a source, wikilinks and corrected some details. Keep, because she won the Miss Universe Ghana contest, she was Ghanaian national ambassador for AIDS awareness, she was the face of RUNWAY AFRICA 2007, the first African fashion show in the US. And if you look at Category:Miss Universe 2006 contestants you will see that taking part in the Miss Universe competition should be sufficient for notability. Besides, is it not like each country sends their local winner to the competition so for taking part you should have already one the national beauty contest, which generates notability imho. --Gereon K. (talk) 19:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The article's subject is found to lack notability. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 03:53, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Old khiva hotel

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No indication that this hotel meets the general notability guideline. Pichpich (talk) 19:38, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be a modern hotel built in 2012. I propose to move this stub to Wikivoyage or just delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NearEMPTiness (talk • contribs)

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Delete as not even any minimal signs of a better article, not to mention better in-depth. SwisterTwister talk 22:58, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Snow Keep. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010^Talk 00:40, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Seaton (sailor)

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Delete: non-notable as sailor or in any other way. Possibly too soon. Quis separabit? 19:28, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Verifiable Olympic competitor.[1] All Olympic competitors and Paralympic medalists are presumed notable per WP:NSPORT. • Gene93k (talk) 04:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Olympic competitor, in 2016 Olympics, silver in the World Cup, gold in 49er class in Sail For Gold, and loads of coverage. ^~~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~~ 04:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. As per Gene93k, Olympians automatically notable. (Have added more direct ref. in article.)--A bit iffy (talk) 04:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Double Olympian.--Donniediamond (talk) 13:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As an Olympic competitor he clearly meets WP:NSPORT - Basement12 (T.C) 16:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to United States Senate election in Florida, 2016. The article's subject is found to currently lack notability. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 03:55, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Todd Wilcox

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WP:BLP of a person notable primarily as a candidate in a party primary for a future election. As always, this is not a claim of notability that gets a person into Wikipedia in and of itself — if you cannot make and properly source a credible claim that he was already eligible for a Wikipedia article for some other reason before he became a candidate, then he does not become notable enough for a Wikipedia article until he wins the election. This article, however, fails to properly demonstrate that he had preexisting notability as a businessman: his business career is sourced entirely to mentions of it by way of background information in coverage of the candidacy, which is not how you get a person over our inclusion rules for businesspeople either. Wikipedia is not a public relations platform on which political candidates are entitled to maintain campaign brochures. Delete, without prejudice against recreation in November if he wins the Senate seat. Bearcat (talk) 19:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to United States Senate election in Florida, 2016 where all the candidates can be described in a neutral fashion. As it is, this article is more like a campaign brochure than an encyclopedia article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as mentioned, questionable for his own article yet. SwisterTwister talk 07:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to United States Senate election in Florida, 2016 as suggested above. Per nom., not yet notable enough for his own article (as he will be if he wins the election).--Newbreeder (talk) 21:42, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:40, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I couldn't verify that this meets WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG Boleyn (talk) 18:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as my searches found nothing better than one link at Times of Malta. SwisterTwister talk 05:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:SIGCOV.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:35, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maya (2015 UK film)

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Non-notable movie. I don't see any reliable secondary sources (only IMDB and the web page of the producing company). Vanjagenije (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless better WP:RS shows up. Article created by COI editor, likely promotional. There is another film with the same name also in 2015 which is muddying up searches.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 19:00, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per lacking the coverage to meet WP:NF. Perhaps when we have confirmation of release and some coverage, the topic can be re-visited. For now it is simply TOO SOON. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 22:23, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted as no indication of importance; there was an earlier version, properly speedy deleted as advertising DGG ( talk ) 19:38, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Children's Heaven

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A worthy organization, perhaps, but not one that has attracted much notice from the world at large. The only cited source is the organization itself, and searches of the usual Google types, HighBeam, and EBSCO found nothing more about this "Children's Heaven" than this passing mention. So does not meet WP:NGO. Worldbruce (talk) 18:05, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I have speedy tagged. SwisterTwister talk 06:22, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The article's subject is found to lack notability. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 05:28, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fairyland (video game)

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Article topic, an MMORPG video game, lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. (?) It had no meaningful hits in a video game reliable sources custom Google search. Its only hits were directory pages, press releases, or one-sentence mentions—nothing in depth. There are no worthwhile redirect targets. If someone finds more (non-English and offline) sources, please {{ping}} me. czar 17:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as still questionably notable despite the listed links. SwisterTwister talk 06:30, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Michig (talk) 19:01, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

River Lea (song)

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I've never seen an article in mainspace which lacks notability more than this does, and see another editor fight for it to stay in mainspace as much as this article. I mean, seriously. Three short sentences, a chart table with two chartings, and two references. There is nothing notable about this song, it's not a single, there's no third party sources or independant coverage, it hasn't won any awards or been nominated for any. Letting the article remain in mainspace in order for it to "expand over time" in the hope that it will become notable is not a good enough reason for it stay in mainspace, AnotherBeliever. You insist on the article not being redirect and keep reverting multiple editors who are redirecting these non-notable articles. — Calvin999 17:39, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I reverted twice, but another editor reverted the redirect as well. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not because they agree that it is notable, I have to add. Only for the debate on it's notability. — Calvin999 17:46, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no independent coverage (outside of album reviews/Adele's own commentary) from any credible sources, though I should note that whether a song is a single is not an automatic indicator of notability. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Per nominator's rationale which is pretty solid. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 20:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets both WP:GNG and WP:NSONG. Multiple instances of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Charting in at least two countries. Here are some sample instances of coverage (collapsed for convenience):

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Significant coverage

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/24/457252109/you-cant-prepare-yourself-a-conversation-with-adele

Major discussion within album reviews

Significant details within album reviews/previews

More significant details

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That's all very well and good supplying sources, but they aren't any use here. The article is still not notable. — Calvin999 22:18, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean? Why aren't these sources any use? They seem quite appropriate. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:20, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Because this is an AfD? No one reading the article can see these sources or the info they may contain about the song. These sources need to be put in the article, but you don't wanna do that. The time you've spent finding sources and going back and forth here, you could have finished the article or at least had something possibly half way decent to save it from being deleted. — Calvin999 22:26, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but notability is not established based on the length of an article. Yes, these sources should be added to the article, but this is a discussion about notability, not an article quality assessment. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Notability (music) does note that songs must have enough material to grow beyond a stub, though. Even if all the sources listed above were implemented, album reviews and Adele's own commentary DO NOT COUNT as sufficient coverage to warrant a song article. Of the sources listed, the only ones that really give a quality amount of detail are those first two links from The Guardian (the credibility of "Bustle" is questionable). Multiple links from one publication essentially count as one source talking about something, and one good publication covering the song independently (outside of album reviews/artist commentary) simply isn't enough. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:33, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Bustle questionable? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:44, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Because they don't have much (if any) evidence of journalistic credibility Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:13, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is very vague, and perhaps a minority opinion. Do you know if a discussion has been had about this reliability of this magazine? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:18, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Softlavender's research (thank you for collecting and posting here, by the way). There is certainly enough coverage to establish notability and justify an article. Yes, the article needs to be expanded, but there is no basis for deletion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:19, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- There are three sentences and two sources in the article. Perfect reason for deletion. This article is the definition of not passing GNG. — Calvin999 22:26, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Calvin999, inclusion on Wikipedia is based on notability, not on what the current state of the Wikipedia article is. You misunderstand WP:AfD and the deletion process. Moreover, you are expected to do WP:BEFORE (please read all of that, particularly B2, C1, D1, and D3) prior to nominating an article for deletion. Hopefully going forward you will remember that. Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 22:34, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'm not the only one who has voted delete in these nominations. I've pointed out why it's not notable. If you choose to not agree, then that's your prerogative. — Calvin999 22:58, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Since the nominator, Calvin999 does not seem to understand the point the other posters are making that notability is not determined by what is actually in the article, but by what sources can be found, I went ahead and added a few, fleshing out the article. Calvin999 does have a point, though, that it's better to add the sources to the article, and it didn't take me very long to add what I did. Passes GNG. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 01:10, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for actually adding some, but I would disagree that I am not understanding other points made. If you want to make that case, then they aren't understanding what I am saying, either. — Calvin999 08:27, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak to moderate Keep per chart positions and statements from the participants about this passing GNG. Article's a bit short right now, but I think it could be kept. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī 06:20, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Looks promising by the sources provided above that this article can grow, though I must add that this song is not notable by charting alone. --MaranoFan (talk) 09:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - between the source hunting and the charting, I believe WP:NSONGS/WP:GNG is satisfied. Sergecross73 msg me 16:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The article's subject is found to lack notability. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 05:30, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Takuyo

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This topic, a Japanese company, lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. (?) It had no meaningful hits in a video game reliable sources custom Google search. There were no new sources from a project-wide discussion (Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Sources_for_Japanese_companies) and no sources to crib from the jawp article. There are no worthwhile redirect targets (though perhaps Kaitou Apricot if it is indeed their most notable game). If someone finds more (non-English and offline) sources, please {{ping}} me. czar 17:28, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as questionably notable as mentioned, currently questionable with the current information and sourcing. SwisterTwister talk 05:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Uniana

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This topic, a Korean video game company, lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. (?) It had no meaningful hits in a video game reliable sources custom Google search. There were no new sources from a project-wide discussion (Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Sources_for_Japanese_companies) and no sources to crib from the frwp article. There are no worthwhile redirect targets. If someone finds more (non-English and offline) sources, please {{ping}} me. czar 17:24, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Subject lacks notability and coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains (talk) 17:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as, from how it currently seems, this is questionably solid notable. SwisterTwister talk 05:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The article's subject is found to lack notability. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 05:30, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tatsumi (company)

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This topic, a Japanese video game company, lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. (?) It had no meaningful hits in a video game reliable sources custom Google search. There were no new sources from a project-wide discussion (Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Sources_for_Japanese_companies) and no sources to crib from the jawp article. There are no worthwhile redirect targets. If someone finds more (non-English and offline) sources, please {{ping}} me. czar 17:22, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as the article also currently seems questionable, nothing obviously convincing yet. SwisterTwister talk 05:30, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Any editor may create a redirect if desired. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:23, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Deadly Deposits

