Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elgaimeddo

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:47, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Elgaimeddo

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This is a particularly frustrating case. Geonames says it's "approved", but it locates, rather imprecisely, into an area of barchan dunes near the coast. Heading south from there, GMaps shows a town it calls "Ashira" (and gives, in Cyrillic, "Dzhamiya Ashira"). Looking for "Ashira" in geonames, however, gives a well called "Ashira Cun" which is nowhere near either of these, and another well named "Haashira" further down the coast. There's unquestionably a town where GMaps labels it, but what is it really called? Well, this map of water sources seems to think that it's called "Ascira", and sure enough, that name is in geonames, unverified, and it's at about the same location as El Gaimeddo (of course there's a missing space in the article name), and the imprecise, unverified location is a bit north of the town labelled on GMaps. So, are they the same place? I'm inclined to create Ascira, and delete this, but maybe they should be merged. Mangoe (talk) 11:35, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 16:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 16:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I think this place does exist, or at least used to, but I don't think we can say any more about it than that. The databases used for these places all seem to trace back to the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency one, which says the same thing as Mangoe found - "El Gaimeddo" is a populated place at 10° 22' 00" N, 050° 55' 00" E, with another populated place called "Ascira" close by at 10° 22' 00" N, 050° 57' 00" E. Ascira is obviously the place called "Ashira" by Google Maps, which from satellite imagery definitely has people living there. However the database coordinates aren't terribly precise (note there is no seconds component) and Ascira isn't in the place the database thinks it is. This suggests to me that either (a) "El Gaimeddo" does exist and we just aren't looking in the right place because the coordinates are imprecise or (b) "El Gaimeddo" used to exist but doesn't any more (the database entry was last updated in 1994).
In any case, WP:NGEO says that sources such as maps which mention the subject but don't give any more information about it aren't sufficient to demonstrate notability, and that's all we've got here. Even the information we have got doesn't allow us to say with any confidence where the place is. I think we could reasonably have an article on Ascira/Ashira, as it does definitely exist and I did find some non-database mentions of it. But I don't think we can conclude that Ascira/Ashira is the same as El Gaimeddo. Hut 8.5 11:43, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom and Hut's work. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 16:51, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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