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Eastern European neologisms

Hi, I recently started a page in my user space, you are welcome to share your thoughts here. --Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 09:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I will, and I will support merging ALL of them, not one here and one there though. It has to all or non, in my humble opinion, because only then can we get rid of the bullshit. --Russavia Dialogue 21:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Embassy names

Why did you move the Angolan embassy to the other name? The Angolans refer to their embassies of XX in Country instead of XX in City [1]. the guideline at the International relations WikiProject isn't set in stone. Any thoughts? WhisperToMe (talk) 14:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Please refer to Category:Diplomatic missions in Moscow in which all articles are "in Moscow". As these articles are more on the building than the diplomatic mission (but which details can also be included). The most correct term is "Embassy of Angola to Russia", but most common usage is "in", and usually in the city. I don't see a need to overly complicate things, although redirects could be created to current articles. Thoughts? --Russavia Dialogue 21:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Reply to your question

I am not sure about the copyright and Wikisource. You can find some relevant refs in our articles about these books. Thank you.Biophys (talk) 17:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Note for self

Get non-watermarked version of: * File:Volga Avia-Express Yakovlev Yak-42.jpg

Or just crop it :) It is under GFDL, after all.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:00, February 5, 2009 (UTC)
Nah, I will get the non-watermarked version from Alex directly. --Russavia Dialogue 21:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

List to upload without watermark

German Consulate In Saint-Petersburg

Надеюсь, ты не успел найти фотографии этого здания до того, как я смогла помочь :) Lvova Anastasiya (talk) 09:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Lvova, thanks for the photos, I will add them to the article also. But there are some redlinks, which I am guessing you are uploading? Also, it's good to hear that you have been unblocked also, I am surprised it took so damned long for them to unblock you. Keep smiling, and I am sure we will be in touch. Beers and cheers --Russavia Dialogue 09:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
(Я недавно из поезда, поэтому буду писать по-русски, иначе ты меня не поймешь; хорошо? ;)) Я не думала, что ты отреагируешь быстрее, чем завершится загрузка!
И спасибо за поддержку, мне сейчас тяжеловато :( Lvova Anastasiya (talk) 10:07, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Neither did I think I would respond so fast, but I have been uploading a ton of photos for User:Russavia/Airlines. Remember I was saying about the ITAR-TASS photographer? I got her permission and it is now on OTRS. Refer to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Russia#Photos_available_-_if_need_any_contact_me; if there are any photos you would like me to upload, drop me a line and I will be more than happy to upload them for you, if they aren't on the list of photos she'd rather me not upload. Great photos of the consulate building too, thanks for those, I am sure we will be able to use them on the list, and perhaps on an article on the building too...we really should get you over here on enwiki sometime, it would be great to have some more ruwiki editors over here from time to time. Hope you enjoyed your trip to SPb too. --Russavia Dialogue 10:17, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Я была бы рада помочь, но если общаться с тобой в чате на английском я ещё могу, то писать статьи - точно нет... :(
Поздравляю и благодарю одновременно за успешную работу с фотографом! Её фотографии более чем хороши, я постараюсь иметь их ввиду, особенно если всё-таки приду в себя и действительно останусь в проекте...
А в Петербурге вообще есть много чего забавного, не только консульства :) Lvova Anastasiya (talk) 10:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Take it easy, take a break from WP even and be stress-free. Don't let it bother you too much. Nice photo :) Here's some photos from a guy in SPb who has provided quite a few photos of consulates in SPb for me, and is somewhat higher quality artwork that the car in your photo -- [2]; SPb carnival; SPb tattoo convention; and street art. SPb kicks arse!! BTW, if you want to email me, feel free, russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com, beers and cheers --Russavia Dialogue 10:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