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I find no evidence that this film meets the notability guidelines under WP:GNG or WP:NFILM. —Largo Plazo (talk) 16:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Short film lacks notability and significant coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains (talk) 17:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No indication of notability or reliable source coverage — I even did a ProQuest Canadian Newsstand Major Dailies search on it, and found a few namechecks of its existence but nothing substantive enough to support an article. I briefly had this notion that I had seen this film's name in the process of reformatting Academy of Canadian Cinema and Television Award for Best Animated Short last week, and was mentally composing a keep rationale on those grounds — but it turns out I was misremembering how and where I had seen it. Bearcat (talk) 20:13, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect this to a sourced mention in articles on director J. Falconer (article pending) or the husband/wife writing team of Alison Snowden & David Fine. Without newspaper commentary, this still apparently has just enough "note" to have been written of in multiple books.[2][3][4][5] So even without media review, we have enough verifiability for it to be written of in other places. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 22:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. It seems the article creator simply didn't understand that being produced by a notable film organization doesn't confer notability onto each of its films, automatically. He says he now understands, based on an exchange one can see on the nominator's user talk page. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:16, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

QLOC

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Article was reverted out of move to draftspace. The company QLOC is not the subject of significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. (?) It had no meaningful hits in a video game reliable sources custom Google search, which provides a torrent of one-sentence mentions (mainly that QLOC is the localizer for a single game) and nothing in-depth about the company or its history, even from our Polish sources. Anything at greater length is a press release, such as a job listing, and that doesn't count for notability. I would be fine with a redirect to the mention I added at Capcom#History, since the two companies are documented as working together. If someone finds more (non-English and offline) sources, please {{ping}} me. czar 16:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as the company is unlikely solidly independently notable for a separate article, perhaps best known through the listed games. SwisterTwister talk 05:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ~~Redirect~~ - nomination sums it up pretty well - sources make passing mentions here and there, but none cover the company itself in significant detail. ~~I do think it would be a plausible search term though, considering the passing mentions and sources that can verify bare-bones facts about the company.~~ It seems a redirect could be more complicated than I thought, and isn't getting any consensus here so far, so no need to hold things up. I'm not against one, but don't find it to be crucial either. Sergecross73 msg me 19:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per WP:GNG and nom. If redirected, the target should be parent company 1C Company. -- ferret (talk) 02:10, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see how this CORPSPAM passes WP:COMPANY. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 17:26, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arguably eligible for CSD A7 as there appears to be no claim to significance in the article. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:10, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AskGamblers

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Non-notable website that fails to meet either WP:NWEB or WP:GNG. SmartSE (talk) 14:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I tagged it for further sourcing and the current article is simply seeming not yet convincing enough. SwisterTwister talk 05:33, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non notable website fails WP:WEB and WP:SIGCOV.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:56, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator with no !votes to delete. (non-admin closure) shoy (reactions) 19:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yentaganahalli nelamangala

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Unclear article. I see that a speedy deletion tag was removed but the actual revision is concealed so I cannot see the exact content of the nomination. The article itself is brief and incoherent, the only source is a blog so I'm not seeing convincing evidence of notability here. Since the speedy was removed I am bringing to AFD. Mabalu (talk) 12:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep While the article itself appears to be fairly terrible, there is long standing consensus that inhabited places can have articles on them if they are shown to exist. Per WP:NGEO: "Legally recognized, populated places are presumed to be notable". While English sourcing is poor it does exist Google Maps View, One Five Nive lookup, India by road. This subject meets those criteria and therefore can be kept as a suitable stub can be created. Winner 42 Talk to me! 19:12, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move to Yentaganahalli or ~~"Yentaganahalli, Nelamangala"~~ "Yentaganahalli, Bangalore Rural". Verifiable village of ~1,160 people according to the 2011 Indian Census.[6] Passes WP:NGEO. • Gene93k (talk) 04:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comment. I just did some basic cleanup. It still needs work. • Gene93k (talk) 04:58, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to withdraw; Comment - I've removed the last passage which made very little sense and the citation was to a blog apparently advertising someone's medical services. Move sounds good. Am happy to withdraw nom and see page moved to Yentaganahalli. Mabalu (talk) 10:15, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Non-notable event Acroterion (talk) 13:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeshiva week

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It is a local event. Tone is mean-ish, and it isn't supported by any sources. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 11:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete under WP:A7. — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 12:56, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 03:59, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Send My Love (To Your New Lover)

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This article quite clearly lacks notability. Yes it charted in 11 countries, but that doesn't make it so. There's only song reviews as part of an album review, there's no independant coverage, no other third party sources, no awards or special recognition, it's not a single. There's no point creating articles for the sake of doing so, and that is what is being done here. People can go on about letting it be improved over time all they like, but until then, it will still be not notable for mainspace. if you really feel that strongly about the article staying, be bold and improve it yourself steadfastly so there's actually something worth reading instead of just saying to let it ride and see how it goes. — Calvin999 11:30, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, of course. The song is notable. It has charted in close to a dozen countries. Yes, the article needs to be expanded, but that is not a reason to delete it. Let's keep the article so people can expand it over time. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you not just copy and paste your reason from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Million Years Ago (song) please. None of your reason for voting keep explains how this is notable. Have you even looked at what constitutes a notable article and what requirements it needs to pass? — Calvin999 17:34, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - There is nothing wrong with doing so if the same reasoning applies. Yes, I have looked at what constitutes a notable article, and I've cast my vote accordingly. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:39, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, I'm left questioning your right to be able to edit on Wikipedia then, because you are not adhering to what constitutes a notable article/choosing to ignore it on purpose. Multiple editors have expressed that these articles are not notable and you keep reverting everyone without valid reasons in your summaries which could be interpreted as WP:OWN. Someone of your edit count and longevity of contribution should know the rules better. — Calvin999 17:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      - I am reverting because I believe the topics are notable and should be kept. Others have also reverted the redirects. There is no need to question my ability to edit Wikipedia. We simply disagree, and now we have this space for discussing the song's notability. Let's let others participate in the discussion. Thanks, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:56, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        You are reverting because you believe that the articles are notable. One other editor has reverted because he thinks that the right place for discussion is AfD. Two different things. — Calvin999 18:00, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        You are right, I did revert because I believe this song is notable. Let's please stop going back and forth and just let others participate in the discussion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:03, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        No one is stopping anyone from participating. Believing something is notable is different to it actually being notable. — Calvin999 18:04, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge to 25 (Adele album) per the guidelines in WP:NSONG "Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability. If the only coverage of a song occurs in the context of reviews of the album on which it appears, that material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created." I cannot find any coverage of the song outside that context so merging seems appropriate. Winner 42 Talk to me! 18:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Softlavender. Good work finding significant coverage outside of the context of an album review. Winner 42 Talk to me! 11:36, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nominator and Winner 42, AB, love your work but its getting really repetitive with creation of articles failing WP:NSONGS. And yes, I do add my comment after researching something and seeing if its worth keeping or not, which this one does not. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 20:09, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- For the record, I didn't create this stub. I created the original redirect. Please do not accuse me of repeatedly creating articles that fail NSONGS. There is nothing wrong with creating valid, purposeful redirects. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:30, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, your comments seem to contradict what you said here. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, I explained why later. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 13:54, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Nominator failed to do WP:BEFORE. Easily meets both WP:GNG and WP:NSONGS. Charting in at least 12 countries that we know of. There is a massive amount of significant independent coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, including multiple full articles on this song:

Click to view abundant sources

Full articles

Significant coverage

Major discussion within album reviews

Significant details within album reviews

More significant details

Charts, etc.

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Keep per Softlavender. Clearly passes WP:GNG. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:10, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep per Softlavender, and I would ask y'all to stop blaming Another Believer for anything, he has done nothing but improve the article. --MaranoFan (talk) 09:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Improved? Clearly you haven't checked the article history. — Calvin999 09:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - I have not expanded the article, but thanks, Marano, for your contributions. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:05, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per the many sources that cover it in significant detail, and charting in so many different countries. No offense, the nominators of all these Adele songs recently really need to slow down and re-evaluate their thoughts on notability. These have been some pretty rough nominations. Sergecross73 msg me 19:45, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep, as per SoftLavender. Hallward's Ghost ^(Kevin) ^{(My talkpage)} 22:15, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 04:00, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Martiros of Crimea

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Fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:GNG. Search brings up only one reliable source. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 11:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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@DatGuy: Could you please explain what you think is problematic with the references listed in Մարտիրոս Ղրիմեցի? --Hegvald (talk) 17:40, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Hegvald: If so, then it should also be in the EN Wiki article, and not just in the Armenian one. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 18:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- strong, easy keep: a 17th c. poet whose works are still being republished into the late 20th c. (see worldcat: [7]) is an easy keep as a notable author. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 18:35, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Subject is described in various encyclopedia articles, including in "A Reference Guide to Modern Armenian Literature" and "A Concise History of the Armenian People". Having been noted in such ways is an obvious demonstration of WP notability. Agricola44 (talk) 20:04, 24 January 2016 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 04:01, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mister Global

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Non-notable business that has hosted 2 events. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH anf WP:EVENT with only 16 and 21 entrants. Previous AfD had 3 deletes and one keep, Legacypac (talk) 10:30, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Has been up for deletion one time before. Sources indicates that the pageant is notable in Asia. Has been hosted twice, and it does not matter if it has been hosted twice or 50 times if the pageant is notable. per sources I am !voting keep.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:13, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Winners of contests at the national level are generally kept per our long-standing consensus. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 21:55, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep likely and I would've closed as such as this seems keepable and also improvable if needed, likely not of deletion importance. SwisterTwister talk 06:26, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Michig (talk) 09:56, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Million Years Ago (song)

