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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No consensus on whether the coverage is sufficient for WP:N. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 06:06, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Movie Firearms Database

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Article was previously speedied and restored by a COI editor and an editor who is now blocked by WMF. Minimal RS coverage; does not meet GNG. –dlthewave ☎ 05:44, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 06:57, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 06:57, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 06:57, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 22:24, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 18:45, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The proposer offers a deletion rationale that is entirely invalid. The current article has never been speedied (it was proposed and declined), the creator has never been blocked, and has no obvious COI. There was a previous article at Imfdb which was speedied, but the creator of that has never been blocked either, and likewise has no obvious COI. To bring that up is entirely irrelevant and only serves the purpose of unfairly tainting the current effort.
Ok, the sourcing isn't great, the Field & Stream piece is substantial and in a presumably reliable source. It's a blog column, but allowable under WP:NEWSBLOG. The Economist is unarguably reliable, but has only a passing mention. Likewise the The Guardian piece. Most of the rest are self-references. However, one article in the Los Angeles Times that was mentioned in the last AfD is substantial and entirely about this topic. The nominator could have at least read the previous AfD as part of WP:BEFORE and provided a rationale why the keep decision then no longer applies. SpinningSpark 01:05, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A previous version (Internet Movie Firearm Database) was speedied in February 2011. The current article was recreated without consensus or discussion in July 2012 by Zackmann08, who has a declared COI according to the Talk page. Scalhotrod (who is now banned, for what it's worth) reinserted primarily unsourced/OR content from the previously-deleted version in December 2012, which they apparently authored according to their talk page statements. I agree that we should assess the current article on its own merits, but I stand behind my assessment that the article was created by a COI editor and a now-blocked editor as well as the fact that it was re-created without consensus to overturn the previous speedy deletion.
Consensus or discussion is not required to recreate an article deleted A7, but as it happens, there was a discussion here. The COI declaration was not made by User:Zackmann08 themself. As far as I can tell, and I've searched quite thoroughly, the user has never declared a COI. They have declared they edit IMFDB, but if editing a wiki gave one a COI and excluded one from writing its article, then we wouldn't be able to have any articles about Wikipedia, since one must be a Wikipedia editor in order to write a Wikipedia article. Perhaps User:Delicious carbuncle can explain the reason for placing the notice. SpinningSpark 08:12, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Spinningspark: My only COI is that I used to contribute to the Wiki. I haven't edited it in years. Also note that I have intentionally abstained from commenting on this AFD... I never felt the need to declare a COI. If others feel that I should I am happy to do so. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:21, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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