Barnstar

The Purple Barnstar
I Pocopocopocopoco award the Purple Star to Russavia for putting up with a lot of crap in the last few months and continuing your contribution to the project.
  • Thanks Pocopocopocopoco, I will not be letting obsessive compulsives scare me away from contributing, although their harrassment is clearly intended to do exactly that, and I will continue to contribute to the project, now and in the future. Beers and cheers, --Russavia Dialogue 09:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

unsourced info

Hi! your statistics on Africas largest Airlines by Numbers does not provide any verifiable sources may i as where yu got you figured from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.70.156 (talk) 17:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, I didn't do these articles, I actually nominated them all for deletion, due to that fact, I would suggest you contact one of the other editors, probably the first listed editor, who I believe is User:Huaiwei. You may want to take note of WP:V, which states that if information is not sourced it can be removed (note it in edit summaries), and the WP:BURDEN then is placed on the editor who inserts such information to source it. Sorry I couldn't help with sources. Cheers --Russavia Dialogue 17:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

RE: Air International request

G'day from Oz; I don't have the copy of Air International, but I saw a book by those two authors - titled Russian Airlines and Their Aircraft or something similar - in a bookshop this afternoon. YSSYguy (talk) 10:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the book is called Aeroflot: An Airline and its Aircraft by R.E.G. Davies. I have that book, and there are other books in the series, Pan Am, Lufthansa, etc, and a good search may show where they can be downloaded ;) --Russavia Dialogue 10:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

No, this book was by Gordon and Komissarov. The bookshop is only five or six blocks from where I live, I can go back and get the exact details if you want them. YSSYguy (talk) 11:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, ok, I know the one you mean. This one? --Russavia Dialogue 12:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

That's the one; see ya! YSSYguy (talk) 12:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

1993 Russian constitutional crisis

Hi again, could you please take a look? The article despite its FA status gained (in 2005, I think) has many problems and there are unresolved issues on talk page. --Miacek and his crime-fighting dogM. se fâche(woof!) 15:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, I will take a look and will provide my input. --Russavia Dialogue 02:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Michael Wines

I've blocked you for 8h for edit warring there, per the talk page William M. Connolley (talk) 10:46, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Oops, mistake. You are now unblocked, but probably auto blocked. I'll see about that William M. Connolley (talk) 10:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Stubs

I realize I may be working my way through to another trout treatment, but what do you think about changing all federal subject-specific stub types from geo-stub to just stub (e.g., {{PrimorskyKrai-geo-stub}} would become {{PrimorskyKrai-stub}}? That would allow to include the region-specific stubs on topics other than geography (like flags, politicians, historical events, etc.) and, since you already have experience re-tagging stubs, the switch should take you no time at all (*ducking*). What do you think?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:09, February 16, 2009 (UTC)