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Fails WP:NSONGS, without any independent third party notability its just a bunch of chart information which are easily available at Adele discography. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 09:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Quite clearly not notable at all. No prose. All very well people saying that not every article needs to be GA standard in terms of prose, but at the same time, there actually needs to be something to read. If people feel that passionately, be bold and improve it yourself. — Calvin999 11:22, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, of course. The song is notable. It has charted in at least a dozen countries. Yes, the article needs to be expanded, but that is not a reason to delete it. Let's keep the article so people can expand it over time. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's no such thing as a song being notable. The article needs to be notable. The article being so short with next to no valuable or interesting prose is a reason to list it for deletion. No one will expand this over time. — Calvin999 17:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Yes, there is such a thing as a song being notable. This song is notable, and should therefore have a Wikipedia article. Just because the article is short doesn't mean it can't be kept and expanded, nor is there a reason to assume that no one will ever be willing to make improvements. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:37, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please elucidate upon how this song is notable, using the notability guidelines. — Calvin999 17:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. I'm sure you are familiar with Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Songs, which says songs are notable if they "have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label". Yes, it also says, "coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability", but this is not a problem for "Million Years Ago":

Extended content

Yes, I realize some of these sources are repetitive, but publications around the world have discussed this song. Here are some other sources that could be used:

Keep in mind the song has charted in multiple nations. Between the composition details, chart success, and live performances, there is certainly enough to justify an article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And so why are these not in the article? They aren't much use otherwise. Catch my drift? Charting does not automatically invoke notability, by the way. It's not as if the song hit number-one or is certified, either. Instead of arguing and pasting a load of URLs here, why don't you be WP:BOLD and get on with trying to save this article and improve it right now? Otherwise, this article will be deleted. You would earn my respect if you actually actioned what you are saying instead of just talking about it. — Calvin999 17:56, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why aren't the sources in the article? Because someone hasn't added them yet. That doesn't mean the song is non-notable and so the article should be deleted, sorry. I understand that charting doesn't automatically mean notability, hence why I posted a number of articles above. And no offense, but I don't edit Wikipedia for your respect. I may get around to expanding this article, but I am making no promises at this time. Again, just because I am not willing to stop everything and expand this article per your demand does not mean this song is not notable and worthy of a Wikipedia article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:00, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And probably never would, at least not all of them. You keep saying it's notable and should stay, but not willing to do something about it and commit to actually improving it. In the time :that we have been going back and forth, you could have considerably expanded it by now. — Calvin999 18:02, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. But my time has instead been wasted defending the deletion of a notable song. It seems you are punishing me and the article for not being willing to personally expand it at this very moment. Wikipedia is a longterm project, a work in progress. There are major improvements that can be made to this article. I hope other editors will agree that the song is notable and the article should be kept. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the article is nominated for deletion right now, and there's no time like the present to save it from being deleted, or least try to. AfD is not a long term process. The notability lies in the sourcing. At the moment, there is no notability. — Calvin999 18:10, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts exactly. AB you create stub class articles and then cry foul when someone redirects and nominates for deletion. Its getting annoying now, if you are so bothered about articles, why can't you just expand them in your sandbox and then move them into mainspace? That's what I always do and god forbid none of which I created have ever been nominated. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 20:11, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not mischaracterize me. I did not create this stub. I created the original redirect. I am not crying foul. I am simply expressing my opinion which is that this song is notable and worthy of its own Wikipedia article. Nothing more. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:27, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete only one source gives any quality amount independent of coverage, and charts (or lack thereof) are NOT an automatic indicator notability. One good source alone simply isn't enough to warrant an article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- As evidenced above, there are plenty of sources to integrate into the article. And no one has said the song is notable only because of its charting success. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:05, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Easily meets both WP:GNG and WP:NSONGS. Charting in 13 countries thus far; dozens of full articles on the song itself (including full articles in non-English publications). Here is just a sample of the voluminous coverage the song has received thus far (I'm hatting it so it doesn't overwhelm this page):

Click to view

Full articles

More full articles -- so-called "plagiarism" and similarities

Significant information

Cogent discussion within album reviews

Charts

-- Softlavender (talk) 19:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But the sources are not in the article at present. You can't presume notability based on what could be added. Also, charting does not automatically mean it is notable. — Calvin999 21:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See below. And again, no one is suggesting that charting alone is enough to establish notability. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Sources provided show clear indication meets WP:GNG.Blethering Scot 20:30, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- But the sources are not in the article at present. You can't presume notability based on what could be added. — Calvin999 21:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Actually, per WP:AfD, "If you find that adequate sources do appear to exist, the fact that they are not yet present in the article is not a proper basis for a nomination." ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - And the point of posting this when I nominated it prior to you finding sources is? My point still stands, even if you were to add these, that's not a guarantee that the article will suddenly become notable. And as you're not willing to add them anytime soon. — Calvin999 22:20, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      - What do you mean the article needs to be notable? We are determining whether or not the song is notable. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:22, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        If you haven't got enough third party content to attribute to the song, then the article is not notable. — Calvin999 22:23, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Calvin999, inclusion on Wikipedia is based on notability, not on what the current state of the Wikipedia article is. You misunderstand WP:AfD and the deletion process. Softlavender (talk) 22:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC); edited 22:42, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No I don't. It's not notable. End of. — Calvin999 22:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, clearly. This song far exceeds the requirements of WP:GNG, as evidenced by the long list of news articles about this song linked above. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:08, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep per above arguments by Another Believer, Softlavender, Jonesey95 and Blethering Scot. --MaranoFan (talk) 09:32, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think there's a strong argument for notability between the sources presented, charting in so many different countries, and nationwide televised performances of the song. Sergecross73 msg me 19:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, noting that we do not usually merge unsourced content. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2005 Miss Global Beauty Queen

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Fails WP:GNG, no sources conform WP:RS. The few pieces of information can be merged with Miss Global Beauty Queen. The Banner talk 07:46, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Delete not notable minor event. Few participants. Legacypac (talk) 09:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There are no sources cited in this article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 09:41, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Miss Global Beauty Queen and keep the edit history. -Zanhe (talk) 06:35, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. pure promotion of his CV DGG ( talk ) 17:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Deepak Arora

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Article created by an SPA which doesn't appear to meet WP:BIO or one of the common exceptions such as CEOs - this individual listed as "Joint Managing Director". Brianhe (talk) 05:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable manager of a non-notable business. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:13, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Cullen. Vanamonde93 (talk) 07:15, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as quite obviously not a better notable article now. SwisterTwister talk 07:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ETA RAM

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ETA-RAM fails the WP:Notability policy. The article claims that ETA-RAM is a novel random-access memory, and makes several vague and dubious claims concerning its novelty, none of which cite sources considered to be reliable per WP:RS. The references and external links provided by the article are identical and broken. A Google web search for ETA-RAM site:etasemi.com does not even return any results for this technology. The Eta Semiconductor site lists on high-frequency power converters and radio-frequency receivers as the only products and technologies of this company. It could be possible that ETA RAM was discontinued (which casts doubt on its claimed merits), but the Wayback Machine does not have any archived pages from etasemi.com because the site is excluded by a robots.txt file. A Google Web search for ETA-RAM -Wikipedia returns no relevant (that is, results that are not copies of this article) results in the first 100 results. A Google Books and Scholar search for ETA-RAM "ETA Semiconductor" returns no exact (or relevant) results for former, and no results for the latter. A Google Scholar search for author:"Eta Semiconductor returns 16 US patents. Of these 16 patents, 8 pertain to power converters, 4 to capacitors, and 4 to transistors. A quick read of their abstracts, and a search of these results, does not suggest that these patents describe technologies whose application is computer memory, nor have these patents been cited by any relevant item that would suggest that the described technologies were in any way notable. Search for the ETA-RAM keyword and Eta Semiconductor in author affiliations at the IEEE Xplore Digital Library returned no results. A search of EE Times site for ETA-RAM and Eta Semiconductor returned no results. If ETA-RAM was such a novel and groundbreaking technology, one would expect that there be results on Google Web, Books, and Scholar. ETA-RAM would be presented at IEEE conferences or in IEEE journals. The EE Times would have covered ETA-RAM and Eta Semiconductor. AZ1199 (talk) 05:27, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - this is at best a poorly researched article, at worst a hoax (perhaps why the author blanked it in 2014). A few books by one publisher like this appear which appear with this term, but they seem to have lifted text from Wikipedia's Computer memory article. Brianhe (talk) 06:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Lacks third party sources to back its claim of novelty and fails WP:SIGCOV.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. The article's subject is found to have been covered significantly by multiple reliable sources independent of the subject, and is therefore notable. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 06:19, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Kao Se Tseien

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I can't find evidence that this is a notable person. At best, this is someone who could have been (unsourced of course) the oldest Catholic priest in modern times (whatever "modern times" means) and the oldest ever person to have had a cataract operation (if that's really worth keep tracking of). Of the sources provided, one is a WP:ROUTINE obituary, the other was the GRG's excel spreadsheet of verified supercentenarian from which we should infer that his lack of listing means that he would have been somewhere on these things ~~and three links which all seem dead links now.~~ Ricky81682 (talk) 23:27, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I found an archived version of the Standard article here - it is Guinness who claims the oldest Catholic priest and oldest person to have a cataract operation so that helps. Still it's not clear to me that he's notable. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:34, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But what about being the oldest Catholic priest to get a cataract operation? Surely that's notable??? E Eng 15:09, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to wherever, if there is a wherever. Minor coverage. E Eng 15:09, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I saw his picture and immediately decided to adopt him! Ill try to find more material on him over the next week so please don't delete.Notgoingtotellyou (talk) 23:14, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. In his latter years, there had been much biographical coverage of him. They come from various news sources in various places where he worked - 2003, Taiwanese religious source, 2005 The Standard, Hong Kong - and obituaries from major non-religious news outlets in Hong Kong: RTHK, Apple Daily. I think these add up to a WP:GNG pass with "persistent coverage" in multiple independent sources. Der yck C. 21:55, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional keep The article says Guinness World Records verified that he was the oldest person to ever have cataract surgery and was the oldest priest in modern times. If that is so and they haven't stripped him of such titles, then it means they verified his birth date. If that is the case, he is one of the verified oldest men ever (and should therefore be included on that page, by the way). But if they disavowed his validation for those titles, then my vote is a delete. 66.168.191.92 (talk) 23:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and support including him in oldest people lists as there are not enough Chinese there due to bias by GRG editors. We even have a photo! Legacypac (talk) 04:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I had my doubts as to his notability, but the consensus seems to be to keep, so I will not dissent. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:30, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for lack of notability. Just about all of the sources, both in the article and at this discussion, are local. And they point to very little in the way of notable achievements. Here's a machine translation of the substantive portion of the brief article in the Taiwan source:

A priest who does not charge, how can such a big business, but on Notre Dame as his background. Effectiveness of evangelization is staggering: in his missionary career, took 50 young church members follow the call, successful young men, as a priest five successful about 20 nuns, really admire.

