Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Wrestling Enterprise

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) —JmaJeremy ✆✎ 05:49, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

International Wrestling Enterprise

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Contested PROD. No evidence of notability of this organisation at reliable, independent sources. Most of the references I can find are about Masahiko Kimura's "International Pro Westling Force", I can't find anything about this promotion at suitable sources - the provided sources do not meet the criteria for reliable sources, as they appear to be wrestling-fan-created websites. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:58, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 09:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 09:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It might help to use Google to search for info on IWE, as I did. Besides Puroresu.com, there are other articles that mention the promotion (including this article, which gives some detail on IWE events that took place), as well as YouTube videos featuring matches that took place in IWE (including some of the first Japanese matches of André the Giant between 1969 and 1971). This shows that there is some degree of notability about IWE, and future edits that expand on the article and include references from those articles would be helpful. Creativity-II (talk) 10:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If might help if you assumed good faith on the part of other editors! I did do a Google Search - and indeed I found the WrestlingData website, as well as the YouTube videos. However, YouTube videos are not generally considered reliable sources, and the WrestlingData website (along with other, similar, websites which I found) also would not meet the reliability criteria for sources. I tried finding information about the publishers/writers of the website, and couldn't find anything. They could be wrestlers, promoters, fans... or they could be professional writers with a reputation for fact-finding and verification. I don't know, because although you can contact them (as a group and individually), there are no bios, either there or on their parent site Genickbruch.com. To quote from "what counts as a reliable source": Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. - none of the sources, including the one you give here, meet that standard. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 15:40, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 14:38, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheSpecialUser ^TSU 06:06, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.