Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lillian B. Allen

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The result was keep. Although a more in-depth review of sources would be warranted in the future. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lillian B. Allen

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No accomplishments or reasons for notability are stated in this article. Fails WP:BIO. No significant achievements or works. NikolaiHo^☎️ 05:15, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This subject was selected from the "Missing Articles" section of the Woman in Red Contest. Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest/Missing articles/North America. I assumed her notability. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She passes GNG. I added some other references to the article. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:54, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, there is a Masters thesis here - A CANADIAN TRAVELLER’S TALE: LILLIAN B. ALLEN AND DOCUMENTING TRAVEL, 1927-1979 that may yield further information on Allen. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:18, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How would that imply notability though?

as an example, the thesis states that Allen had 15 photographic exhibitions, further research may yield where, also the thesis' bibliography could yield more, i do not have the time to look into it, another editor might. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:13, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

also, we don't use librarything or goodreads for notability, but those sites may list reviews/awards that with the backup of reliable sources from elsewhere contribute to a subject's notability, this thesis may do the same. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:21, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't see what the problem with her GNG is? She's not as famous as Picasso, but so what? Edgespath24 (talk) 10:06, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I removed three sources that were two lines or under: two event announcements and a photograph with a caption offering up the fact that she was travelling on a steamship to Honolulu. if this were a significant, notable artist, it would be easy to find good sources, and her work woudl be in at least a few collections. What we have here is a run-of-the-mill painter who was also an untenured (read: part-time) lecturer at an art school. Oh and she did publish one book and had a couple of shows. The notability, in the career and in the sources it produced, is not there.198.58.171.47 (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes GNG. Plenty of independent reliable sources to write an article that explains who she is and show that her work as a painter is noted by others. Sydney Poore/FloNight ♥♥♥♥ 14:55, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as passes GNG. Additional references were added in the meantime by Megalibrarygirl. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:28, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The sources given testify to the significant role she played in the Winnipeg art community.--Ipigott (talk) 08:04, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, sources to support her notability are good enough to meet guidelines. PK T(alk) 20:25, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Absolutely no notability deficit here. With so much recentism, we should take pride in such articles! Referring also to WP:SNOWBALL or perhaps withdraw? gidonb (talk) 00:02, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Article has been considerably improved since nomination here and meets WP:GNG. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:59, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment many editors above mention that the references are good. Personally I see many minor mentions like this one, which says:

"Miss Lilian Allen, lecturer in Applied arts, University of Manitoba, will be the chief speaker at the meeting of the Winnipeg Horticultural Society, (date, time, location)... there will be a table centre competition, entries to be subimtted by members and their friends. Decorations used need not be flowers, but such material as coloured paper, evergreens and so forth. Applications for the competion may be sent to... (name address)."

and this one:

Rent that extra room LIlian Allen of the University of Manitoba commences a new series of talks entitled "Furnishing the Home Front". (location, time) "rent that extra Room" is the title of the first talk.

and finally this one, which is a picture of her reading amgazine while waiting to board steamship.

Those are good sources? What happened to "in depth" coverage? I really can't see how they are anything beyond minor mentions. 198.58.171.47 (talk) 03:52, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above Passes WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I haven't looked at the previous versions, but the current version meets the GNG without any issues. Miyagawa (talk) 19:01, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.