Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of National Football League attendance figures

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The result was keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:25, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of National Football League attendance figures

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fails WP:NOTSTATS. Taken to its logical complete state would contain and entry for every team from every season since 1920. => Spudgfsh (Text Me!) 21:44, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:31, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:31, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - clear case of WP:NOTSTATS. Giant Snowman 11:35, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A good WP:DISCRIMINATE list of information. Clearly passes WP:N with coverage and discussions in major media sources. As for WP:NOTSTATS, the list of data is not confusing and is shown in a easy-to-understand format. Also, the article contains "sufficient explanatory text to put statistics within the article in their proper context for a general reader" -- therefore, it actually passes the very policy referenced for deletion.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:45, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into relevant NFL season articles (i.e. section "2011 attendance statistics" to be merged into 2011 NFL season, ect.) then redirect to List of NFL seasons. Dolovis (talk) 14:33, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think a merge is not practical given the size and scope of the two articles in question.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:43, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. No satisfactory explanation is given for how this supposedly violates WP:NOTSTATS. It's important information, sensibly organized, and absolutely appropriate as encyclopedic coverage of sports. The only specific objection given is that, when completed, the article would be too long in order to cover all the seasons of each league. To which the answer is: So what? Wikipedia is not paper. When the list gets longer, it can be divided into pieces as we do with all sorts of lengthy articles.

I can understand the objections that have been raised at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Football club attendances (2006) with respect to attendance lists that combine different sports. But many of the editors at that AfD have commented that collections of attendance information for individual sports are encyclopedic. Attendance in the major North American sports leagues receives continuing coverage and is vital to an understanding of those sports. Deleting this sourced, important information outright doesn’t accord with WP:PRESERVE and isn’t helpful to anyone. The suggestion to merge this list into the corresponding season articles is something that can be discussed, although it doesn’t facilitate year-to-year comparison as well as this list does, and I don’t see any policy reason why a multiyear list isn't appropriate. --Arxiloxos (talk) 14:37, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per Arxiloxos. Unlike Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Football club attendances (2006), attendance figures in leagues like this is normally discussed as a group by reliable sources, which means this list passes WP:LISTN. Merging sounds reasonable, but that can be discussed on the talk-page after this AfD is closed. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:33, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - While a merge would be acceptable, after viewing the information stated above and on the page itself I would say this passes WP:LISTN. Verdict78 (talk) 14:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 16:08, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep "I don't like it" because I think an encyclopedia should be about text articles, not data spreadsheets. I really wanted to vote delete but I can't find a reason WP should not have this article. "Not stats" is about long lists of statistics within a normal text article. When the whole point of the article is to give the statistics then "not stats" does not seem to apply. The data is notable and would be of interest and useful to people who want to know about the topic. Otherwise they would probably have to go to each team's site and put the information together themselves. BayShrimp (talk) 16:59, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It's a little bit almanacky, but this is the sort of thing that our readers will expect in a comprehensive encyclopedia. Certainly a topic of ample media coverage. Carrite (talk) 17:04, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't think most people would expect a list of NFL attendance figures in an encyclopedia. BayShrimp (talk) 17:52, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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