Apart from the massive slapping with a Russian sturgeon, I don't think that's such a good idea, as I think we still have to have geo stubs? Although, another stub such {{PrimorskyKrai-stub}}, as you suggested, for other PK articles might be a good idea? How best to do it I guess? --Russavia Dialogue 09:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Why do we have to have geo stubs? I mean, they are working fine now, but that's only because so many of them were mass-produced in the past that everything else pretty much blends into the background. Still, you might be right about this in the long run—once other topics start getting developed, we may at some point find ourselves in a situation when xx-stubs would have to be split again into xx-geo-stubs and xx-whatever-else-stubs. Perhaps, for now, it would be best to upmerge all xx-geo-stubs into corresponding xx-stubs (to be able to tag region-specific articles on other topics properly) and then re-split them as time goes by and stub cats grow?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:57, February 17, 2009 (UTC)
OK, so we get rid of all geo stubs and simply stub/sort them by federal subject? If you think that is best, then let's do it? No guesses for who will be doing the tagging though? :) --Russavia Dialogue 16:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
If by "get rid" you mean "upmerge", then yes, I think that's probably the best way for now. As for the actual tagging, I wish I could help, but I don't want to.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:43, February 17, 2009 (UTC)
Say, we could always be evil. If I was to nominate, say, User:Alex Bakharev to do this, would you second my nomination? --Russavia Dialogue 17:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
He would be my second choice, but yeah, sure. Now, all we need is an enforcement mechanism of some kind, and then we'd be able to distribute jobs left and right.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:54, February 17, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, he's only your second choice? Who was your first if I may be so bold to ask? Enforcement mechanism? Hmmm....well you're Russian, I'm a Russophile, I am sure that if we put our heads together we could come up with some mechanism of enforcement. Unfortunately, being a Russophile, I can't recall anything in Russia's history where there were such mechanisms. Perhaps a phone call to Putin may give us some ideas? --Russavia Dialogue 18:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, first choice... who might that have been?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:17, February 17, 2009 (UTC)
Well, there you go. Your first choice is why you are an admin, and why am I an editor; admins don't have to use their noggins. Alex is my first choice, as he has this wondrous bot, which I am sure he would be able to program, or come up with another automated way, to do all the stubbing for us automatically. About which, I discussed with him some time ago when the idea of adding to the WPRUSSIA template was briefly discussed, and he said that he would be able to automate the process of adding that template to talk pages, etc. So perhaps we could give him something to do to keep him occupied; lord knows I've got enough already to do, what with User:Russavia/Airlines, List of Heroes of the Russian Federation (arrghhh cite templates), and about 3 million other things I've started which I need to get finished sooner or later. So what say you, we approach Alex and see if his bot would be able to do all this mundane stuff; it saves me doing it, and saves you get slapped every other week. --Russavia Dialogue 18:26, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Bots-shmots, I prefer a human touch :) But if having 3,000,001 things to do compared with just 3,000,000 makes so much difference to you, let's try Alex and see what he says. By the way, do not let my (lack of) activity deceive you—I am hard at work trying to bring that damned database of Russian places up to snuff, so it could be used for a bot run covering all of Russia in one swift swoop. I was hoping to finish it by this May and to have a complete disambiguation scheme in place by fall, but am still only ~60% done (speaking of arrrggghh)... I used to put all the blame on work, but now you are in the picture as well :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:48, February 17, 2009 (UTC)
Blame-schlame. I'll leave a message on his talk page directing him to this discussion, and see what he has to say. I'll warn him you the telephone in one hand and are ready to dial, that will give him some incentive. --Russavia Dialogue 19:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I can do it with AWB or a similar tool. Do we have to have a formal CFD (TFD?) first? It will be a pity to have an edit warring on the issue after it will be done. Alex Bakharev (talk) 02:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Put the phone down Ezhik. Not too sure Alex, I guess we would need to get approval from the stub-sorting project first I guess? Perhaps Ezhik could put together exactly what he wants, and then put it to them. If it is possible to do it with AWB, I guess I could do some of these as well, but would only need to know what settings, etc to do on it, perhaps split them up amongst various editors to do? --Russavia Dialogue 02:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, after thinking it over (something I should have done right away, I guess, but hey, no noggins, no insight!), I am not sure the bot is necessary if all we do is an upmerge. If we simply move all xx-geo-stubs to their xx-stubs counterparts, then no re-tagging would be necessary, and I doubt the stub-sorting cabal would have anything against this simple re-organization. All we need to do is 80+ moves, and that's that. Any further thoughts?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:45, February 18, 2009 (UTC)

Превед

Answering your question. I know of the following sources: www.lib.ru and www.lib.aldebaran.ru. If these are not exactly what you are looking for, please let me know. Btw, it should be File:XV Парижская авиаЦионная выставка.djvu (not авиаУионная) :). Thanx for uploading such interesting books and happy editing, my friend! KNewman (talk) 06:17, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey Kirill, thanks for the links, I'll check them out, and no prob with the books, I'll be uploading more and more as I come across them. I need to create a category in commons now to keep them all in one central location also. Cheers --Russavia Dialogue 18:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for APEC Russia 2012

Updated DYK query On February 23, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article APEC Russia 2012, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 01:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Grrr

