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TC Championship

It really needs protection, but I don't have time to file the report right now. Could you do it if you read this before I get back? Cheers, -- The Hybrid 13:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks man. -- The Hybrid 00:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, we should really start warning that Angel 850 with stern warnings, I honestly don't think he's going to stop until he's blocked and well, you know the route we have to take before that can be done, I really don't feel like edit warring *sigh* Bmg916 16:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't mind and edit war, I've got both copies of the TCC and GSC saved so I'll just paste them in if anyone makes any vandal edits. Darrenhusted 16:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem with the Benoit page, I just reload this guys contribs page every so often, it's a pain...stupid US Title. Bmg916 16:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Unlike most page protections, this one (the TCC article) has an expiration date. It expires tomorrow. -- The Hybrid 22:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

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TC/GS colors

Yeah, sure. Didn't think of colorblind people. I posted on the discussion page for the TC article. Anakinjmt 02:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Triple Crown Championship

What would benefit from full protection? You may not understand what full protection means, it is when no one can edit it. Cbrown1023 talk 21:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, but long-term full-protetion is not allowed currently for existing articles. :( Cbrown1023 talk 02:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: The Scientologist pages

Just yesterday I tried to place a neutrality tag in the main Scientology page and it got deleted very quickly. Doing any changes is very challenging. I have had stuff reverted even with proper citations. The reality is that the editors there for the exception of few consider that any Scientology source is false and any anti-Scientology source is true. For example: you motioned the Times magazine anti-Scientology edition. Do you know that all the articles from that edition were written by the same freelance author and that that author had a history of being bias against Scientology and even made treats against Scientologist? You will not find that kind of info there. Just Another was the first to walk into that snake lair and try to change things. He had bolls, very big bolls. Scientologists usually walk in there and don't know where to start. So they bla, bla, complain. Sorry for the resentment but this is how they feel. You just happened to walk in the middle of an argument. I feel guilty because I on purpose said things to infuriate the right. You and Just Another just got drag down into the argument. I really apologize but the right was as guilty as the left for that argument. You need 2 to have a fight. Yes it was a waste of time. I just finished editing the Lisa McPherson page, when I jumped in there it was a mirror image of the Lisa McPherson anti-scientology web site. I changed that with well cited information. I have also worked on the Bob Minton page. Both of these pages have neutrality tags now because the editors didn’t like my edits. But my edits were truthful so they are still there. You should see those pages to see how different they feel. Sorry for the big argument. I was just having fun. Bravehartbear 02:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 10, February 2007

