Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben River (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:57, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ben River

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Previously deleted in 2013 as he was deemed non-notable back then. In my view, he still fails WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:GNG even in 2021. There are a plethora of references and external links but none of them are enough to show a passing of GNG, for multiple reasons. I will summarise my views in a source assessment below. In my WP:BEFORE search using "River Styx", "Ben River" and "Hicham Bensassi" as well as using these names in conjunction with other artists that he collaborated with and projects that he worked on, I only found one source not already cited. I will add this to the assessment table as #16. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:28, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:28, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:28, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:28, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment - no WP:SIGCOV found. Article is the main part of a walled garden created by the same user, who also submitted Angel Headed Hip Hop, The Moonlight Orchestra and Gold Fish Bowl, which I have also nominated for deletion. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table
Source	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.laurelcanyonuk.com/ben-river/		he isn't mentioned	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20160605135104/http://www.folkwords.com/folkwordsreviews_94176.html	I can't find any indication that 'Folkwords' is reliable.	I am concerned that the website is unreliable (not professional journalism) and the review itself doesn't have any in-depth coverage of River	✘ No
http://www.newantiquerecords.com/ben-river-frontier-ep/		Routine announcement on his own record label's site	✘ No
http://indieobsessive.blogspot.com/2016/01/monday-love-by-ben-river-song-review.html	Blogspot sources are never reliable and should be ignored		✘ No
http://blues.gr/profiles/blogs/q-a-with-lee-harris-ben-river-daevid-allen-the-moonlight	Blog	Q&A on a blog, notability is based on what others say about River not what he says about himself	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20150908011104/http://www.hailmaryjane.com/the-moonlight-orchestra-traipsing-bloom-album-review-2/		A user-submitted 'review' on a website about cannabis	✘ No
https://www.thegenepool.co.uk/items/angel-headed-hip-hop/307.htm		No coverage to speak of	✘ No
https://www.mail-archive.com/sixties-l@googlegroups.com/msg01583.html		Passing mention	✘ No
http://www.flyahmagazine.com/2015/05/ben-river-when-sun-ate-moon-ep.html	User-submitted content	As per http://www.flyahmagazine.com/p/sub.html this is user-submitted so shouldn't count.	✘ No
http://www.newantiquerecords.com/ben-river-when-the-sun-ate-the-moon-ep/		This is River's own label	✘ No
http://www.newantiquerecords.com/ben-river-frontier-ep/		As above	✘ No
https://themusicsite.com/music-news/reviews/stunning-ep-from-ben-river-out-now	Possibly reliable, not sure	Routine EP announcements don't confer notability	✘ No
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03cg418		Without being able to listen to this, we can't be certain but appearing on one BBC London show does not automatically make you notable enough for a stand-alone article in any case	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20110108022950/http://artifactrecords.com/release.php?releaseID=11		Definitely not	✘ No
http://web-old.archive.org/web/20160313113234/http://sangitasounds.com/the-moonlight-orchestra-traipsing-bloom/	Blog	Blog post, doesn't support GNG	✘ No
http://blues.gr/profiles/blogs/interview-lee-harris-echoes-of-the-underground-a-foot-soldiers?overrideMobileRedirect=1	Blog	Mentioned only trivially and it's a blog Q&A, so hardly the best type of source	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Delete does not meet our inclusion criteria for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:49, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Spiderone's source assessment is very helpful. The musician has some media mentions about new releases and live appearances, but most are from unreliable sources and none are significant. Beyond those sources already analyzed by Spiderone, I can find nothing else but the musician's own social media and some basic streaming/retail entries. This article might be an attempted promotion. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 02:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. --Devoke water 10:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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