Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aden Region

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The result was redirect‎ to Federalization of Yemen. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aden Region

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Does not demonstrate notability independent of Federalization of Yemen, currently consists almost solely of irrelevant content copied from other pages. Remsense诉 16:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Yemen-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This is an official federal region of yemen that was officially accepted as a part of the National Dialogue Conference. Obviously no new sources would exist about it as attention has drifted towards the Yemeni Civil War. This page should stay, the same way articles about PROPOSED separatist STATES exist here Abo Yemen ✉ 17:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right—that's why I think its scope is limited to Federalization of Yemen for the moment, it's an unfortunate case of WP:NOTYET. Remsense诉 17:34, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i think you were referring to WP:TOOSOON? Abo Yemen ✉ 17:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well we could at least drafitfy it Abo Yemen ✉ 17:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, my bad, I meant WP:TOOSOON. I am not sure what the exact norm is for a situation like this where a subject is likely to become notable vis a vis draftspace. Remsense诉 17:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is, in this case it's not likely to become notable soon. The National Dialogue Conference was a full decade ago, and Yemen is facing renewed military actions by a US-led coalition leaving its political future in total uncertainty. There is no reason to assume that these political subdivisions will ever be implemented along the lines of the original proposal. If and when there is progress towards federalization, covered by secondary sources, it will become appropriate to create articles. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
a quick reminder that the General Secretary of the National Dialogue Conference, bin Mubarak, now became the prime minister of Yemen Abo Yemen ✉ 18:33, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wish everyone the best, but it would be much more convincing to have any official communication published regarding the direct subject of the article. Remsense诉 18:35, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i don't think that the history of the region is irrelevant to it... Abo Yemen ✉ 17:28, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Federalization of Yemen alongside Azal Region, Hadramout Region, Janad Region, Sheba Region, Tihama Region. There is no significant coverage of these regions as federal regions of Yemen, although Aden and Hadramout are separately notable as historical political and geographical areas. There is no reason to believe that the regions' status or their level of coverage will change anytime soon given the political situation in Yemen at the moment and the fact that the implementation of this federalization plan has been an open-ended proposal since 2017. The current articles are misleading and do a disservice to the reader by implying that these are actually-existing or soon-to-exist divisions. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hadramout Region article is a relatively well done article; i think it should be merged with the hadhramout article. Another thing to do with the Aden and Janad articles is to make them about the geographic and historical region and not the political federal region as they are very notable but no articles about them really exist at the moment. Also can i have some to copy these articles to my sandbox incase they actually become implemented? Abo Yemen ✉ 18:01, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My suggestion is that these should be redirects for now, so the text will remain accessible in the pages' history, accessible at any time via the page history or direct link. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aha seems fine for me (for articles other than the Aden region and Hadhramout region which i suggest transforming them to articles about the geographical/historical region). Abo Yemen ✉ 18:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For Hadhramout, is there anything in that scope that isn't covered by Hadhramaut? For Aden we do appear to currently lack an article that discusses a region beyond the city (other than Gulf of Aden, which is mostly about the waterway, and various articles about historical states in the area e.g. State of Aden, Aden Protectorate, Chief Commissioner's Province of Aden, etc.). Part of the challenge then would be identifying what the full extent of Aden is, as defined by reliable sources. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:01, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the Hadhramout article, the history section is noticeably different; Economy section could be expanded abit by the merge; and the "Architecture & Tourism" section could be added as an "Architecture" section to the main article along with some parts of the "Agriculture" section Abo Yemen ✉ 03:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And for the aden region we can try to find sources from the access that we have to the wikipedia library Abo Yemen ✉ 03:19, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 03:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.