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 010 – February 2007
Beatles News George Harrison's handwritten lyrics to the song While My Guitar Gently Weeps have fetched $300,000 (£152,552) in a Scottsdale (Arizona, United States) memorabilia auction (15 January). It contained lines omitted from the final version of the song. Specifically : I look from the wings at the play you are staging While my guitar gently weeps As I'm sitting here doing nothing but aging Still my guitar gently weeps On the reverse of the page appears the lyrics to Hey Jude in the hand of Mal Evans. Project News The Project lead article (The Beatles, for those not paying attention) has had its Good Article status reviewed, and the consensus was 'keep'. The efforts of User:Andreasegde in supplying the requested citations, and other editors in helping with general editing, and the strength of arguments for retaining the grade sufficiently impressed the reviewers. After a great deal of work Paul McCartney was promoted as a Featured Article candidate. Unfortunately it failed to succeed. Among other comments, including the correct length of dash (or hyphen), from reviewers was that the article was too long and also that it needed further information included in some of the sections(!?) The promotor, and driving force behind the insertion of a great many references, citations and facts (and the remover of unwanted text, and splitter of information into daughter articles), Andreasegde vigorously argued the case for promotion but was unsuccessful. Mimi Smith was successfully nominated for WP:Good article status. The major editor to whom accolades should be directed is... Andreasegde. Two new articles have been listed in the Project Log since 1 January: The Beatles' Influence on Recording Music by Apepper and Wings 1973 UK Tour by Danthemankhan. Eruption257 has adopted the A Spaniard in the Works article. The hottest Project page this month was possibly, despite the Article Status related issues regarding both The Beatles and Paul McCartney mentioned above, the third attempt to delete The Beatles trivia in less than a year. As was the case for the second attempt at AfD the result, after an energetic discourse, was keep but with a suggestion that the article be retitled to reduce the incidence of deletion requests. Editors are invited to discuss possible new titles, and/or the need for same, at Talk:The Beatles trivia. Other Project news - Lar did a bit of a purge of the subscription list during last month's newsletter delivery. Some folks were kept (and are at the active list), some who clearly are not active on wikipedia at all were removed with a "you've been removed" message left (and are at the inactive list), and some folks who were less active but not as clearly completely inactive were given a "this may be your last newsletter" message (and are at the possibly inactive list). A more nuanced subscription list is now here (in several subpages as outlined above), and anyone who wants to tweak their status (moving one's self back is a clear cut sign that we should deliver the newsletter to you!) should feel free. Please respect the rather spartan formatting though, this list is used by WP:AWB currently, and may be used by other automation in future.	Issue of the Month Hottest issue or concern for this month is the perennial matter of Project articles losing their Good or Featured Article status. The main Project page now includes a status board that gives the current ratings of some of the more important articles. Let's make sure the core articles (The Beatles, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, and Ringo Starr) reach or retain Good Article status, if not Featured Article. If you are aware of another major article whose status is at risk, add it to the board. Issue of last Month Since there has been no response in the matter of the use of lowercase for the initial letter of the when applied with Beatles from the opponents, it is likely that the case for using lowercase only will be adopted as Project policy by default. User:LessHeard vanU will draw up a recommendation and submit it to the Policy talkpage in a few days. From the Editors We are pleased to welcome the contributions of Alexcalamaro to this newsletter. Any editor can include an item of interest or news; this medium can be an excellent tool for getting a comment seen by a great number of project members. As it says below, this is your newsletter. If you've just joined, add your name to the Participants section of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy! Member News New members to the project since the last issue include Sturgeonman, McTavidge, Discordant, SUIT, apepper, Darrenhusted, Cbing01 and Eruption257. The Silly Name (Beatles) Cabal have been awarding each other sundry awards, with one rather obvious exception, recently. This practice is contrary to WP:YouDoNotNeedToBeMadToEditHere(ButItHelps) and reflects badly on the serious work being done on The Greatest Band In The World and should cease immediately. Any further transgressions will likely incur the wrath of The Really Scary One. Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue (Issue 011 – March 2007). Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing! Contributors to this Issue Alexcalamaro (Editor) LessHeard vanU (Editor) Albert Goldman (Editor) Lar (Editor, Distributor)
Complete To Do List Make visible or invisible by clicking Show or Hide, respectively. Open tasks for WikiProject The Beatles. Edit or discuss these tasks. As the project is currently just starting, our more experienced editors are working on the project infrastructure, classifying articles, and listing/assessing red links. Your assistance is welcome. If you would prefer to just edit - and why wouldn't you? - we have a choice selection of red links to turn blue and articles to clean! Now let's get busy. To Expand: Apple Records See also: Adopt an article To Clean up: Apple Records discography (wikify). The Beatles' 1965 USA Tour. To Merge: To Create: Phil McDonald (engineer). Lennon/McCartney songs: I'll Keep You Satisfied (produced by George Martin), From A Window. George Martin produced Billy J. Kramer song: Magic Carpet (song). Songs covered by The Beatles: Hippy Hippy Shake. The Big Three. Bag o'Nails, where Paul met Linda. Macca single: My Brave Face. Articles on each Beatle tour (Category:The Beatles tours). Full list & instructions. Lists to complete: Wanted Pics/Graphics: Mal Evans, Flying (song), Astrid Kirchherr, Jimmy Nicol, Cynthia Powell, Alistair Taylor, Ivan Vaughan, Tittenhurst Park. We need a better open-licenced photo for the project, to replace the Abbey Road crossing. If you provide a photo, please remove the ReqPhoto tag from the article's talk page and remove the article from this list. Project Discussions: The Beatles history, Individual songs vs longer album articles, Beatle wives, Merge/split proposals Project: Add {{WPBeatles}} to the talk pages of all Beatles-related articles. Send a newsletter to members, canvas for new members, and coordinate tasks. Enter articles classed as stubs into this list (under To Expand) and also list articles needing cleaning and other work here. If you complete one of these tasks, please remove it from the list and add your achievement to the project log.