Here's our reason to tag cats/templates/whatnot with the WikiProject banner :(—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:14, February 25, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, so what to do about that? Do we start tagging cats, temps, etc? Of course by placing them in their own WP:RUSSIA cat? Is the banner already set up for this? What to do? Russavia Dialogue 16:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I thought you were out enjoying sunshine till April?
If we decide to go ahead and tag all those pages, we can start doing so whenever we please. The banner supports all assessment cats by default, although we will need to restore some of the assessment cats first, such as Category:Disambig-Class Russia articles, etc. I'll do that, and then we can tag all that auxiliary cruft as we encounter it (unless someone wants to make a project out of this). Someone also needs to go through the banners and replace all {{WPRUSSIA}}s with {{WikiProject Russia}}s. Do you think Alex would mind? :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:13, March 2, 2009 (UTC)
Hey, no, it was March, don't know why I wrote April. Anyway, I'm back. If you can do the assessment cats and that, it would be good. But why would we need to change WPRUSSIA for Wikiproject Russia, when they are redirects? Or am I missing something here? --Russavia Dialogue 16:19, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
The problem is that the article alerts service can only watch one banner per project and does not support redirects. So, we can watch either articles marked with {{WPRUSSIA}} or articles marked with {{WikiProject Russia}}, but not both. Since there are many more articles tagged with the latter, it makes sense to swap the former for it. In all other respects, of course, the choice of the banner makes no difference; it's only the article alerts that are affected.
Welcome back, by the way. Hope you had a fun and relaxing wikibreak.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:23, March 2, 2009 (UTC)
OK, I will try to make changes as I come across them, and will start adding the banner to categories, templates, and even images, when I come across them. And thanks, the wikibreak although relaxing was hardly 'fun', unless you call building a 15,000 contact database 'fun' :) --Russavia Dialogue 12:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, I am building a database of 190,000 Russian inhabited localities, and am having fun alright :) Of course, I am not set against a deadline of any sort—that would've taken some fun out of it for sure...—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:37, March 3, 2009 (UTC)

Maps

Thanks for the link. Whoever did this s/he's done a great job of collecting all those maps. I'll look more closely at them after I'll have returned from my vacation. Alæxis¿question? 06:39, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

New SO and Abkhaz articles I've started

I've recently started Foreign relations of South Ossetia and Foreign relations of Abkhazia articles. They are in need of improvement (new information) and watchful eyes (to deter vandalism and POV pushers). --Tocino 20:55, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I've placed them on my watchlists, and will keep an eye on them. I'll try to add details in the future also, just working on other things at the moment. But if you need anything, let me know. Cheers --Russavia Dialogue 21:25, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Russian embassy in Belgrade

Hi. I think we (fellow Wikipedians in Belgrade) will meet tomorrow. My camera is not working these days but I will see if I can do something about making few shots or please somebody to do so. First three buildings are ok, they are in the down town. Fourth one is a little bit away, so we will see ... --JustUser (talk) 16:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

2008 South Ossetia war title vote

There is a vote up again at Talk:2008 South Ossetia war#Article name vote. Närking (talk) 22:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I moved your request

I moved your request to another place.

From:

To:

--Freetrashbox (talk) 00:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


2008 South Ossetia War

There's a vote going on on the title. Some editors want that changed to Russia-Georgia War. Please contribute. HistoricWarrior007 (talk) 05:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Could you help with this?

I've posted the requests, and asked for updates when photos are taken on my talk. When this will happen is anybody's guess. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 05:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Photos

Hi! Currently, I am not in Belgrade (and I think that meeting is today), so I can't tell about photos to others. I will send an email to others, and I am sure that we will find a way to help you. I will send you a message here if there are any problems. --Geologicharka (talk) 10:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring

I have noticed your edit history as regards to articles related to Russian government policy, and ask you to think twice before littering my talkpage with rude accusations and warnings. Anyway, you are saying that Google owned YouTube has committed a violation the Georgian pop group's right to its own work; but how can you be so sure? The YouTube uploader seems to specialise on this type of video, and Youtube has been used by many copyright owners to promote their material. So, what specific indications support your allegation of copyright infringment is this case? --Hapsala (talk) 14:54, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

The issues were raised on the article talk page, and you refused to take notice of what was written. As to rude accusations, your total lack of assumption of good faith is astounding. Don't do such things in future, and especially not with reasons with are utter bullshit. Thanks! --Russavia Dialogue 00:44, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Very well, my friend. Either you're plain stupid, or dishonest; for I don't believe one second that your edit warring had anyting to do with copyright. --Hapsala (talk) 14:51, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

