Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Artemis Entreri

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 12:23, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Artemis Entreri

Non-notable fictional character. Unreferenced article is written completely inuniverse, no secondary sources available for this character -- failure to meet WP:N Bbwlover 01:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete need more evidence of notability--how many books was the char. in? Why is he notable? JJL 03:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: If important to the book, merge. Doesn't assert any notability though. - Rjd0060 04:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No secondary sources to establish notability or provide real world context. -- Jay32183 (talk) 20:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. A very notable character, the main antagonist, and then protagonist from more than ten books. (with which of them would you merge him?) I've added some references to book reviews where character is described.

Comment: The war waged on D&D characters seems to me pointless and biased - why all the major D&D characters are nominated for deletion, while no one cares, for example, about cartoon characters, even such minor as Vladimir Goudenov Grizzlikof?Garret Beaumain (talk) 14:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Beans, man, Beans. ◄Zahakiel ► 17:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:WAX, The existence, or lack thereof, of any other page has no impact on the this discussion. Those pages to which you're referring might need to be deleted too. Jay32183 (talk) 19:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the point is not "What about X?" but rather, "Why start with the more notable characters instead of with the less notable ones? Powers ^T 00:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't make a difference. There isn't more or less notable on Wikipedia. Either there is significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources independent of the topic, or there isn't. The condition of any other article is irrelevant in this discussion, unless a merger is proposed. In that case only the condition of the target suggested would matter in the discussion. Jay32183 (talk) 05:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No one's saying the comment was necessarily relevant to the specific question under discussion here; that's why it was labeled "Comment" instead of with "keep" or "delete". Powers ^T 21:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep per Garret Beaumain. As for the cartoon characters, they just haven't gotten to them yet, but they will. ➳ Quin 15:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The guy is in several best-selling novels. A non-notable character wouldn't move from being an enemy in someone elses' books to getting his own books, would he? If the article is flawed, fix it, don't delete it. It's in-universe? Then re-write it, don't nominate for deletion. That's stupid. Howa0082 (talk) 16:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious Keep - To answer the question of an editor above (from the article in question): ten well-known, full-length novels, four short stories, three video games. There has to be a point at which common sense presumes (taken from WP:N) an obvious notability beyond mere subjective editors' judgments. If secondary sources are the sticking-point, I don't think it is very clever to take the position that these sources do not exist at all, simply because this article hasn't yet received the necessary attention. As a major antagonist of another well-known and referenced character, it is entirely unreasonable to suppose that these same sources do not make significant mention of this one also. Article needs cleanup and sourcing, not deletion. ◄Zahakiel ► 17:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Good sourcing. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 21:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Keep as per Zahakiel. Edward321 (talk) 03:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletions. --Gavin Collins (talk) 10:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - major Forgotten Realms villain, appeared in The Crystal Shard, Streams of Silver, The Halfling's Gem, The Legacy, and Starless Night. BOZ (talk) 16:11, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That doesn't mean secondary sources are available. Wikipedia is not a collection of plot summaries. Sources providing real world context are require, and there's no indication that such sources exist. Jay32183 (talk) 21:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. —Powers ^T 00:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sorry but this is one of the MAIN villians in this series and as his own series. Has notibility as he series is fairly popular and well know. Æon ^{Insanity Now!} 22:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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