Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deborah Owusu-Bonsu

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR). (non-admin closure) NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:57, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deborah Owusu-Bonsu

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Non-notable individual lacking non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 21:13, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me to say what does notability mean to you User talk:reddogsix? She's notable in Ghana and beyond especially for her song "Uncle Obama". A simple Google should proves right. She was even interviewed by the CNN. So what else shows she's not notable? Therefore this article shouldn't be deleted. Regards →Enock4seth ^(talk) 21:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - You have not provided references to the article that support your claim of notability. I can say the moon is made of cream cheese, but without proof all I have done is make an unverifiable statement. All you need to do is add [{WP:IS|independent]], verifiable, non-trivial references to the article that supports WP:BIO. reddogsix (talk) 22:25, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:48, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:48, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 13:02, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think she is definitely notable. Her brother is a famous singer/rapper, and she herself is very known in Ghana, she is TV host in Ghana and gets a lot of Media coverage around the World (i.e. the United States, the U.K., Switzerland, and of course all over Africa through dish network (Channel O, MTV Africa etc.). Sister Deborah is known and is a celebrity in West Africa. She is known as Sister Deborah as a vocalist, Deborah Vanessa or simply Deborah as a TV Talkshow host and the article should not be deleted in my opinion. (Subzzee (talk) 18:17, 10 March 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Comment - No one has provided any non-trivial support for her notability. As far as her brother and sister's notability, notability is not inherited so their assumed notability is irrelevant. reddogsix (talk) 20:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Links to prove that she is known:

Comment - Getting an article in Wikipedia is not about being "known" or being popular. Articles must be supported by indpendent, verifable, non-trivial secondary sources. The first article above is a brief mention, the second is a brief mention of her TV show., the third is might pass as support, but the last is a brief mention and a link to a primary source.reddogsix (talk) 19:49, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Red Dog at this point I feel you are being difficult, Ghana is a country of 25 million people, quite a large population, Sister Deborah is not only a recording artist who is known across Africa and popular figure in her native land, she hosts one of if not the most popular talk show in the country. Ask any Ghanaian who she is. I dug those references up in 5 minutes. If you need me to dig up the entire internet to prove that this woman is a celebrity in her native country and worthy of an article on Wikipedia, I can do that as well. But Sister Deborah is known for a) Her fashion line first and foremost. b) Her music career. c) Her role in television and Ghanaian popular culture (ie.e radio, hosting events etc.) one could argue that her brother Wanlov the Kubolor is more famous then her. But truth of the matter is she is more mainstream and more popular then her brother in West Africa, particularly for her role in Ghanaian fashion. Having been involved in high profile Fashion shows across the Globe from New York City to Japan (Subzzee (talk) 21:59, 11 March 2014 (UTC))[reply]

My biggest issue is the name. Her full name is Deborah Vanessa Owusu-Bonsu, as a Talkshow host she most known as Deborah Vanessa, and as a singer she is known as Sister Deborah. The article goes by Deborah Owusu Bonsu, which is in fact her real name, but I believe she is more known by her stage name Sister Deborah, or as Deborah Vanessa, I guess it depends on the context given. Deborah Owusu-Bonsu is her real name so I guess it is correct after all. (Subzzee (talk) 19:34, 11 March 2014 (UTC))[reply]

No opinion on keep or delete, but just wanted to point out that the actual name of the article is only a minor issue. Figure out which is the canonical name, and call the article that. Then, take all the other possibilities (i.e. strings a user might type into a search box) and make them all redirects to the canonical one. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Allow me to offer a similar individual who might currently be more nation-centric as well: Tyra Banks. Banks is more internationally notable, but for AfD's sake, her article has 56 references, detailing almost every section and sentence. Here, we have a section with a list that has not one source. How does the random visitor know that she was a runway model for [insert company name]? — Wylie pedia 13:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply Don't get me wrong the article needs a lot of work and a lot more references as well. As it stands now it looks more like a curriculum vitae then a biographical article suitable for Wikipedia. So on that note I completely agree, this article needs a lot of improvement. But I don't think it needs to be deleted. Deborah is in fact well known in Ghana. She is a celebrity who is seen on billboards around Accra advertising various products, and is worthy of an article on Wikipedia in my opinion. (Subzzee (talk) 19:43, 12 March 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Comment - "Real-World" notability (popularity) does not equal notability. Just because she is "well known" in Ghana or appears on billboards is not a reason for inclusion into Wikipedia. reddogsix (talk) 21:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, seems I will have to dig up the internet for you then, you clearly don't have an understanding of who she is. I also don't believe you have an understanding of who is and who isn't a celebrity in Ghana, or even what for. I don't think you know what you are dealing with here, because if you had ever spent significant time in Ghana, or any country in West Africa for that matter, you would know who she is and understand why she deserves to have an article on Wikipedia. She is a Fashion designer/Vocalist who has singles in the charts in more then one country, and is the host of one of the most popular television shows in the country. Furthermore this is the English Wikipedia, which happens to also be the national language of Ghana, a country in which Sister Deborah is well known and respected. I will add more articles to further prove her notability (although I am a bit surprised that you don't consider CNN or MTV as credible sources proving her notability) (Subzzee (talk) 18:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Comment - Please read WP:42. reddogsix (talk) 22:10, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Reply You act like that would be hard to find. I am at work now, but a bit later I will give you the references you asked for. (Subzzee (talk) 17:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Comment - Please don't assume to read my mind or my actions, providing references is not my WP:BURDEN. reddogsix (talk) 17:13, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr^\ talk / 05:11, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note — Please constrain arguments to policy and guideline-based rationales. The primary challenge to this article is based on the general notability guideline (GNG) and the specific notability guidelines for actors and actresses. Arguments should help demonstrate how the subject meets (or does not meet) those guidelines (and/or various other policies, if applicable). --slakr^\ talk / 05:15, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.