Author lives in only two nuns who have led successful, aided the ten young men and women on the road to call, it's hard. His amazing health and old age, with "seven" as his motto: first, don't smoke. Second, does not drink alcohol. Third, not angry. Four, do not worry. Five, not eating too much. Six, in constant motion. Seven, continuous prayer.

That's pretty much all that can be said about the subject -- he lived a long time and inspired about 50 guys to become priests. As for the Guiness record for being the oldest priest in modern times, I checked their site and couldn't find corroboration of it. However, the Vatican source tells us that he was (in February 2007) the oldest living priest. That same source tells us that the oldest priest in modern times was Alvaro Fernandez, who died in 1998. Fernandez doesn't have an article here, and neither should the subject. NewYorkActuary (talk) 22:16, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I understand, the Guinness World Records website is not a complete searchable database of every record they've ever recognised. The comparison with Alvaro Fernandez amounts to Wikipedia:Other stuff which isn't a good argument in AfD. Der yck C. 21:10, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Deryck Chan (talk · contribs)'s excellent research. The major newspaper The Standard provided substantial biographical material about the subject.
Mitchell, Justin (2005-10-08). "Priest confesses secrets of longevity". The Standard. Archived from the original on 2012-07-16. Retrieved 2016-01-31.
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At 108 years, the person who may be Hong Kong's oldest, a priest named Nicholas Kao Se Tseien, recommends having faith, doing exercise and caring for cats as ways to live longer.
What is official is that Kao, born in Fuzhou, Fujian province, on January 15, 1897, is listed in the Guinness World Records both as the oldest Catholic priest and oldest person to have a cataract operation, which he had in May.
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A resident at Lantau's Our Lady of Joy Trappist monastery for the last 32 years, Kao's gospel for a long life combines common sense and religious devotion. Eschew tobacco, intoxication, gluttony, anger and rudeness in favor of exercise, humility, charity, goodness, prayer, patience and piety.
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Kao, one of four brothers, converted to Catholicism at age 18 while attending a Fuzhou school run by Spanish Dominican friars. His Buddhist father, a school teacher, was "very open- minded," Kao recalled with a smile, "and let me do it." Members of his family later followed his example and were baptized as Catholics.
Though trained as a teacher and studying law at night, Kao decided to become a priest after the sudden death of a dear friend, a Spanish friar.
In a life that has bridged three centuries, Kao said he is fortunate to have lived through 10 popes and two Chinese emperors and to have voted for Sun Yat Sen as president of China in 1912.
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When pressed on what "knife accident" he escaped from, he said it was an operation for colon cancer at age 107.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Nicholas Kao Se Tseien to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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Keep. If someone can be on Wikipedia for formerly being the world's smallest/tallest/*insertsuperlativehere* person, so can this man. Provided, of course, that verifiable sources can be found. 8bitW (talk) 19:45, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 10:01, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Purulia Panthers

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Article is about a team in the Bengal Celebrity League (cricket). I can find no significant coverage about this team. The league itself has garnered some attention, but there is no article Wikipedia about the league that could be used as a redirect or merge target. Whpq (talk) 20:48, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Only an amateur outfit in a minor league Seasider91 (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Not notable. IgnorantArmies (talk) 06:49, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
delete general consensus in WP that teams playing in very low level leagues are not notable. LibStar (talk) 14:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and restart at best when better. SwisterTwister talk 06:25, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep, noting that the nominator has withdrawn their nomination and there are no other arguments for deletion.--Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:02, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Debunkify

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I couldn't verify that this meets WP:NOTABILITY. Boleyn (talk) 21:02, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Well, there's [8] in AdWeek and [9] in PRWeek. I'm not sure about the notability, but it got non-local coverage. If it exists, maybe local Ohio sources could be used to flesh it out beyond these sources. The problem is that I'm not really finding much. There's [10] in The Lima News and another hit listed in the article, but I was expecting more. I'm curious what others think. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:13, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep – Meets WP:GNG on a weak basis. Source examples include: [11], [12], [13], [14]. There's also coverage in college newspapers: [15], [16], but these latter types of sources are not typically used to establish notability. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I guess there's enough coverage to at least make it debatable, though I think college newspapers would have to be scrutinized before being used as a reliable source. I generally disregard them. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw nomination for all comments above. Thanks for your help, Boleyn (talk) 14:12, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:50, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Will Coghlan

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Founder of non-notable organisations. I couldn't establish that he meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 20:57, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as certainly questionably notable for the applicable notability guidelines, nothing else currently better convincing. SwisterTwister talk 05:26, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom Fails WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, noting also that we do not usually merge content and then delete the page as the history needs to be retained for attribution purposes. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:42, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Miss World runners-up and finalists

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Contentfork of the year-articles. No need for a separate article. Fancruft. The Banner talk 23:05, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. However, if List of Miss World titleholders cannot fulfill its duties, this list can take its place. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:54, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge the content to the List of Miss World titleholders then Delete.--Richie Campbell (talk) 03:31, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as not notable. The pageant company does not even publish such a list so it's hard to verify OR for us to publish this fancruft. The first comment is pretty funny Legacypac (talk) 11:39, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, there's agreement here that this is not an encyclopedic article. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:31, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Focus error

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I'm not sure what to make of this page - it is essentially two dictionary definitions for two different 'focus error's. I can't find that wither are notable. Boleyn (talk) 20:06, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete (or as a second choice, maybe redirect to Optical aberration?). The first sentence is WP:DICDEF, and the second is about a specific camera's hardware malfunctioning, most of which falls under WP:NOTGUIDE and the rest lacks notability. I could see a point for a stub article if there was a classical photography problem of bad focus due to some mechanical reason, with references etc. but that would be a different article than what exists now. Tigraan (talk) 10:36, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete it just seems to be a moan about a problem someone had with their specific camera Samatarou (talk) 03:45, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:33, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ali A Olomi

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Non-notable. Per AfD precedent, authorship is not coverage, sources must be about the subject, not just written by the subject. Regards, James(^talk/_contribs) 20:01, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- per Nom's reasons and graduate students except in truly exceptional circumstances are WP:TOOSOON for an article. Given the nature of his research and his relationship with Afghani leadership, it is quite likely that he'll pass WP:GNG long before reaching tenure or other general WP:PROF markers, but not yet. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 16:53, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. WP:TOOSOON for academic notability. He is more likely to be notable through WP:GNG; my searches didn't turn up much but that may be because of the language barrier. If someone turns up significant sources (not necessarily in English) that are independently and reliably published and cover the subject in-depth, I would be willing to change my mind. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Consensus appears clear after debate was re-listed. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 06:54, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Turco

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Non-notable magician. Aside from appear on reality show (doesn't appear to have won...just appeared), nothing seems significant. I don't think the one appearance makes him notable. only (talk) 19:34, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The subject meets WP:BASIC. Source examples include, but are not limited to: ^[1], ^[2], ^[3], ^[4], ^[5]. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:24, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Nathan Burton, Michael Turco reappear after disappearing act in tangle". LasVegasSun.com.
^ "Wayne native Michael Turco makes magical return". NorthJersey.com.
^ "Native Wayne illusionist Michael Turco launches YouTube series". NorthJersey.com.
^ "New Faces New Jersey-Magician Michael". New Jersey Monthly.
^ "Wayne Magician Michael Turco To Appear On 'Masters of Illusion' Second Season". Wayne, NJ Patch.

Keep In addition to the sources mentioned above, he received significant coverage in the New York Times when still a teenager. Fix the article; do not delete it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:27, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the link for The New York Times article: [17]. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:05, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep perhaps as this seems convincingly enough. SwisterTwister talk 06:20, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The sources cited by North America substantiate Mr. Turco's notability. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 07:04, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:25, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

David Bayne

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Doesn't appear to meet either GNG or PROF. John from Idegon (talk) 17:22, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article makes no real claim of notability for much more than existing, and the only non-primary source brought to bear at all is his WP:ROUTINE obituary in the local newspaper of the place where he was living at the time he died. A more substantive and better-sourced article might be possible, given some of the details suggested in the obituary, but none of it grants him an exemption from having to be properly sourced. Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if enough media coverage can be found to get him over a notability bar for something. Bearcat (talk) 22:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. can be recreated if more information is ever forthcoming — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs) 05:00, 30 January 2016‎

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The result was merge to Miss World. The list's subject is found to not meet the notability criteria for a stand-alone list. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 07:00, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Miss World hosts and invited artists

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unsourced and irrelevant fancruft The Banner talk 16:09, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to the Miss World article since the main article is a short one then fix the problem (verifiability). There are plenty of reliable, independent, third-party sources for the entries.--Richie Campbell (talk) 00:20, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to the Miss World article as above, there's enough notability for thatAtlantic306 (talk) 05:43, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The article's subject is found to lack notability. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 07:04, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lady Rose Gilman

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Non-notable person in the line of succession to the British throne. Has famous relations but struggles to have a good reason to have an article on her own merits and I'm not so sure that being an art assistant in films is that notable. This article is mainly about who she is related to and a minor wedding. Thanks. Re5x (talk) 15:50, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as non-notable. the sentence about her on her Dad's page is sufficient.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:04, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a junior member of the world's most renowned reining royal family, a great-granddaughter in the legitimate male-line of George V of the United Kingdom. Her marriage required the Royal Assent, making her a member of a very small class of persons, notable for proximity to the Crown in the Line of succession to the British throne. Events significant in her life are reported in the mainstream media. FactStraight (talk) 18:57, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment She is indeed a great-granddaughter of a monarch but that fact can be mentioned on her father's article. Just because she needed approval for her marriage does not warrant a whole biography on her as it is already can be seen on the Royal Marriages Act 1772 article. Please list these notable events which have garnered nobility wherein it was about her and not events where she happened to be a guest or received a passing mention because of her famous relations. Events notable to her personally and not in the greater scheme of things do not really count (mostly as tabloid-ish filler)... Wikipedia is not a genealogical website and being far in the line of succession does not automatically confer notability. Can you establish her notability by her own right? All I ask is to look at her as her own person... --Re5x (talk) 17:41, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. --Editor FIN (talk) 07:59, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. No claim to notability.--Donniediamond (talk) 13:33, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the article does not give evidence of notability beyond her inherited status.Atlantic306 (talk) 05:57, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, a clear consensus for delete following relisting. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:18, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Simone Lucchesi