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RE:Cena as a TCC

I think that listing Cena as a potential TCC is redundant. If he is listed in the US Title section that means that he has held a World and Tag Team Title. Like I said on the talk page, I won't cry if he is listed, but I do think that it is redundant. In my opinion, and many others', Cena is a TCC. However, since there is no source we can't say it. So, by Wikipedia standards, Cena is a potential TCC. Like I said, IMO listing him in the PTCC section is redundant, but I won't cry. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 20:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

WWE PPV's

The dates were NOT from a press release. They briefly appeared on the WWE Affiliates page (for like an hour), and were quickly removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TJ Spyke (talk • contribs) 23:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

well thanks dude

i really appreciate your apology and sorry for my assholeish crime of not signing my pages. qrc2006/email 19:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC) qrc2006/email 19:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC) qrc2006/email 19:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC) qrc2006/email 19:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC) heres x4, happy? (in jest) i havnt been signing cuz i dont think its been working right, i can never get it to say "talk" and "contrib" like other people. and yes that is so how wikipedia works, you may be a policy purist, but if i see somthing on TV or someone who i think know her shit tells me somthing ill put it up and that is how wikipedia works, obviously youre removal and correction of my contribution to that article just validate the coordinational process of eliminating word-vomit. i still really think he was, im looking for some evidence. and i went on the talk page. and too bad if you had to rm it twice, i didnt break the 3 revert rule it was all in good faith, i truly thought it was lacking and chances were if it wasnt true someone would cut it out on such a popular article. hmm maybe we can suggest any edit on a talk page causes an automatic signature as policy. thanks for the idea. have a great day. hmm hey can i add in that i think hes cute?

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RE: JBL, Grand Slam Championship

That's fine, my mistake. I have half a mind to take those two articles off my watchlist anyway. Take care, Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 21:31, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 11, March 2007