A comment

I think it would be fair to tell you something just looking at your recent series of edits [3]. I do not own any articles, so you are very welcome to edit anything. However, I do have a problem negotiating issues with you. Hence I am going to create or edit other/new articles, and I would highly appreciate if you stop following my edits. Thank you.Biophys (talk) 13:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't stalk your edits, never have. So you have nothing to worry about there. --Russavia Dialogue 15:44, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! But will you stop mobilizing other users to stalk my edits? Of course I could provide more diffs, but this is not a proper place.Biophys (talk) 02:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Blacklisting of Abkhazia and South Ossetia

I thought you might be interested to see this. User:Pietru is removing Abkhazia and South Ossetia from a list of nations and regions on the Europe article. Kosovo is listed with disclaimer, but Abkhazia and South Ossetia are unable to be listed with same conditions. Also, even places like Svalbard and Isle of Man are listed, yet there is no room for Abkhazia and South Ossetia according to User:Pietru because "only Russia recognizes these 'countries'". Something needs to be done about this. --Tocino 06:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

You may want too look at my recent contribs, serial stalker Digwuren and Martintg are removing A & SO from lists, whilst leaving Taiwan and Kosovo. It is POV-pushing on their part. Either they all stay, or they all go. There is no room for leeway here. It has to be all or nothing. --Russavia Dialogue 07:47, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
You're being uncivil. Please withdraw your meritless accusations. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 09:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I will also post a message at the Abkhazia and Ossetia wikiprojects as well. It's absolutely unacceptable for serial stalkers such as Digwuren and Martintg to remove this information, but leave Kosovo and Taiwan. Also, you will find that on one of them, Martintg has removed Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but has put Aland back in. It seems that people need to learn some things such as the Montevideo Convention. --Russavia Dialogue 08:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
If I may make an observation, in the diplomatic missions by country articles we include countries which are recognised by at least one other country that has widespread recognition. Therefore we do include articles for Taiwan, Kosovo, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. On the basis of this A and SO should appear on the list (as should the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus). You may wish to highlight this to Digwuren and Martintg. Kransky (talk) 08:08, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Of course you may make an observation. The key to whenever Abkhazia, Kosovo, South Ossetia, Taiwan are listed as independent states, is that a notation should be included which states their independent status is disputed. This is not the EU/NATOpedia, it is the Wikipedia, and all POVs have to be present; the EU/NATO speak for themselves, they do not dicate policy nor POV on Wikipedia. --Russavia Dialogue 09:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and a word of warning Digwuren. If you don't stop stalking my edits, then I will filing an arbitration case against you and others. --Russavia Dialogue 10:10, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I think you're quite mistaken on who's in the wrong here. Let me be clear:
If you do not stop your personal attacks direct at me, I will be filing for arbitrative remedy. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 11:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Do it. And then you can explain why you turn up on every article I edit on Wikipedia. And you can also explain the unexplained, tendetious revisions of my edits, such as here. And I promise I won't mention IP addresses from the University of Tartu also reverting my edits in remote areas of Wikipedia; funny that, isn't it? But I will mention your vehement POV-pushing, with your insistence of removing Abkhazia and South Ossetia whilst leaving Kosovo, and I will also mention Martintg's stalking and reverting of edits by myself; in one instance, one revert removed Abkhazia and South Ossetia but re-inserted Aland; since when is Aland recognised as a country. You would be better served coming to a logical inclusion, rather than stalking my edits and tendetiously reverting edits without discussion. And of course, it will be clearly noted on any remedy that it is yourself who was banned for a year for such shit. --Russavia Dialogue 11:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
And it will also be mentioned that you violated WP:LINKVIO on We Don't Wanna Put In in the most tendentious manner possible, and failed to WP:AGF with it, and even refused to heed the warning on the talk page. I see now why there was an arbcom which dealt with you Digwuren; you treat WP as a battleground, and are a POV-pusher of the worst kind. Now, either discuss the issues, rather than stalking, blindly reverting, not assuming good faith, and generally just being a WP:DICK. I'm here to have a little fun, not to get involved in the bullshit that your ilk is intent on pursuing. --Russavia Dialogue 11:42, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Given the volume and breath of articles you edit, and that a very small subset of these articles intersect with the range of articles we edit, your accusations of stalking have absolutely no foundation in reality. These personal attacks, incivility and assumptions of bad faith must stop. Martintg (talk) 12:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm calling utter bullshit on your claim Martintg. With you, there's the attempted speedy deletion of articles in progress in my userspace. And I don't see you or Digwuren having previously edited on ANY of the articles which you have stalked me on in the last 24 hours - those being the "list" articles, including List of official languages by state, List of countries and capitals in native languages, List of official languages. Only an absolute idiot would believe your claim. If you don't stop stalking edits and harrassment I will take it to Arbcom. This is your final warning - civility be damned, when I can't edit without editors stalking my edits, and undermining the editting process - every f'ing article I edit I have to contend with this bullshit. Enough is f'ing enough!!!!!!!!!!! --Russavia Dialogue 12:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Additionally, I am requesting that both Martintg and Digwuren stay the hell away from my talk page. --Russavia Dialogue 12:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