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Non-notable strength and conditioning coach for American pro soccer team. Subject does not satisfy the specific notability guideline for association football/soccer players, managers and coaches per WP:NFOOTY, nor the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable, secondary sources. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:10, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 08:56, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:GNG JMHamo (talk) 11:35, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom.--Donniediamond (talk) 13:39, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom fails WP:SIGCOV.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:03, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - has held a position not considered inherently notable. no indication of sufficient significant coverage of his career to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 12:34, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
*Delete - Fails WP:GNG: no evidence of notability. - tucoxn\^talk 14:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Denma

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Notability. There's an assertion of notability here which is why I'm not speeding it, but there are no independent refs to back the assertion & a quick furtle about the Web does not bring up anything. TheLongTone (talk) 14:45, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I'm unsure if this should be kept or not but I was able to track down sources fairly quickly when I looked it up on google. Heres a long online article talking about the series coming back from it's hiatus: http://www.nocutnews.co.kr/news/4369080 . And here is some sort of blog type post about how either the comic or just characters from it are going to be in an online game: http://www.thisisgame.com/webzine/news/rboard/1/?n=65241 . I found a few other sources I was confident were not blogs but they are entertainment specific so I can't really tell how popular the comic is. Peachywink (talk) 18:31, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep might be more solid sources, but the nocutnews one looks fine (or so says my Google-translate-based reading. Hobit (talk) 06:02, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. The article's subject is found to be notable. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 07:19, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Patusan

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Does this fictional place in Joseph Conrad's novel Lord Jim really need its own article? The parts that are not simply in-universe details or insignificant could easily fit in the novel article. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:23, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and later redirect if needed as this is unlikely better notable for a separate article. SwisterTwister talk 06:25, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The article currently has two decent sources. Back in the first AfD debate in 2010, Novickas identified and linked to five book sources. I have looked at each of them briefly, and they all appear to devote significant coverage to this fictional country and the question of which real geographic locations inspired it. As we are talking about an element of a public domain literary classic written 115 years ago, there are no promotional concerns. The topic is notable and the path to improvement and expansion of the article is straightforward. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:22, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Thanks, User:Cullen328, for pointing to all the book mentions. (But wait, there's more since then.) A lot more could be written about it, but nothing substantive has been added since 2010. And the Lord Jim article is pretty slim so I suppose it could be merged there, leaving a redirect in case someone wants to work on it. One possible problem - this particular article/topic does have mentions in popular culture - see the The A.V. Club article titled "You won’t find it on a map: 11 fictional places that have appeared in multiple works" [18]. Integrating that info into the Lord Jim article without offending anyone seems hard to me since many Wikipedians dislike popular culture sections. Novickas (talk) 19:09, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Patusan appears in a major novel, at least two movies, and a TV series. No reason to delete it. Das Baz, aka Erudil 19:29, 20 January 2016 (UTC)Definitely keep! Das Baz, aka Erudil 19:30, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep @Novickas: Can you add the sources as further reading to help future expanders of the article and readers, find them? Sadads (talk) 23:26, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm not feeling up to that, but I can park some preview-available Gbook links here (published after 2010) that discuss P. to some extent: [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26]. Novickas (talk) 16:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep No reason to delete has been given and AFD is not cleanup. Andrew D. (talk) 17:30, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Sadads. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 06:16, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:51, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Sheep Thief

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Page was created by SPA/COI who has only ever made promotional edits on film director's page and associated subjects. There are no references. There's almost no content to it. Fails notability - won some very low level awards, with the best being 2nd place in a particular Cannes award - for which only 4 out of 54 (including this) of the top 3 films have articles (2 of the other 3 have significant other reasons for notability). Rayman60 (talk) 14:58, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded and citations added.

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~~Redirect~~ (& possible merge of whatever is sourcable) to filmmaker Asif Kapadia (and yes, his article itself needs work). Though there are exceptions, short student films, even grad films, rarely achieve notability. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 14:29, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Upped to weak keep as I could not let this rest. Looking, I was surprised (as many short films never receive such mention) to find the filmmaker and his grad film written of in enough sources[27] so I was able to take the article from this to THIS. That his grad film received a number of awards and television screenings causes me to believe it is a lot more notable than I originally assumed, as when even a young man's grad film receives a Grand Jury prize at Festival de Cannes, it gets attention. More to do... more to do. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 22:15, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:50, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Manas Saikia

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Premature. No indication that GNG is met. The only reference as of this version of the article was a faceless blog. Nothing via Google News (there is another Manas Saikia out there) and nothing significant to establish notability at the Indian newspaper search engine. While there are some mentions of him out there (like here), the reliability of those sources is questionable. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 09:20, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:42, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sheldon Zaharko

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC. Unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources. Most of the awards listed are for other artists and the majority of the ones for him are simply nominations. CNMall41 (talk) 08:58, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Created because he has been listed as a red link at The Warehouse Studio since 2014. Created based on satisfaction of notability guideline 8 at WP:MUSIC: "Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award." With Juno awards (and Grammys) all artists and technical engineers involved with an album of the year become recipients of the award. See Bob_Rock#Awards for similar inclusion. Musicdouche128 (talk) 14:30, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MUSICBIO (which I think is what you're referring to) applies only to musicians and ensembles, not to those who win for technical categories. There's rarely significant coverage of those who do technical work on an album. FuriouslySerene (talk) 00:13, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I can't find any coverage of this person, in reliable or non-reliable sources. Pretty clearly does not meet WP:GNG or WP:BIO. FuriouslySerene (talk) 00:13, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. He's had 2 actual nominations for Juno awards, in 2005 and 2007, per http://junoawards.ca/awards/?from-year=2005&to-year=2015&nomination-category=&wins-only=no&artist=Sheldon+Zaharko I don't think that's enough to deem him notable. PK T(alk) 17:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:38, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hari Niraula

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Self-created article, non-notable comedian, fails WP:ENT and WP:GNG Melcous (talk) 07:54, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as mentioned, certainly nothing to suggest a better applicably notable article for WP:CREATIVE. Notifying speedy tagger Randykitty. SwisterTwister talk 05:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Not enough in-depth coverage from reliable sources to show they meet notability criteria. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:09, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:49, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

IC3 (certification)

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Fails WP:GNG, the only source is a catalog listing type thing. Other online sources are of the same ilk: study guides, courses and test centers but nothing establishing notability. The book New Perspectives on Computer Concepts mentions it very much in passing [28]. Brianhe (talk) 06:27, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I suspect this is a taken-for-granted, low-priority subject among techie-type people (i.e., lots of Wikipedians). But it seems to be a primary and important program for people struggling to break into entry-level jobs. (Certiport also offers certifications in basic office software like Microsoft Office.) Probably the reason so many catalog entries come up in a Google search is that training for the certificate is widespread. Sifting through them, though, there are some pretty good sources out there that could help build a solid article. The book Resources for Student Assessment discusses how it was developed and some of its history (at least up to 2006). And several news sources talk about IC3:

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Comment Either zero or one of those sources is sufficiently independent and in-depth to help to establish notability.

Houston Chronicle - mentions IC3 once in passing: "a valuable IC3 certification"
This Day - virtually all IC3 content was quotes from Certiport Vice-President in charge of sales for Middle East and Africa, Jan Day
PM News Nigeria - at first blush looks reasonable but at least the following passages are copied from Certiport materials, such as "IC3 reflects the foundational skills needed to excel in virtually all career fields and academic pursuits requiring computer proficiency" from [29] and "The Global Digital Literacy Council has committed years of hard work and dedication to design, create and define the new IC3 Standards" from [30]
Ed Tech Magazine - mentions IC3 once in passing: "Students who complete the course are prepared to take the national IC3 certification exam."
Houston Chronicle - content is provided by (paid for by?) Demand Media a highly questionable source best known for placing SEO content

And about the book Resources for Student Assessment, the cover says "Development of this publication was underwritten by Certiport". So, no joy there as far as establishing notability either.

The problems with the sources provided, plus the non-persuasive argument "it seems important", a listed argument to avoid in deletion discussions, make me stay with my original recommendation to delete. – Brianhe (talk) 11:20, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Userfy. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:50, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Administrative note - I've moved the article to the Draft space: Draft:2016–17 Formula 4 United Arab Emirates Championship season. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 08:14, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2016–17 Formula 4 United Arab Emirates Championship season

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Not enough information to justify an article; at present all we have is an announcement and a provisional calendar. I would say that this article is certainly WP:TOOSOON, but as it's rather common for low level championships to be announced then never materialise, this is probably also WP:CRYSTALBALL content. QueenCake (talk) 23:59, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Userify until at least the parent article on the series is created; it is indeed WP:TOOSOON. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:06, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Absolutely no prejudice to immediate renomination. Non-admin closure. Safiel (talk) 18:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Angangba Mayek

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Per WP:TOOSOON, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:FILMNOT -- no evidence of release, production or significant coverage by independent reliable sources. Article on a future film is not appropriate for mainspace without RS coverage. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 17:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. I placed less weight on the argument for keep which did not appear to address how the article is able to meet Wikipedia's article guidelines and policies. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:31, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pierre Picault

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I don't see how this article is sufficient for a stand-alone article. It's still based on a single article. It was deleted in 2008, recreated in 2009 exactly the same and the second deletion discussion was based on three keep votes, two of whom just asserted that the last surviving French veterans of WWI was enough and a third based on what seems like a google news search involving other people for some reason. Even then, according to this unsourced footnote, Lazare Ponticelli is actually the last veteran and not Picault who is basically just a footnote. Ricky81682 (talk) 02:07, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as failing GNG on all accounts. Legacypac (talk) 04:05, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no coverage in any source. Not 100% sure the sole source is reliable or not. Nothing in the guidelines that says "being a WW1 veteran makes you notable". CommanderLinx (talk) 02:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable for being the last surviving French veteran of World War I. There is nothing in the guidelines that says 'being a WW1 veteran makes you NOT notable' Petervermaelen (talk) 14:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See above. Can you address the clear GNG failure by providing reliable sources that discuss this person? CommanderLinx (talk) 22:55, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Reflector sight#Other uses. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010^Talk 02:11, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Kufeld