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 011 – March 2007
Beatles News On February 5, 2007, the Beatles' Apple Corps and Apple, Inc. (Apple Computer) announced a settlement of their latest trademark dispute involving use of the Apple trademark on the iTunes Music Store. In May of 2006, the High Court ruled in favor of Apple, but Neil Aspinall, manager of Apple Corps, vowed to appeal. Evidently, in the intervening months, the two companies negotiated a settlement. The settlement is discussed in this AP story. For background on the case, see Apple Corps v. Apple Computer. For fans, this may mean that Beatle music will be available someday on iTunes. Despite rumors of a February 2007 release, the material is still unavailalble. The divorce case between Paul McCartney and his estranged wife Heather Mills McCartney has begun with a preliminary hearing in the London High Court on March 1, 2007. See the McCartneys Have Their First Court Date. Chronicle Books has reissued I, Me, Mine, the 1980 George Harrison autobiography. See details in the editors page Project News The articles Freddie Lennon, Julia Lennon, Mimi Smith, Neil Aspinall and Mal Evans have all been promoted to Good Article status. The identity of the individual largely responsible for this outcome remains a mystery, but anyone correctly identifying said person will be treated to dinner with Sir Sean de Garde (cost of meal, air tickets, hotel and trips to houses of ill-repute will be borne by the Mighty Crestville). There were no Project article adoptions for the month of February. One new article has been listed in the Project Log since 1 February; namely The New World Tour, relating to the 1993 World Tour by Paul McCartney, created by the Project's Macca/Wings tours resident expert Danthemankhan. The hottest Project pages this month have been.... Julia Lennon, Freddie Lennon, Neil Aspinall, and Mal Evans, which are now all GA, and Mimi Smith, which has been peer reviewed to see if it could be FA. Project Policy has now been altered to reflect that the use of lowercase for the letter "t" of the word "the" in the Beatles is now considered the correct rendition. Member News New members to the project since the last issue include (although the first is a long time contributor who apparently has only just found the Participants section); Tvoz Freshacconci Liamshaw John Cardinal Mezlo ErleGrey Captain Waters Hey jude, don't let me down Apepper has been awarded a Barnstar for his considerable contributions to The Beatles' influence on music recording. LessHeard vanU has also acquired two Barnstars, and a WikiFish(!), mostly due to undue influence.	Issue of the Month See below. There is genuine concern that the Newsletter is getting stale in terms of content and variety, and that the same individuals are featured each month. Furthermore, lack of "news" is hindering the timely distribution as the editors wait for something to report. All Project editors are encouraged to give their news, suggestions and thoughts to keep the 'Letter vital and interesting. If making direct contributions do not appeal, please give a mention on the Newsletter talkpage and it will be incorporated! From the Editors Help is needed for the job of putting future Newsletters together. The present incumbent is finding it difficult to reflect the breadth of the Project, focusing on much the same individuals and articles each month, and has decided to beg for contributions from other individuals. Interested persons need only start working on next months issue to qualify. It really is that simple! If you've just joined, add your name to the Participants section of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy! Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue (Issue 012 – April 2007). Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing! Contributors to this Issue lEaD ediTor (Lead Editor) John Cardinal (Editor) LessHeard vanU (Editor) Lar (Editor, Distributor) Alexcalamaro (Editor)
Complete To Do List Make visible or invisible by clicking Show or Hide, respectively. Open tasks for WikiProject The Beatles. Edit or discuss these tasks. As the project is currently just starting, our more experienced editors are working on the project infrastructure, classifying articles, and listing/assessing red links. Your assistance is welcome. If you would prefer to just edit - and why wouldn't you? - we have a choice selection of red links to turn blue and articles to clean! Now let's get busy. To Expand: Apple Records See also: Adopt an article To Clean up: Apple Records discography (wikify). The Beatles' 1965 USA Tour. To Merge: To Create: Phil McDonald (engineer). Lennon/McCartney songs: I'll Keep You Satisfied (produced by George Martin), From A Window. George Martin produced Billy J. Kramer song: Magic Carpet (song). Songs covered by The Beatles: Hippy Hippy Shake. The Big Three. Bag o'Nails, where Paul met Linda. Macca single: My Brave Face. Articles on each Beatle tour (Category:The Beatles tours). Full list & instructions. Lists to complete: Wanted Pics/Graphics: Mal Evans, Flying (song), Astrid Kirchherr, Jimmy Nicol, Cynthia Powell, Alistair Taylor, Ivan Vaughan, Tittenhurst Park, Tony Barrow. We need a better open-licenced photo for the project, to replace the Abbey Road crossing. If you provide a photo, please remove the ReqPhoto tag from the article's talk page and remove the article from this list. Project Discussions: The Beatles history, Individual songs vs longer album articles, Beatle wives, Merge/split proposals Project: Add {{WPBeatles}} to the talk pages of all Beatles-related articles. Send a newsletter to members, canvas for new members, and coordinate tasks. Enter articles classed as stubs into this list (under To Expand) and also list articles needing cleaning and other work here. If you complete one of these tasks, please remove it from the list and add your achievement to the project log.

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For You

Your Barnstar Was EATEN BY A BEAR!

