Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Helgason

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 08:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Helgason

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Non-notable musician. Singer with two bands, both of which are myspace bands that lack notability. The article overstates the importance of "Emergenza", and no other assertions of notability are made. First band had one EP. Second band has not done even that. Neither band rates a Wikipedia article, and certainly we don't need articles for individual members of the bands. Herostratus (talk) 05:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - marginally notable musician. I found only a short profile published by CBC Radio 3. It is not enough to meet WP:BIO and WP:MUSICBIO. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 06:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Save - Notable enough. Notability increasing. Substantial notability imminent. --PEACELOVEROCKNRLL (talk) 08:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, notability increasing? Substantial notability imminent? Could be, however, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:22, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 06:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No proof the the musician is "notable enough". Joe Chill (talk) 19:10, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Save+ - Wikipedia's "General Notability Guideline" states: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." ""Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by those affiliated with the subject including (but not limited to): self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, autobiographies, press releases, etc." The are several reliable sources offering coverage on Josh Helgason Abel. He's accomplished much more, rad things, but due to lack of coverage those remain out of this biography. This is not a crystal ball, no, however, he has clearly been covered by reliable sources that are independent of himself and this should satisfy inclusion criteria. Thanks. --PEACELOVEROCKNRLL (talk) 19:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1) You may comment as much as you like, but don't put the Save tag on more than one comment, it looks like double-voting. 2) Look at Wikipedia:Notability (music). It talks about stuff like gold albums, international tours, charted singles, two albums on a major label, and so forth (granted there are other criteria). It also says Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Herostratus (talk) 02:12, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Save+- Emergenza was and continues to be a big deal. It gathers world wide attention and involves dozens of countries. That's no small feat. It's also substantiated with reliable sources, references. Also, Bob Rock is the producer behind Metallica's "Black Album" and Motley Crue's "Doctor Feelgood" as well as many, many more epic albums. Recording with Bob is also well referenced. Josh stays. Nirvana333333 (talk) 20:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy for Josh that he has a Bob Rock number of 1, but was-produced-by-someone-who-has-produced-notable-peeps is not a critera. Herostratus (talk) 02:12, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not clear to me how notable Emergenza is. I'm not saying it's not, but I do note that "Emergenza scam" gives 34,900 results, and it appears the "voting" is based on how many tickets a given contestant can sell, so... Herostratus (talk) 02:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first few rounds in each city are done by fan voting, not ticket sales, (a show of hands that is counted, yes, but a fan vote nonetheless), then each city has it's Finals, which are judged by industry people such as radio personalities or record label folk, and from then on out it's all based on Judges voting, including the finals for each Country, of which their was only one finalist band out of Canada, and then the grand finals in Germany. The Sessions won the judging round for Vancouver, Western Canada, Canada and finally the world (16 Countries of it). Also, working with Bob Rock or this or that isn't a big deal, any of it on it's own, it's when an artist racks up multiple merits of high calibre that they become special and notable. PEACELOVEROCKNRLL (talk) 11:21, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes done by fan voting, but if your band sells 100 tickets you are going to have more fans there than a band that sells 10 tickets. Herostratus (talk) 11:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, yes. Although, play well enough, write songs well enough, and a band will earn votes from neutral spectators and even fans of other bands. The Sessions received 242 or so votes in Vancouver's semi-finals and I doubt all of those 242 were brought by just them. They were winning crowds over. Also, a band selling tickets / marketing themselves / making fans who will purchase tickets and support them - That proves how serious, legit and awesome a band is. The Emergenza "scam", as haters claim it to be, is set up to weed out the beginners, anti-socials (bad for business), the small thinkers, the bands without fan bases (unproven talent / lack of talent), and the crap. It's bitter bands with loser mentalities, and losing records, who jump on board wagons of "this battle of the bands is rigged" and "this is a scam" and all that. My two cents. PEACELOVEROCKNRLL (talk) 22:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Notability is lacking and most of the encyclopedic and verifiable material regarding him can be integrated into the band's article. Redirecting to the band is a viable option, but since he has played in two this might not be the best. Them From Space 05:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is no article for Stars of Boulevard, and the poorly-sourced article at The Sessions doesn't mention him. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 23:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just added to the sources and bio for The Sessions! PEACELOVEROCKNRLL (talk) 00:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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