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No significant coverage from independent, reliable sources. His invention of the Telrad for telescopes, while useful, is not notable. Astro4686 (talk) 19:49, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Reflector sight#Other uses. I have added a mention of him there. I could not find enough sources to maintain a standalone article about him. --MelanieN (talk) 02:10, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Arto Oksanen

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No significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Article does not establish notability. Astro4686 (talk) 08:08, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Mel Bartels

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No significant coverage by independent, reliable sources. The biography does not establish notability. Having an asteroid named after oneself is not a significant distinction. Astro4686 (talk) 07:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. No arguments for this article's retention have been made in over 14 days. Therefore, the article's subject is found to lack notability. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 08:18, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Rikli

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Lower tier racing driver with no non-trivial coverage from reliable secondary sources. The only references provided are primary sources and a database source, which isn't enough to establish notability per WP:SPORTCRIT. QueenCake (talk) 01:05, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NMOTORSPORT. Corvus tristis (talk) 16:35, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Synthesizer. The article's subject is found to lack notability. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 08:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Synthesizer programmer

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How the hell did this survive its first "Articles for deletion" debate? The entire page is way too short and entirely unsourced. When searching the term "Synthesizer programmer", all you'll find is how-to articles on how to program sounds using synthesizers. What this article is meaning to talk about is the term "synthesizer programmer", as in for video games, which could pretty much be the same in programming sounds using synths in cases outside of game development. This is clearly an attempted WP:DICDEF article, and definitely has so little value that articles like Synthesizer and Programming (music) makes this article pretty much useless and unnecessary to the encyclopedia. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī 03:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Synthesizer or Video game music. Ana r chyte 10:58, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as aboveAtlantic306 (talk) 16:33, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, uncontested. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:18, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Caleb Laieski

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WP:BLP, with definite advertorial overtones, of a person whose strongest claim of notability is having been a staffer in a mayor's office. The article has actually been tagged WP:AUTOBIO by another editor — and while I'm not entirely sure that the evidence for that is as airtight as the tagger believes, it certainly does read an awful lot like the kind of "about me" puff blurb that could be posted to a person's own self-published website. The sourcing, meanwhile, is parked entirely on an alternative weekly newspaper and an online-only magazine that doesn't unequivocally pass the dividing line between the kind of blogs that we can accept for sourcing and the kind that we can't — so these sources would be acceptable for some supplementary confirmation of facts after the topic had already been vaulted over WP:GNG by better referencing, but neither of them can carry GNG if they're the best you can do for sourcing. As always, a person does not gain an automatic entitlement to keep a PR-toned profile on Wikipedia just because a few sources can be provided to verify that he exists — there would have to be a lot more coverage, a lot more substance and a lot less (possibly self-)promotional puffery than this to get him over the bar. And on a Google search, the better sourcing that I am able to locate (a) is still exclusively local to the place where he was living at the time of that coverage, and (b) poses BLP sensitivities of the "criminal allegation without conviction" kind that Wikipedia has no business touching with a ten-foot pole per WP:PERP. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 22:13, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Bearcat's in-depth and accurate analysis leaves little else to state. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:00, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to En Masse Entertainment#Fruit Attacks. The article's subject is found to lack notability. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 08:57, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fruit Attacks

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Non-notable mobile video game failing WP:GNG with no multiple reliable independent in-depth sources, such as WP:VG/RS. The three references in the article are PR, announcement and source reusing the previous source. The announcement source does not appear to be reliable. There is no other in-depth content from reliable sources, such as reviews, that I can find. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 17:31, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy redirect to dev article: En Masse Entertainment. Analysis above is good, but dev article exists. Redirect as useful search term. czar 18:20, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Page should be redirected as noted above. Meatsgains (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to En Masse Entertainment#Fruit Attacks. Ana r chyte 05:27, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as this is unlikely independently notable. SwisterTwister talk 05:05, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have added more information to the Fruit Attacks page, including references to two independent reviews of the game, and information about the most recent update to the game, which happened in October 2015. I am hopeful that this adds enough relevance to the game to merit its inclusion in Wikipedia. Baraqorn (talk) 00:04, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The two sources don't look too bad to me, though I'm not hopeful we will vet them reliable at WT:VG/RS. Android Rundown appears to be by guys from 148Apps, which is reliable, but their site is devoid of editorial information. Android Central (click "view all" for authors) looks better in that regard, but the authors themselves do not appear to have journalism credentials. Unfortunately, neither of the reviews' authors appear to have credentials to make their reviews pass on their own. (Hope you don't mind I moved your comment lower to match the timing of replies.) — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 00:25, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm willing to give benefit of my doubt to Android Central, but Android Rundown has no hallmarks of editorial quality. We know nothing about its staff or its processes. (I have some issues with 148apps as well.) In any event, the section should be sufficiently expanded before we ever need to spin it out. czar 04:31, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 04:05, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Høgni Reistrup

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fails WP :MUSICBIO. no notable albums, no awards the one single reaching number 1 in Faroe Islands is not considered a major chart list. LibStar (talk) 14:43, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - He is a well known musician and writer in the Faroe Islands, and he has been touring in several countries with with his music. He has not won any awards - not what I know of, but he has been nominated several times for the main Faroese prizes for musicians, the Faroese Music Awards and the Planet Awards. He has also been active in politics, although he was not elected. He is also active in the debate about the problems with the lack of growth in the population and has written books about the subject. --EileenSanda (talk) 16:48, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

touring several countries and being nominated for awards doesn't really add to notability. LibStar (talk) 17:57, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Høgni Reistup has been important enough for the English Wikipedia since 2010, what happened now in 2016 since he is not important any longer? He is not only a musician, he is a scientist and if you tried to search for news about him you could have found a lot of information about him. I have been searching and found a lot of info about him, info which was not written about here, so I have expanded the article about his life as a scientist. He has studied in Aarhus, Copenhagen and Dublin, he is MA in Media studies. In fact I find him more and more notable, the more I read about him. I knew about his book Exit Føroyar, but now that I read more about it and all the media cover in the Danish media, where they cite Høgni Reistrup, I am thinking, that he and the co-writer of the book Exit Føroyar in fact may have stopped the negative net migration of the Faroe Islands. At the time when they wrote the book, the Faroe Islands had a negative net migration, and in fact it has stopped now, and I think that it may very well be because of this book and the project with the same name and all the publicity it got in Danish and Faroese media and in the Danish Folketing and in the Faroese Løgting. So, do you still think that Høgni Reistrup is a non-notable person and that the page about him on Wikipedia should be deleted LibStar? --EileenSanda (talk) 10:33, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Høgni Reistup has been important enough for the English Wikipedia since 2010 is totally irrelevant. Any article can be nominated for deletion to test its notability especially if it hasn't been nominated before. articles do not get immunity from deletion because they've existed longer. normally scientists need to meet WP:PROF. LibStar (talk) 16:45, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure if scientist is the correct word for him, is it? I wrote it, but I am not sure if it should have been scolar or something else, he is MA in Media science from the University of Copenhagen, Aarhus University and Dublin City University, so is scientist the correct term? I would say that number 7. in WP:PROF applies here: "7. The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity." These rules may also apply: 8. The person is or has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area. 9. The person is in a field of literature (e.g., writer or poet) or the fine arts (e.g., musician, composer, artist), and meets the standards for notability in that art, such as WP:CREATIVE or WP:MUSIC. Under Special Criteria notes is says: 1. The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources. (...) The most typical way of satisfying Criterion 1 is to show that the academic has been an author of highly cited academic work. EileenSanda (talk) 17:22, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

as an author, "He has published three books about Faroese politics" doens't meet WP:AUTHOR. neither does his work as a reporter meet WP:JOURNALIST. LibStar (talk) 01:49, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He meets WP:GNG, he has extensive coverage by reliable sources. EileenSanda (talk) 07:53, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep: The subject is extensively covered by reliable sources, and thus it should stay per WP:GNG. I can find hundreds of articles on him on Faroese media (in.fo, portal.fo). Apart from this, I can also find media coverage coming from Denmark (gaffa.dk), Germany (Der Spiegel, and Deutschlandfunk), and Iceland (visir.is). WP:MUSICBIO is covered by the amount of sources on the subject, and WP:PROF is totally irrelevant since the subject meetsWP:GNG beyond question, and by the fact that he is not notable as an academic. I think the AfD should be withrdawn, but at the same time more reliable sources should be added in the article. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) ^{a penny for your thoughts?} 10:21, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as the subject has attracted international RS coverage I believe he passes WP:GNG Atlantic306 (talk) 07:05, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:22, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lilias Massey