This is for making me laugh with the Ric Flair (saggy man boobs) example of Undertaker's opponents "wrestlemania curse" response over on the John Cena talk page. Haha, keep up the good work! Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 18:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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Listin, I know almost everything about this debate wit RVD and being a ECW TCC and I also know almost everything about wrestling in the U.S. and the WWE and many other wrestling promotions. I know what I was doing and I know wat you are doing to me. I know about the thing where eveyone makes their own opinion and how they debate this thing with RVD. I saw everything that you wrote about me and I know exactly what your telling everyone to do. Your trying to get eveyone to turn on me. And get them to fix the mistakes I make? Whats that? I know almost everything about the WWE, so don't tell me things I already know like that RVD isn't a ECW TCC. But you can't say to me that RVD isn't a ECW TCC because like you said to me it is debated if RVD is a ECW TCC or not. And another thing, stop telling everyone that they should watch out in case I go on an Editing Rush. Why do you have a problem with me editing things? Why? Is it because I edit alot? Why do you care how much I edit? Is it a problem that I wanted to fix the mistake I made even if they were minor? And stop telling eveyone that I am trying to set a record for editing. Because I'm really not! So leave me alone and stop making fun of me! So stop making it sound like and making everyone think I'm stupid! So stop telling everyone to watch out for me! It wasn't that big of a deal. You didn't have to get mad because I edited something. If you sent me a message telling me to delete what I wrote and to explane to me to instead post it on the thing where everyone states thier own opinion about it I would have. You didnt have to make fun of me and tell everyone I was doing something wrong when I really wasn't. You didn't have to send me messages that tell me how ridiculos I was for editing alot of things because It shouldn't even mater to you. You didn't have to send me messages telling me things like I didn't know anything about the subject when I really did. You didn't have to make it sound like I was just puting things there because I felt like it. So mabe we can come to a compromise and if you stop writing things about me like for people to watch out for me and make me sound like an idiot and making fou of me I will try not to edit things you don't want me to and explain why you don't want me to edit them.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Charlie1227"

At the moment I note you are banned, so if you do stop by to read this I shall let you know that if you want to know just one thing that bothers me it is this, you didn't start a new subject for your message. That would be one thing. You want to correct mistakes, than is fine, but use the preview button at least, 17 edits to one page is ridiculous, particularly as you didn't mark them as minor. If they are a minor edit then mark them as such. You clearly don't know how to use wikipedia or how to conduct yourself, on the Triple Crown Champion page there is a talk page, and on that page is over 5000 words about this issue, before you edited you could have posted there. Now below is a copy of your post above, so once you can post again, start a new topic on this page and post it properly.

"Listen, I know almost everything about this debate with RVD and being a ECW TCC and I also know almost everything about wrestling in the U.S. and the WWE and many other wrestling promotions. I know what I was doing and I know what you are doing to me. I know about the thing where eveyone makes their own opinion and how they debate this thing with RVD. I saw everything that you wrote about me and I know exactly what your telling everyone to do. Your trying to get everyone to turn on me. And get them to fix the mistakes I make? What's that? I know almost everything about the WWE, so don't tell me things I already know like that RVD isn't a ECW TCC. But you can't say to me that RVD isn't a ECW TCC because like you said to me it is debated if RVD is a ECW TCC or not. And another thing, stop telling everyone that they should watch out in case I go on an Editing Rush. Why do you have a problem with me editing things? Why? Is it because I edit a lot? Why do you care how much I edit? Is it a problem that I wanted to fix the mistake I made even if they were minor? And stop telling everyone that I am trying to set a record for editing. Because I'm really not! So leave me alone and stop making fun of me! So stop making it sound like ? and making everyone think I'm stupid! So stop telling everyone to watch out for me! It wasn't that big of a deal. You didn't have to get mad because I edited something. If you sent me a message telling me to delete what I wrote and to explain to me to instead post it on the thing where everyone states their own opinion about it thenI would have. You didn't have to make fun of me and tell everyone I was doing something wrong when I really wasn't. You didn't have to send me messages that tell me how ridiculous I was for editing a lot of things because It shouldn't even matter to you. You didn't have to send me messages telling me things like I didn't know anything about the subject when I really did. You didn't have to make it sound like I was just putting things there because I felt like it. So maybe we can come to a compromise and if you stop writing things about me like for people to watch out for me and make me sound like an idiot and making fun of me I will try not to edit things you don't want me to and explain why you don't want me to edit them."