(od) BTW, Neither is Transnistria on the mentioned list, none of the frozen zone separatist regimes qualify as countries. It's quite simple. Wikipedia follows the lead of general international reognition,it does not create it. PetersV       TALK 13:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Simple question for you Vecrumba, given your opinion, which of the following should or should not belong on such lists? Abkhazia, Kosovo, South Ossetia, Taiwan? --Russavia Dialogue 14:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know how this argument started, I just notice that both of you are wasting each other's time with threats and uncivility rather than tackling the issue at hand - which is pretty easy to resolve. Irrespective of what legal or moral arguments that can be made to weigh up Russia's actions, the fact remains that SO&A are recognised by at least one state which is recognised by a substantial number of other states. Therefore their inclusion in Wikipedia is warranted. Transnistria should not be included because it does not pass this test. Hope this helps Kransky (talk) 14:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Seeing shenanigans such as North Cyprus, "at least one" is a poor criterion. Madness and WP:FRINGE lie that way.
A better criterion would be "substantial number of countries", preferrably of different power clusters. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 14:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Not commenting on the other as I am filing for Arbitration now, but in regards to the issue, you are correct in that no matter what the legal or moral arguments are for those countries which recognise Abkhazia, Kosovo, South Ossetia and Taiwan, they are recognised by other countries with broad international recognition. As I have noted, the solution is to find the NPOV, and that does not mean removing A & SO, but leaving Taiwan and Kosovo, but including ALL FOUR, but with a notation stating that their independence is disputed. The part is that if editors insist on including A & SO under Georgia, then we need to do the same with Kosovo (under Serbia) and Taiwan (under the PRC), due to the vast majority of countries recognising those states as part of another state; if Kosovo and Taiwan are separated, then so too should Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Only then will it even begin to look like NPOV. What's good for the goose, and all that. Now, editors need to remember, that if they believe that A & SO should be listed under Georgia, then they need to also go and convince Serbian/Kosovo and Chinese/Taiwanese editors of the way they want to pursue this. But up until now, they have been listed independently, so this is the most obvious choice to follow in the interests of NPOV. --Russavia Dialogue 14:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
It is not enough to be recognized by only one or two countries. Taiwan was recognized by many countries, and in fact it was initially sitting in the UN as the only representative of China. That is why it has been included. There is indeed a long-standing conflict between Russavia and other users. Anyone is welcome to submit an RfC if needed.Biophys (talk) 14:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Please show us where it says that ANYWHERE. The fact of the matter, it doesn't. You guys are editing for your own POV, such as your reversion on Europe and other articles which you just did, but left Kosovo. I suggest you too read Montevideo Convention and other things dealing with international law. --Russavia Dialogue 14:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Additionally, Digwuren, I asked you to stay away from my talk page. Do you not read English? --Russavia Dialogue 14:59, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Russavia, I do not think this will work unless you make an RfC first. Good luck, Biophys (talk) 15:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
This is fucking classic. Read the page. Hello to my serial stalkers and one of them finds it a matter of seconds after I post it. I think you have just proven my point Biophys. Thanks for that. --Russavia Dialogue 15:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
It is pretty obvious that many users are watching your edits. Why? Because a lot of your edits are made against WP basic policies, like WP:NPOV. Such edits must be fixed. Please realize, no one follows your edits to harass you (that is what "wikistalking" means). However calling other users "serial stalkers" is against WP:CIV policy. I hope that helps.Biophys (talk) 15:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
And now we have an admission. And what NPOV exactly is that? Like reverting my claims of Putin being a paedophile? Enough said Biophys!! I guarantee your arse that if we were to put my edits up against your edits, we would soon see who the hell was engaging in POV pushing and advocacy here. Needless to say, it will be covered in the RFA, of which you too are being names as an involved party (just a heads up for yourself - although you already knew that). --Russavia Dialogue 15:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
You have been threatening to take everyone to ArbCom since January, but you never follow through. Is this is an attack page intended to intimidate your perceived opponents? I don't see any attempt at dispute resolution, only threats, incivility and personal attacks. Martintg (talk) 19:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I asked you to stay away from my talk page. GO AWAY! And the reason I haven't yet taken it to Arbcom, is that I get sidetracked....sidetracked with creating content and other things which are useful for the project...and also hope that the bullshit will stop....but as the Three Nutkateers have shown, you will continue to stalk and hound, and now POV-push rabidly. You've had your last f'ing warning, then it will go to Arbcom, and again, stay OFF my talk page. --Russavia Dialogue 19:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Good removal

