Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlotte Eyerman

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The result was keep. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 01:19, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte Eyerman

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fails WP:GNG. A before search only threw up a couple of local news stories and affiliated sources. Dom from Paris (talk) 19:32, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Sources are sufficient. Subject was director and CEO of a notable museum. -- econterms (talk) 22:54, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Econterms: Unless I'm very much mistaken notability is not inherited. I looked over the new sources do you mind pointing out which ones are in depth independent coverage as I can only see passing mentions in RS. The rest are associated sources. Dom from Paris (talk) 09:34, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not making a legal or administrative claim, just stating my view. The subject also received an award whose recipients are treated as notable on this list: List of members of the Ordre des Arts et des Lettres -- econterms (talk) 21:34, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:48, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Interesting concept that WP:INHERITED means we should not argue that people are notable on account of the jobs they do. That's not my reading. My take is that, even if a job is notable, a person doing it is not notable unless they are personally covered in independent, reliable sources. For example.[1][2][3] WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO do not discount local sources. Thincat (talk) 10:07, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As it says "Inherited notability is the idea that something qualifies for an article merely because it was associated with some other, legitimately notable subjects. This is usually phrased as "____ is notable, because it is associated with Important" there are a lot of very notable organisations for which the CEO is not considered as notable over and above his relation with that organisation. I would also say that readership does matter. The Californian has a distribution of something between 7and 10k. There is an essay that I can't pay my hands on that explains that distribution matters. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:49, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Domdeparis no there isn't any policy regarding how large the circulation of a source is. All that matters is that it's a reliable source. Essays aren't policy. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:32, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree essays are not.policy but would a piece in a local paper with a circulation of 10k be sufficient to show notability for all biographies? If it is then we are going to have a hard time in AfD debates because most local businessmen will pass that one. Authors require much stricter levels of notability as do actors. If you are saying that this article is good enough for GNG we might as well forget the topic specific guidelines because everyone will be able to pull up local news coverage for almost any subject. Dom from Paris (talk) 23:42, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I found the piece I was looking.for and it is actually policy but it refers to organisations WP:AUD. I am curious to know what you think..Dom from Paris (talk) 23:57, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She passes GNG at least with profiles of her in several sources, however, she also passes CREATIVE with reviews of her work and her high-level jobs in the Museum world. Added sources to the article, including the reviews of the books.
Keep As above. I have fixed some sources and strengthened the lead. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, Hello. Many thanks to all for your comments. This Eyerman submission is my first article for Wikipedia. As a participant at the Edit-a-Thon on March 17 at National Museum of Women in the Arts, I followed the assigned focus: women museum directors or gallerists. I had seen the exhibition Eyerman curated in Rome, Italy, was impressed on that one occasion I met her, and from afar have followed her trajectory. Wikipedia experts present at the Edit-a-Thon said that Eyerman would be a good candidate, but to build a case and find citations. The time constraints at the museum did not allow for all guidelines to be explained. All of your comments have helped to clarify. I may not be able to get back on Wikipedia again this week, but will add better citations and fill in as much as possible. Many thanks to those who have made additions; they are much appreciated. Agree that don't want to add any Tizio, Caio, or Sempronio to Wikipedia. I carefully considered this candidate before selecting and will gladly ferret out other material, but defer to your judgements as to whether I am on track with this. If this is in limbo, I'm glad to give it some boosts upward. Thank you! - these words added by article creator, OnTheRoad21C, to the top of this afd, i have moved them here as a "comment". Coolabahapple (talk) 11:37, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, meets WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE, article reflects this with sources included, here are some notes ive made (some may be seen as snips) that also contribute to notability ie. "well known" and "number of reviews" - Charlotte Eyerman: Music and Modern Art (pp. 38-60) - Playing the Market: Renoir's Young Girls at the Piano Series of 1892 by Charlotte N. Eyerman - 400 libraries, Courbet and the Modern Landscape: New York Times review - - "whose landscapes are the subject of a bracing exhibition at the Walters Art Museum. “Courbet and the Modern Landscape” was organized at the J. Paul Getty Museum by Mary Morton and Charlotte Eyerman, its associate and assistant curators of paintings, ... As Ms. Eyerman details in her catalog essay ..." - 500 libraries, Birthing the Nation: Sex, Science, and the Conception of Eighteenth-Century Britons - "Acknowledgements: and to Charlotte Eyerman for her boundless enthusiasm and support." - 1150 libraries, Modern Antiquity: Picasso, De Chirico, Leger, Picabia - "For their help during the planning and organizing stage we would also like to acknowledge ... Charlotte Eyerman, ..." - 340 libraries, book reviews: of Old Masters, Impressionists, and Moderns: French Masterworks from the State Pushkin Museum, Moscow in Nineteenth-Century French Studies - "This weighty tome on classic French painting from the seventeenth to the twentieth centuries, which includes examples from Impressionism and Cubism, gathers a large number of rare paintings and masterpieces from the greatest French painters.", and in The Burlington Magazine: looks like a short review from the thumb view - 380 libraries, exhibition reviews: LA Times Blog review of Artistic Evolution - "On the mezzanine of the rotunda between the museum's Hall of Dinosaurs and its Hall of Mammals, "Artistic Evolution" looks sideways at creationism -- not the kind undertaken by science-deniers armed with sacred texts but by artists equipped with paintbrushes and curiosity.", Courbet and the Modern Landscape - reviews by Newington-Cropsey Cultural Studies Center - ""Courbet and the Modern Landscape" which ended recently a year-long tour at the Walters Art Museum in Baltimore, is a tight show with a solid thesis.", Institute of Art History Czech Academy of Sciences review of Cubisti Cubismo - "The curator, Charlotte N. Eyerman, an art historian from Los Angeles, planned it as a wide-ranging survey of Cubists and Cubism, from Picasso, through Russian artists, to figures from the USA (Max Weber) and Great Britain (Wyndham Lewis).", received Chevalier Ordre des Arts et des Lettres (up to 200 per year) - "for her promotion of French culture and heritage as a scholar, curator, and museum professional over the past 20 years.", Monterey County Weekly - Monterey County Now "Charlotte Eyerman ushers in a new era at the Monterey Museum of Art." - background piece. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:47, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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