Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DeathBoy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. --Bongwarrior (talk) 17:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DeathBoy

Seemingly non-notable musician - doesn't seem to me to pass any WP:MUSIC criteria. Further explanation on talk page. What i thought was a fairly neutral {{notability}} was quickly removed by creator. Seeking consensus/opinion. tomasz. 16:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I removed the {{notability}} tag, as this article has already been debated for notability two years ago. I do not appreciate your insinuation of WP:OWN and a WP:COI on my part as being the article's creator. I just read the stuff, I didn't make this. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies, i clearly misread the history. i appreciate that you didn't create the article and that therefore the acronyms you infer as applying to you, don't. With regards to removing the tag, i don't think a debate two years ago necessarily casts anything in stone. After all, it could be that that one was wrong. tomasz. 20:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - doesn't appear to meet WP:BAND, except maybe for having a song in a video game.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets 4, 5 & 10 of WP:BAND. The artist is certainly niche (UK Industrial), but we don't limit notability to artists that we listen to personally. They've released albums on an important label within their genre (Wasp Factory Records). They've played the major UK festival for that genre (Whitby Gothic Weekend) and also internationally in Canada. They've also had their work included on a major game soundtrack (Project Gotham Racing). They're also still active today, should anyone care to pitch "Not doing much recently" as a (bogus) reason for non-notability. Additionally they've also had Lee Chaos as a past member, who's so well-known in the UK Industrial scene that no-one even bothered to create a mere wiki page to describe him (if you cared, you'd already know). Andy Dingley (talk) 17:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Very very very weak keep Meets the spirit of WP:MUSIC by a millimeter in my opinion. This vote should be counted as a delete if no reliable sources appear by the end of the AfD, however. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources confer verifiability, not notability. There's GF discussion as to whether DeathBoy's clearly non-trivial notability is sufficient to count as being encyclopedically notable, but where's the problem in proving this? Andy Dingley (talk) 18:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because it isn't enough to simply claim notability, it has to be backed up by reliable sources. If no such sources exist, an encyclopedia article isn't possible. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course not, but what verification are you short of? Andy Dingley (talk) 18:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd just like to point out that the album pages, Music to Crash Cars To and End of an Error, have in their review lists reviews by some music magazines and individuals that Wikipedia counts as notable. So if we take notable magazines as reliable sources, DeathBoy has had pretty significant media coverage. Xmoogle (talk) 08:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This same issue came up in 2006. Those interested might care to look at the talk page Talk:DeathBoy#2006 notability debate Andy Dingley (talk) 19:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Rather notable musician in some circles, released by both Wasp Factory Recordings and Line Out Records, used in a video game, talked about by Mick Mercer quite a bit in his online magazines... etc etc etc. Xmoogle (talk) 00:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I'd have to agree with the comments above. The genre doesn't lend itself to mainstream media coverage, but they've played notable festivals (such as WGW) and seem to be notable within that genre. --Mrph (talk) 22:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Very notable in the genre, out side have made into games and the press. Hopefully this discussion will prompt someone to update the article and add citations to Metal Hammer etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegreatgonzo (talk • contribs) 08:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
strong keep - while a niche artist that doesn't mean we should get rid of them. Deathboy is quite well known in a lot of bloging circles due to the lead singers LiveJournal, and several mentions of their work by Warren Ellis. Add to that the PGR3 and other game appearances I'd say they meet the notable requirement - probably not by much, but enough that I'm surprised that the article was even nominated DarkCryst (talk) 18:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Seems to have third party references for the band and their albums (on that point, I note that each of their albums have their own article, and no one seems to have a problem with that?). Mdwh (talk) 19:06, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.