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No evidence that the subject has received significant coverage in reliable sources. Being related to a famous person does not make her inherently notable. Hirolovesswords (talk) 13:18, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTINHERITED is specifically written as excluding situations where the fact of being related to somebody else inherently defines a notable public position, such as a national First Lady: the person may have been given the role solely by virtue of being related to somebody else, but the role itself most certainly is still a notable one which would be expected to get a person into an encyclopedia. Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh and Jane Pierce, for just two examples out of many, are not non-notable just because it's possible to dismiss them as having inherited notability via marriage — the spouses of national monarchs and presidents and prime ministers and viceroys are a thing that we are expected to cover, because those people do hold a public role which is notable in its own right. Admittedly referencing improvement is needed here — this was written almost ten years ago, at a time when no significant number of Wikipedians had access to any significant news archive databases beyond a simple Google search — but now that so many more of us do have access to deep news retrieval databases it is fully verifiable that those improved references do exist, and the role she held is one which would be expected to get someone into an encyclopedia regardless of any NOTINHERITED quibbles about how she got that role. And if your quibble is going to be that Lilias Massey held her role by virtue of being the daughter-in-law of a widowed GG rather than by being his wife, then it's important to note that we do maintain articles about several women who served as Category:Acting First Ladies of the United States, mainly female relatives of US Presidents who took on the role of First Lady because the president was a bachelor or widower — and several of those aren't actually any better sourced than this one is. The fact of holding the role is what gets the person into Wikipedia, not the private nature of their personal relationship to the president or the governor-general. Keep. Bearcat (talk) 17:29, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. She isn't the wife of the prime minister; she's the daughter-in-law of a former governor general. All I see about her other than passing mentions is one Ottawa Citizen article. Some of the other viceregal consorts of Canada should also just redirect there. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:20, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The viceregal consort ranks higher than the spouse of the prime minister — so there's no basis for claiming that it's a less notable role. The GG's spouse or spouse equivalent does hold a public role as the analogue to a First Lady or Gentleman — the PM's spouse would be the Second Lady or Gentleman, not the first — and is thus a topic of encyclopedic interest for the exact same reasons as any other national First Spouse. And per Category:Acting First Ladies of the United States, a person who held that role or title is not excluded from notability just because the leader was unmarried or widowed and thus had another female family member step in to take on those duties; if they held the title and performed the duties of the role, then they're still notable regardless of whether they were the leader's wife, daughter, mother, sister-in-law, daughter-in-law or hairdresser. It's the role that confers the notability, not the type of relationship they had with the leader. Bearcat (talk) 19:49, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It may rank higher, but it's not higher profile. In all my decades in the Great White North, not once (until now) have I ever heard or read about it, so it (and she) fails WP:GNG, IMO. Margaret Trudeau on the other hand ... Clarityfiend (talk) 23:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You may not have heard of the title — I'm not even remotely convinced that's the best or most recognizable WP:COMMONNAME for our article about it to be located at — but I don't believe for one second that you've gone through life totally unaware that "the wife or husband of the Governor General" is a real thing that people get famous and notable and prominent for being. Jean-Daniel Lafond? John Ralston Saul? Gerda Hnatyshyn? Pauline Vanier? Norah Michener? These are not obscure people by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, they're no Margaret Trudeau, but what other spouse of a Prime Minister ever attained that level of worldwide iconicity either? You're certainly not going to convince me that any of them was less publicly active or well-known than Sheila Martin, and even she was still publicly active and well-known enough to get over the bar.

I can fully believe that you've never heard of the title that the article is located at — I don't think that's the name most Canadians would expect to find it at either, and I'd completely support a move discussion to a more recognizable title. But you can't seriously expect me to believe that you've gone through many decades of life in the Great White North totally unaware of the concept that "Governor General's spouse" was a prominent public role that people were getting famous for holding. Bearcat (talk) 06:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure most Canucks know we have had Governor Generals (Governors General?), and that they usually have spouses, but I doubt if one in a hundred could name any of them. The ones you've listed may or may not be notable on their own (not that I've heard of most of them either; Pauline Vanier seems to vaguely ring a bell for some reason), but that's beside the point. Show me where Lilias Massey satisfies WP:GNG. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Most Canadians would have to jog their memories by looking at a list to even to name most past GGs, and most past spouses of Prime Ministers not named Margaret, and even some of the actual PMs themselves, too — seriously, how many people do you think could actually pluck Mackenzie Bowell or Jeanne St. Laurent out of their memory banks without seeing their names first? — but that doesn't mean those people aren't notable. And while I admit that I haven't gotten around to directly beefing up the article yet, mainly because there have been a lot of other things to distract me over the past few days, as I've already pointed out the coverage is there: 129 hits in ProQuest's archive of The Globe and Mail, 226 hits on Newspapers.com. They won't all be usable sources, because some of them admittedly are just the social column and will say nothing much more than "Mrs. Lionel Massey wore a taffeta dress to the symphony last night", but there is enough substantive coverage to satisfy WP:GNG if you give me some time to actually sort through it. And it's a key principle of AFD that an article's keepability or deletability hinges on whether the GNG coverage can be shown to exist, not on whether it's already in the article or not — so my failure to have already finished the job of adding 350 more references to the article isn't actually a failure. Bearcat (talk) 18:26, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

17 distinct references in the article now. More still possible; there's still the Toronto Star database to run through, but at the moment there's a technical error causing all of those pages to come up blank. And even when I can finally get back into that one, that still just represents databases I have personal access to, and doesn't preclude there still being other references available elsewhere too. Hope that helps. Bearcat (talk) 21:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Clarity. 2001:569:70DD:7500:39EA:19D8:DF90:EF4D (talk) 23:25, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

On what grounds is an article with 17 references in it already, and more still possible, about a person who held a notable public role deletable at all? Bearcat (talk) 01:33, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Any editor in good standing may request recreation at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:26, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jonty Tiplady

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Non-notable poet. He's managed to get published, but I can't find significant coverage in reliable sources - only a couple of passing mentions. Kolbasz (talk) 12:47, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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This poet seems notable. Won the 2009 Crashaw Prize, published by major London publisher, has had extended essays devoted to his work. Kolbasz, might it be necessary to Google deeper? More than passing mentions exist.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ulnastacks (talk • contribs) 13:59, 16 January 2015

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AFAICT, the prize in question is not a notable one, and is handed out by his publisher. In any case, reliable independent sources are still lacking. Kolbasz (talk) 15:02, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as not notable. Doesn't seem to have received in-depth analysis/reviews/profiles in reliable sources (e.g. newspaper book sections, academic publications, journals like London Review of Books, or well-known poetry magazines): I can't find anything, and none of the citations measure up. Blogspot isn't sufficient. His prize isn't sufficiently well-known or reputable to make him notable. And just being published doesn't establish notability. Colapeninsula (talk) 14:38, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
'Not Delete'. In-depth review articles online by Andrew Spragg, Joe Luna, Edmund Hardy, Peter Hughes, Andrew Duncan and so on. He features in the recent Modernist Legacies book, and it seems to me the poets who have highly praised his work are considerable. Dubious distinction here between press/online reputation. I would go with what the poets say and not the press. Perhaps the page needs cutting back though? There seems a divisive buzz about this writer, but a buzz nonetheless.Pocks-pook45 Pocks-pook45 (talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and AFD. Kolbasz (talk) 20:50, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:11, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Khushdeep Bansal

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The article fails WP:NAUTHOR on its face. The only real source, Hindustan Times, states that the subject claims one of his books sold 165 copies. Brianhe (talk) 02:28, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV. One article in the Hindustan Times is not sufficient for notability.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:16, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as questionable for WP:CREATIVE. SwisterTwister talk 03:40, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - simply not enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to show they meet notability criteria. Fails WP:GNG, and clearly does not pass NAUTHOR. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:43, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomer Vial (talk • contribs) 09:11, 24 January 2016‎

Cebu local elections, 2016

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It's going to be impossible to maintain local election pages in areas that are highly unknown. Not only that but a new page will have to be introduced every year, as to keep one of every year on file. Too big of a mess, and too much of a waste of space on Wikipedia. Boomer Vial^Holla 02:13, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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This person has no idea what he's talking about. Cebu is the largest (most populous) province in the Philippines, a country 10x larger than Ireland. Elections in the Philippines happen every three years. Finally, Wikipedia isn't paper. Speedy close as per WP:BEFORE. –H T D 08:02, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, crap.. I should've looked into this more before requesting a AfD. My mistake. Boomer Vial^Holla 09:04, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:28, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maldon mud race

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One of dozens of local mud runs held in the UK and around the world. No sourcing indicates that it is unique or notable. (Also, please see article talk page.) – S. Rich (talk) 01:39, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. BBC reported it's change of date here. Where is the clear evidence for the "dozens of local mud runs held in the UK", as opposed to obstacle and cross-country races which have muddy courses. An alternative would be to merge with Maldon, Essex. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The subject meets WP:GNG. Source examples include, but are not limited to: ^[1], ^[2], ^[3], ^[4], ^[5], ^[6], ^[7]. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:31, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Maldon Mud Race set for permanent switch to spring date". BBC News.
^ "River race gets down and dirty". BBC News.
^ "Our man in the ... Annual mud race in Essex". the Guardian.
^ "Meet super-fit Bill Suggitt - the Maldon Mud Race champion". Essex Chronicle.
^ "Maldon Mud Race 2013: That's one way to spend the bank holiday!". Mail Online. 5 May 2013.
^ "Maldon Mud Race organisers eye permanent Easter date". BBC News.
^ "Maldon Mud Race sees 300 runners brave the muck of the River Blackwater in fancy dress". Daily Mirror.

Comment After searching, I did find many, many other UK mud races; but this seems to one of the more notable with countless photographs and stories of it. I did however find much more notable ones like Pretty Muddy which doesn't have its own Wikipedia page. It's not even mentioned on Race for Life's page. --Mr. Magoo and McBarker (talk) 17:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment by OP – Just because an event gets RS news coverage does not make it notable enough for a stand alone article. Where I come from, we have a Palm Desert Golf Cart Parade and Palm Springs Gay Pride Parade. These get written up in the news and have stories on the local TV stations. Also compare the charity raising aspects of this run to the events sponsored by or endorsed by the Susan G. Komen for the Cure. E.g., they hold 5k runs in many locations but none of them merit an article even if they are noteworthy. This event is noteworthy enough to be mentioned in the Maldon article (with a re-direct) but it is not notable enough for a stand alone article. – S. Rich (talk) 19:09, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- "These "other stuff exists" arguments can be valid or invalid." ? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:13, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- As mentioned by Magoo and McBarker, there are many other UK races. Here is where to find them. I venture news stories and photos of the races are easy to find. But ease of discovery does not make any event notable. (Here is one example.) – S. Rich (talk) 02:26, 27 January 2016 (UTC)02:43, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Linguistic Society of America. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010^Talk 00:22, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Leonard Bloomfield Book Award

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Non-notable award. No significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Those that turn up are either from the awarding organization (Linguistic Society of America), award recipients, or routine coverage of the award winner by the institution they belong to. The information in the article is already contained in the article Linguistic Society of America Wugapodes (talk) 01:35, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Linguistic Society of America see: [31] It's a real thing, in academic linguisitcs. it does get menitoned on university websites, and by publishers [32], [33], It seems reasonable to keep it as a subsection of the Linguistic Society page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:01, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as per E.M.Gregory - not enough coverage to warrant a standalone article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:41, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as blatant hoax Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Amazing World of Gumball Movie