Hi,

[4] is a good removal. Timely-thoughts is not merely some "Joe Blow's personal site", it's a site run by the banned Wikipedian User:Roobit. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 05:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

1993 Russian constitutional crisis

Hi, I've added a new report and I think that - regardless of that outcome - protecting the page is not necessary. Even if he re-adds some of his own interpretations, I'd prefer the article to be unprotected, as I keep adding minor references whenever I find a thing at google books or just on Internet. (Personally, I'd prefer if the single purpose account gets sent to permanent wikibreak) --Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 12:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, it is really cute that Miacek brings a friend to continue his personal attacks and POV push of the article. I am really sorry if I am wrong but I have not seen you contributing to the article before. If you did, you would have seen that I tried to reword the second paragraph 3 times only to be reverted back by Miacek. I agree to get the article protected. DR2006kl (talk) 12:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Miacek has come to me I think only as I am an editor who edits on Russian topics. Nothing more, nothing less. In future I wouldn't mind helping out on the article, but at the moment I have other articles which I am working on, and hence that article is not a priority for myself. However, DR2006kl, what you are doing on the article is an example of WP:TEDIOUS editing (look at Wikipedia:TEDIOUS#Characteristics_of_problem_editors; point number 2). If you have information which you think should be in the article, it needs to be supported by a reliable source, otherwise it can be removed without question, but reverting continually isn't going to look any good in terms of edit warring. I might suggest that you both ask at WT:RUSSIA for assistance in determining what is what, and go from there. --Russavia Dialogue 12:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I first reverted only after 3R my Miacek. Your comment about sources is off mark as the conflict is about introduction. Introduction usually does not need references but a clear and short description of the event. I have already taken most of the inflammatory language out of the introduction (such as brown-reds, etc.) but Miacek insists on laying a blame on the parliament in the second paragraph of the introduction. It is pity that you are coming in and taking sides without looking at what is going on.DR2006kl (talk) 13:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
More to the point of tedious editing, I disagree with the ban but I did not know how to dispute it. I have had 2R and 2 honest edits trying to reword the paragraph when I was reported by Miacek. DR2006kl (talk) 13:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

From Budapest

2009-03-11 uploaded to Commons: Orosz-Kult-haz.JPG (Russian cultural centre building in Budapest at 1062 Budapest, Andrássy út 120.) - Привет! - Vadaro —Preceding undated comment added 17:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC).

