Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Demographics of Atlanta

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 04:53, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics of Atlanta

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The Demographics of Atlanta article contains almost no additional information versus the Demographics section of the main Atlanta page (Atlanta#Demographics). The sole exception is a list of population by year over time, but this is just turning the historic population table into prose - which has no added value - and there are a few random facts about points in time when the city limits were increased. I would be glad to have a separate article on Demographics of Atlanta if there were any value added in it. However, its current existence as merely a "mirror" of what is in Atlanta#Demographics just makes those two pages out of sync and creates false expectations for users who might navigate to the Demographics article that there might be more information here. Keizers (talk) 13:36, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I added more information so that it is not duplicate, and I plan to add more in the future. In any case, the demographics of Atlanta are a very interesting area of study to many people, and have implications that stretch far beyond. Thus, it deserves its own page, as it will likely to continue to grow, and that new information would be forced into the main article if there is no separate demographics page. I also question the editor's original actions of deleting it without following the proper procedures; if I hadn't corrected him, there would have never been an entry on the articles for deletion page. This makes me suspicious of her motives.--Mmann1988 (talk) 17:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

" I also question the editor's original actions of deleting it without following the proper procedures; if I hadn't corrected him, there would have never been an entry on the articles for deletion page. This makes me suspicious of her motives" - I don't see how that is relevant to this AfD discussion. That is, again, making things personal.

I think the question is, is the promise of adding unique material to this article sufficient to keep the article. Also we are supposed to vote Keep or Delete, suggest you label your post as such Keizers (talk) 21:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It's been a while since I've participated in AfD, so forgive me if I'm hazy on AfD criteria.

I notice that some cities have daughter articles entitled "Demographics of (cityname)". Perhaps it's appropriate for Atlanta to have one as well. The bulky tables and demographic details can be shunted off to the Demo article (see, for example, Demographics of New York City. As Mmann suggests, the article can grow over time. The main article on Atlanta would include just a brief encapsulation of ATL demographics. I'd suggest leaving "black mecca" in the summary within the Atlanta article as I suspect that it's an important topic and will merit its own article (Atlanta and African-American Culture or something like that?)

I'm hoping that the two involved editors can come to an amicable meeting of the minds. Cheers, Majoreditor (talk) 04:25, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What you are describing is what we already had. We had a Demographics of Atlanta article which contained exactly what was in the main Atlanta article. And with a promise that it would develop into more over time, which it hasn't. So the question is - how long do we keep a Demographics article which contains no additional information vs. the main article? I mean, I just don't see the point, the just get out of sync. Keizers (talk) 05:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect back to Atlanta article. I don't see that the size of the demographics section in the Atlanta article is so large that it needs its own section, although I can see with further expansion that may be necessary. I suggest that any expansion occur within the Atlanta article, and when it grows to an extent that makes it difficult to sustain as a section, that it be split off to the Demographics article per Wikipedia:Summary style, after some talk page discussion. -- Whpq (talk) 18:46, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce (talk | contribs) 04:45, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is actually a split/merge decision. There is enough material in Demographics of Atlanta to justify an article, and there is room for growth. The section in the Atlanta article contains two tables that are better in a dedicated article than in a general article on the town, so can be cut down. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 18:35, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, causa sui (talk) 00:07, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The article at this time appears to have been further expanded and improved, and has much more information compared to the demographics section of the Atlanta article. This is definitely not a duplicate of the demographics section of the Atlanta article at this time. A reasonable content fork that adds value to the Wikipedia project. Northamerica1000^(talk) 04:01, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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