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This might be real, but I can't find any reliable sources for its release date or channel. Otherwise I would have suggested merging with The_Amazing_World_of_Gumball#Possible_film. Adam9007 (talk) 00:19, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Even if it is real, the only place this should go is List of The Amazing World of Gumball episodes; unless this is coming out in a theater this won't have much impact, and we have nothing about it (also it would be really out of character for the film to premiere first on CN UK rather than the flagship American channel). Also I would take out the 'possible film' line entirely, as it's just saying 'we might make a film, just depends. Nothing is set in stone'. Without confirmable information, even having the Times of London as a source is no better than BREDwnerzNFanboyChumX2Fan439 shooting off stupid theories on Toonzone. Nate • (chatter) 02:00, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm going to speedy this as a hoax, as there's no way that this could be real. If there was a film adaptation of this series that was set to release in four months, CN would be promoting the bejeebers out of it as this is an extremely popular show. It'd also be extremely, extremely unlikely that they would only air this in the UK and Ireland, given the series' popularity in the States. A search for sourcing brings up absolutely nothing, which confirms that this is a hoax. It's possible - even likely - that CN is looking into making a film version of this series. However there has been nothing confirmed and CN is a lot like the Disney Channel in that they tend to spam their airwaves pretty heavily for advertisements for their upcoming shows and films, even if they only air on their network. There's no way that CN would allow a film based on a popular, high profit series like this to go unadvertised. This is actually one of several similar hoax film articles I've come across in the last few days and I think that it's possible that this could be another Maelbros sock. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:31, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The username of CN Official (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) pretty much clinched this wasn't a serious article; good call. Nate • (chatter) 04:40, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 10:08, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nico Monetti

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A filmmaker. Has been out of college for four years. Has only done short films and some internet videos. No independent, reliable sources about him. Lot of social media. Prod was removed for unknown reasons. Bgwhite (talk) 00:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I created the page because I find his show entertaining and it has helped people I know. I would appreciate it if you refrained from deleting it because there are a growing number of people who might want to know who he is and leaving it up does no one harm. I do not know the cost of having a page up for the foundation but I also donate money to wikipedia and can donate more if necessary. It would be unfortunate if this was deleted. Thank you.
Delete. I agree with the nominator. The article is sourced largely from primary sources and this does seem to be a case of WP:TOOSOON. NewYorkActuary (talk) 02:06, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom Upcoming at best fails WP:FILMMAKER and WP:SIGCOV.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:21, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as not yet better for WP:CREATIVE. SwisterTwister talk 03:37, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 12:37, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Trax Colton

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Fails WP:ANYBIO, WP:NACTOR, WP:GNG. Boston.Com source is book review that only mentions subject in passing, IMDb is not considered to be a reliable source. Makes unsourced assertions and promulgates rumors about subject. No reliable information appears to be available about subject after appearance in second movie (1960's The Marriage-Go-Round) so there are also WP:BLP concerns since subject could still be living. Shearonink (talk) 23:51, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete by all means as simply nothing here suggests even a minimally better article. SwisterTwister talk 06:06, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Given his lead role in It Happened in Athens, Colton explicitly meets the standards of WP:NACTOR, despite the misrepresentation of this inarguable fact in the nomination. The article needs additional sources and cleanup, but the sources are available from older newspaper archives and need for cleanup is not a valid argument for deletion. Alansohn (talk) 23:21, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No misrepresentation was intended. I was unable to find multiple in-depth reliable sources, so if you have access to that kind of info it would be great. I would be interested in knowing how Colton/Morelli fulfills WP:NACTOR:

Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.
Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.
Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.

Shearonink (talk) 00:34, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This article has plenty of sources to satisfy notability guidelines, as well as notable roles. Readers want to see this kind of info on actors, especially the average film buff. Tinton5 (talk) 06:24, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I just don't think Morelli/Colton fulfills the actor/notability parameters. He is interesting to movie buffs because of 1)his short fling with Jayne Mansfield & 2)his association with the notorious Harry Willson but 3)he had one very minor role (as the unnamed "Crew Cut/Party Guest") in The Marriage-Go-Round and 4)a single lead role in one film and then disappeared from Hollywood. Does he have a large fan base? Has he made unique or prolific contributions to entertainment? Has he had significant roles in multiple notable films and/or television shows? Most of the sources I have found mirror the same few facts: used-car salesman, asserted birthdate, gossip - was he one of Willson's party-boys?/the brief Mansfield affair, or are a passing mention. For instance, Reference #3 (a blurb from a 1961 Mike Connolly Pittsburgh Press/syndicated column) says this (in full):

Another remake of "Blood and Sand" is simmering at Fox. This time it's for Trax Colton, who looms as the studio's new "combination Rudolph Valentino - Ty Power," thanks to his work as Jayne Mansfield's co-star in "It Happened in Athens."

So far, I have been unable to find any in-depth interviews or articles about Morelli/Colton, much less multiple sources. If the parent biographical notability guidelines are consulted, Colton fails WP:ANYBIO because he has not received a well-known and significant award or honor/has not been nominated for one several times/has not made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field. Also, so far as I can tell (and believe me, I have been looking), Morelli/Colton has not received in-depth coverage - no book/biography has been written specifically about Morelli/Colton, etc. Shearonink (talk) 18:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I mean seriously, just because Colton had just two movies roles doesn't discharge him from having a Wikipedia page. I mean, when someone reads Jayne Mansfield's biography that won't even be able to click on the "unknown" Colton, even if they want to. There are many other actors and actresses that have Wikipedia pages that weren't too well-known and that only appeared in B-movies. Please think about this. (ClassicEditor97)— Preceding unsigned comment added by ClassicEditor97 (talk • contribs) 15:34, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Comment. Just because someone was in two movies doesn't mean they are notable. Just because some actor is a member of SAG or of AFTRA doesn't make them notable. Just because someone was a bit player during the waning years of the classic studio system doesn't mean they are notable. Just because someone had a brief affair with a movie star doesn't make them notable - not every person Miss Mansfield had an affair with who is mentioned in her article has a Wikipedia article of their own - her lawyer Sam Brody, Paris nightclub owner Claude Terrail, producer Enrico Bomba. (How long were Morelli/Colton and Mansfield lovers anyway? Was it a long-term relationship, were they lovers for a week or even a few weeks?)

Our discussion here should center on the notability guidelines of WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, WP:NACTOR. Does Morelli/Colton fulfill any of them? If he does not, then he should not have a Wikipedia article. Are there multiple reliable sources that contain in-depth information about Morelli/Colton? Not just passing mentions like the Mike Connolly column, but a biography or long-form articles in magazines or newspapers? Has he had a lasting impact on film-acting or the culture in general? Did he win any acting awards? Please think about this logically... Just because Morelli/Colton can be thought of as notorious (because of his discovery by the scandal-plagued Harry Willson and his fling with Mansfield) doesn't mean he is notable - it means he is worthy of gossip. Shearonink (talk) 17:03, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Two articles by this name (at least one of which was unsourced), were deleted per WP:BLPROD & per WP:PROD in September 2011. Shearonink (talk) 02:17, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets GNG and there is enough information for a standalone article. The GNG does not require "in-depth information" from a single source, 10 facts coming from 5 sources is mathematically the same as all 10 from one source. Some times we have to do actual research and create a biography from disparate sources, instead of just giving a synopsis of an existing biography. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:54, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. He had a brief affair with Jayne Mansfield. He was an actor with one bit part in one movie and one lead in another. He was a renamed protégée of Harry Willson. Many of the references simply repeat the same information - the affair With Mansfield, that Willson was his agent, that he seemingly disappeared from Hollywood. This person is not notable as an actor under those parameters: he received no in-depth coverage during his time as a contract player, he has had no enduring influence on his art, he received no known awards, he was not the lead in multiple notable films. In all the references I have found he received passing mentions in the Hollywood studios' publicity machine - a sentence here, a phrase there. To me, that does not indicate he fulfills the WIkipedia general notability guidelines:

"If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it need not be the main topic of the source material.

I just don't see the significant coverage, that Morelli's life and his career are covered directly and covered in detail. Shearonink (talk) 06:31, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as much as I like attempting to save articles on lesser known actors, there is simply not enough in-depth coverage to show that he passes WP:GNG, and he clearly doesn't pass WP:NACTOR. The best case could be made by WP:BASIC, but I don't feel he meets those criteria either. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment To pass WP:NACTOR he only has to meet one of the 3 criteria, not all of them, and then there is RSources.Atlantic306 (talk) 21:08, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Good point about WP:NACTOR, so I decided to take a look at the three criteria:

Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

A small part is not significant...the character in The Marriage-Go-Round didn't have a name, he was simply "Crew Cut/Party Guest". Colton/Morelli had one co-starring role in a single movie, a movie that did not make back its $1million+ budget, did not get any awards, received almost-universally bad reviews.

Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.

Large fan base or significant "cult" following... The only claim I can see that might have some merit on the "cult" issue is that he was one of the many clients of the notorious Harry Willson but that would seem to be gossip-fodder material not encyclopedic content.

Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.

His work was not unique, he was not prolific, and he was not innovative. He was a small cog in the Hollywood machine.

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Delete The significant coverage is simply not here. After looking over the sources provided and doing additional searches (including a newspapers.com search). I could not find significant coverage of Colton to adequately support an article. Winner 42 Talk to me! 02:34, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "Nathan Burton, Michael Turco reappear after disappearing act in tangle". LasVegasSun.com.

[2] "Wayne native Michael Turco makes magical return". NorthJersey.com.

[3] "Native Wayne illusionist Michael Turco launches YouTube series". NorthJersey.com.

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[5] "Wayne Magician Michael Turco To Appear On 'Masters of Illusion' Second Season". Wayne, NJ Patch.

[6] "Maldon Mud Race set for permanent switch to spring date". BBC News.

[7] "River race gets down and dirty". BBC News.

[8] "Our man in the ... Annual mud race in Essex". the Guardian.

[9] "Meet super-fit Bill Suggitt - the Maldon Mud Race champion". Essex Chronicle.

[10] "Maldon Mud Race 2013: That's one way to spend the bank holiday!". Mail Online. 5 May 2013.

[11] "Maldon Mud Race organisers eye permanent Easter date". BBC News.

[12] "Maldon Mud Race sees 300 runners brave the muck of the River Blackwater in fancy dress". Daily Mirror.

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