Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Dale (New York politician)

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The result was delete. Tone 11:31, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

David Dale (New York politician)

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WP:BLP of a person notable only as a former member of a county government. This is not a level of political office that gets an automatic free pass over WP:NPOL -- but the references here are 50 per cent primary sources that are not support for notability at all, and 50 per cent deadlinked routine local coverage in a smalltown community hyperlocal. This is not a sufficient depth, range or volume of coverage to make a county councillor notable. Bearcat (talk) 07:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 07:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 07:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Lightburst (talk) 21:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC) [reply]

Delete Clear WP:GNG and WP:NPOL fail. Best, GPL93 (talk) 11:57, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete We really need to do better at cleaning out these articles on non-notable local level politicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments - I'm torn here. Normally, articles about a county official are deleted, but this might be a special case. He did garner ongoing coverage in reliable sources. I recall this scandal; it was big news in Upstate New York. The community would have to decide if that's enough. Bearian (talk) 21:18, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Yunshui ^雲 _水 09:57, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, non notable politician who fails NPOL yet passes WP:GNG. Subject became notable by being disbarred in 2005 for malfeasance, and a felony arrest and conviction 2012 for practicing as a disbarred lawyer, and denial of appeal in 2016. I added several sources including New York State Court of appeals and Buffalo news. Lightburst (talk) 21:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete total WP:NPOL fail and now that we've included details of his malfeasance in the stub, a negative WP:BLP for a relatively private individual. SportingFlyer T·C 07:30, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Editors use the WP:BLP argument far too often. Subject is not a relatively private individual...was a Erie County Legislator (during his bitter campaign there was a NY State Supreme Court decision about Dale's residency), he was a Village attorney, he had a very public conviction and 2 very public appeals, one in 2013 and another to the New York State Court of Appeals. Was convicted and served time for his crime. Notable per WP:RS. Are we going to scrub court records and news articles from the public domain? We do not serve our readers with deletion. WP:ATD WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE Lightburst (talk) 13:16, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The notability test for local politicians is not just the ability to demonstrate a local profile in their own local area — every local politician can always claim to be locally prominent, by the very definition of being a local politician. The notability test for municipal or county level politicians, the thing that has to be satisfied in order to claim that they're "high profile" enough to warrant a Wikipedia article, is the ability to demonstrate that their profile and/or importance transcended the purely local and turned into a nationalized profile. Bearcat (talk) 16:53, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete Even taking into account the controversies about his disbarment and jail sentence, I couldn't find any national-level coverage of any of this beyond the paltry local Buffalo coverage. Whatever exists doesn't seem to point to a reason why this suburban disgraced politician (who served for only a year) deserves an encyclopedia article. StonyBrook (talk) 00:59, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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