Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/El Politigato

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 01:18, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

El Politigato

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Tagged by Whiteguru over a year ago noting little notability. Poor sources used with little to no significant coverage of just another YouTuber. WMrapids (talk) 03:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Comics and animation, Internet, and Venezuela. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:22, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:GNG, subject's career is not limited to YouTube and is also an university professor who has participated in public events. --NoonIcarus (talk) 09:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Many YouTubers participate in public events, so that doesn't make them any more notable. Also, this is a Spanish-speaking YouTuber, yet there is not even a corresponding article on Spanish Wikipedia, raising additional doubts about notability. WMrapids (talk) 10:40, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:WHATABOUT and WP:OTHERLANGS. GNG is the basic threshold of notability for an article, it is met here, and the creator's career is not limited to YouTube. Whether he has an article in the French, German, or Italian Wikipedias here is irrelevant to determine his notability. --NoonIcarus (talk) 14:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, well let’s review the sources:
El Estímulo - Explains his notability is for going viral in WhatsApp and Facebook for making anti-Chavista videos. Not promising.

La Patilla 1 - An opposition website with the title “an audacious feline that surpasses the intelligence of the oficialista”. Pretty POV. Promotes the creator's Facebook page.

Producto - Only a passing mention in the article amongst a list of other Internet personalities.

Efecto Cocuyo 1 - Opposition website promoting their “Cocuyo Festival” and promoting a YouTuber that supports their narrative.

La Patilla 2 - An opposition website promoting since-removed videos and again promoting their Facebook page.

Efecto Cocuyo 2 - Again, a passing mention of the YouTuber from their own event.

Overall, this appears to be nothing more than promotional in nature and does not prove notability whatsoever. WMrapids (talk) 17:50, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Poor and misleading description (especially the "opposition website" descriptions, we've long been over this), but at this point it's just better for other users to give their positions. --NoonIcarus (talk) 19:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It looks to me like the analysis above is hitting quite a few arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, while ignoring all of these sources. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:52, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:24, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:17, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: source 2 is a decent source (green per sourcebot), rest aren't in RS or trivial coverage. I can only find brief mentions of his cartoons, some connection to crypto. Oaktree b (talk) 00:17, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean they aren't reliable sources? Most of them are major and reliable outlets in Venezuela. --NoonIcarus (talk) 10:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcebot hasn't identified them as green for reliable; I have no experience with media in the country, so rely on sourcebot. Oaktree b (talk) 14:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oaktree b could you please provide a link to this sourcebot you are using? User:Oaktree b/common.js indicates nothing called "sourcebot", and the only ones I can find have been blocked for years (User:Sourcebot, User:SourceBot) so I may be looking in the wrong place, or they may not be updated. I'd like to understand the criteria used by whatever script you're using, as there seems to be a problem. That a dated script doesn't know about Venezuelan sources wouldn't be surprising. I use User:Headbomb/unreliable, which is actively maintained. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:54, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See the discussion thread here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2023_October_26#What's_the_bot_called_that_identifies_sources? Oaktree b (talk) 16:22, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm using the second bot described. Oaktree b (talk) 16:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that helps; Novem Linguae could you provide some guidance as to the use of your script in this discussion about Venezuelan sources ?? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:25, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there. Yes, User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter is a user script that highlights sources by color. It incorporates Wikipedia:WikiProject Venezuela/Reliable and unreliable sources, but the snapshot is probably a year or two old. Looking at the current page, it is also missing links to the websites. Maybe I should just delete Venezuelan reliable sources until links to the websites can be added in a column in their tables. I need to know the website's domain name in order to scrape the page for CiteHighlighter. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:02, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I added external links to all the entries at Wikipedia:WikiProject Venezuela/Reliable and unreliable sources, then re-scraped it just now. CiteHighlighter is up to date now. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! You're the best. Oaktree b do you want to take a new look now? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:42, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source #2 (El Estímulo) is still green. The entry is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Venezuela/Reliable and unreliable sources#Generally reliable sources if you want to take a look and see if you agree with the rationale. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Novem Linguae: Thank you so much for your help. I was about to point out to WP:VENRS, but I was unaware of this bot. Best wishes! --NoonIcarus (talk) 17:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source 8 and 10 are about a film festival, 12 is a RS but it's only a few sentences about him. Just not enough for sourcing to be kept. Oaktree b (talk) 00:19, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Now it shows sources 2, 8, 10 and 12 are RS. I'll run them through a Gtranslate before deciding if I need to adjust my !vote. Oaktree b (talk) 02:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thx, Oaktree b; because it's a humor site, the sources use a lot of colloquialisms and wry humor that might choke Gtranslate; pls inquire if you get weirdness. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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