I took some picture today for you:

Some note:

I tried to take some pictures of the Russian School, but it has 3-metres high wall around and the representative of the school refuse to allow taking pictures from its garden. He told me, I can ask a permission from the consulate for that. Samat (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

FYI

Please check out Portal Diskussion:Berlin/Bilderwünsche --Flominator (talk) 19:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Bad edit

Hi,

[5] is a bad edit. The reference says "А вот для заметной части эстонцев (в том числе и для некоторых эстонских русских - для тех из них, чьи предки жили в Эстонии до 1939, как, например, староверы Причудья) Вторая мировая война имеет один-единственный смысл: это война, в ходе которой их страна потеряла свою независимость, стала жертвой варварского иноземного нашествия.". If you read Russian, you could see that it explicitly refutes ethnic lines in this matter.

On another note, I've noticed you like to make threats about including in articles things you appear to believe your content opponents do not like. Turnabout is fair play, so I have to ask: would you like the mention of barbarians in the quote above to be included in this article, and other articles discussing the related concept? I can think of quite a number of articles to which this is relevant. How about ... let's see ... World War II, for starters? ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 06:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the reference[6] states:

Maria Mälksoo, a researcher at the International Center for Defense Studies in Tallinn, views the controversy surrounding the Bronze Soldier statue, a Soviet World War II memorial in Tallinn's city center, as a moment when "[Estonia] and Russia seek more recognition from Europe of the Europeanness of their [respective] efforts in WWII, while, at the same time, denying the Europeanness of the other." Estonians see the monument as a symbol of Soviet occupation and repression and its removal as a gesture of liberation and espousal of European values, while ethnic Russians see it as a marker of Soviet victory over Nazi Germany, their claim to reside in Estonia, and their contribution to the outcome of European history.

It is important that we distinguish this, particularly as ethnic Russians make up almost a third of the Estonian population. Many polls have been done, some are even mentioned in these articles, and the support/opposition towards the monument is clearly split down ethnic lines. We also should not forget that the site of the monument in central Tallinn was the site of quite a few incidents between Estonian and Russian nationalists. These are the types of things that need to be given context in these articles, as it will help our readers gain a better understanding of these topics, particularly when there are differences down ethnic lines. We are doing ourselves a disservice if we don't.

In relation to your other note, all I can say is that if articles were written from the start by including both POVs from the beginning, this wouldn't be necessary. --Russavia Dialogue 13:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

In most cases, the official position of the Russian Federation as well the collective memory of Russian society emerged from the Soviet era is mentioned. However, you must also realize that in issues such as "occupation" of the Baltics, the official Russian position is not supported in basis of fact, so that we have (1) what Russia labels the "nationalist, revisionist" position which is, in fact, fully supportable with basis in fact, and we have (2) the Russian (nee Soviet) version, which manipulates, ignores, or simply declares facts which are not substantiated, for example, the Duma passing a resolution to "remind" Latvia that it joined the USSR legally according to international law. I welcome representing all versions of the past, however, what is factually supported and not also must be represented appropriately. There are the facts of situations and then there is the, at times, conflicting, Russian POV/"version." Some day Russia will, I trust, deal more constructively with its Soviet past, but that time has unfortunately not yet arrived. PetersV       TALK 14:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Please discuss your grievances on talk page and don't remove referenced text.--KoberTalk 17:46, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

And don't make out that it is Russians only. Hell, even the UNHCR recognises the policy. --Russavia Dialogue 17:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Will you ever learn to read the text and sources cited in it before making accusations? Have I ever said that it is "Russians only"? As a native English speaker, you should know that "especially Russians" and "only Russians" are two different things. Have a look at the source which is a well-established one. And discuss your changes on the article talk page. Otherwise I will deal with your edits as WP:Vandalism.--KoberTalk 18:05, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Ghia Nodia? Surely you jest. --Russavia Dialogue 18:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
And what about Dzugayev? You may want to check the reliability of the publication where Nodia's passage come from? And please continue this discussion on the article talk page. This is not the right place to do that.--KoberTalk 18:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Damn, it sometimes looks like a big fight - one bear against a pack of wolves. FeelSunny (talk) 21:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
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