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John Cena Current WWE Champion

What is the point of citing the fact the John Cena is champion, when there is no citation that Undertaker, Lashley, etc are the reigning champions? JAB5 19:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Response

Unsourced information about living people violates WP:BLP. Content must be cited by sources which meet WP:A and what I reverted did not meet WP:A. You say that mass deletion is not helpful, but unsourced content which could be libeling a living person is just as unhelpful. Please read WP:BLP closely before making any reverts. Happy editing! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kevin Green342243 (talk • contribs) 23:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

Re: The Scientologist pages

Just yesterday I tried to place a neutrality tag in the main Scientology page and it got deleted very quickly. Doing any changes is very challenging. I have had stuff reverted even with proper citations. The reality is that the editors there for the exception of few consider that any Scientology source is false and any anti-Scientology source is true. For example: you motioned the Times magazine anti-Scientology edition. Do you know that all the articles from that edition were written by the same freelance author and that that author had a history of being bias against Scientology and even made treats against Scientologist? You will not find that kind of info there. Just Another was the first to walk into that snake lair and try to change things. He had bolls, very big bolls. Scientologists usually walk in there and don't know where to start. So they bla, bla, complain. Sorry for the resentment but this is how they feel. You just happened to walk in the middle of an argument. I feel guilty because I on purpose said things to infuriate the right. You and Just Another just got drag down into the argument. I really apologize but the right was as guilty as the left for that argument. You need 2 to have a fight. Yes it was a waste of time. I just finished editing the Lisa McPherson page, when I jumped in there it was a mirror image of the Lisa McPherson anti-scientology web site. I changed that with well cited information. I have also worked on the Bob Minton page. Both of these pages have neutrality tags now because the editors didn’t like my edits. But my edits were truthful so they are still there. You should see those pages to see how different they feel. Sorry for the big argument. I was just having fun. Bravehartbear 02:23, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

To answer you question I'm still a newbie and I still get confused on how to do thing. But I'm learning! Yes I'm fully aware that fully cited sources can't be deleted even though I may personally believe they are bias. What I do is just to post another citation of equal magnitude that counter the 1st one. That way we can have balanced NPOV page. Like I told you I was just giving the guys a hard time for fun, I apologize for this. :-) Bravehartbear 15:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Government as this week's WP:ACID winner

Diez2 00:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 012 – April 2007
Beatles News On Friday 30th March, a deranged fan was held after attempting to force his way into Paul McCartney's mansion. See here for more details. Apple Corps continues to make news, after the recent settlement with Apple Computer over the use of the Apple trademark. On April 10th, the company announced that long-time chief executive Neil Aspinall had stepped down and had been replaced by American Jeff Jones. It was also announced that another long term dispute, this time with EMI over royalties, had been amicably settled prior to Aspinall's departure.[1][2] Project News The article "Jeff Jones (music industry executive)" suddenly becomes of top importance in the Apple sphere of Beatledom. User:Kingboyk has created a stub on the man, but the article needs urgent beefing up (including basic biographical data such as date and place of birth) and, if possible, a photograph of the new Apple chief executive. Mimi Smith promises to have the last word over John yet again; her article is currently a Featured Article Candidate. Brian Epstein is a current GA candidate. See the Status board for more article news. 2 new articles have been listed in the Project Log since 1 March: Tony Barrow and Jeff Jones (music industry executive). With the debate over "the Beatles" vs "The Beatles" continuing to cause ill feeling and a number of resignations from the project from advocates on both sides, Kingboyk attempted to diffuse the situation by blanking the Project Policy page and tagging it as {{historical}}. Although this unilateral action hasn't been reverted as of the time of writing, the reaction was mixed, with two members rejoining the project and others stating their disagreement. With the issue still not resolved, the page was sent to Miscellany for Deletion, for the wider community (and WikiProject The Beatles members) to consider the issue. Member News The membership list has been trimmed, with inactive members listed seperately to help gauge the status of the project. If you've been incorrectly listed as inactive, please don't be offended - just move yourself back to the main list.	The Rutles: The legendary group who inspired lesser imitators like "The Beatles". WikiWorld, March 2007 From the Editors This has been a tumultuous month for the project yet again. We need your input on how the project should work and what it's role should be. And we need to start getting Featured Articles, folks! :) Next issue This is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue (Issue 013 – May 2007). Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing! Contributors to this Issue Kingboyk (Lead Editor) Andresguacamayo (Editor)
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This is what I'm talking about

“I posted some NPOV in the intro of Scientology, explaining exactly what is Scientology with proper citations and now they want to delete everything just because they think it doesn't go in the intro. The intro should explain what is Scientology not all that stuff about the controversy, that is still there. This is exactly what we were trying to explain. You told me:

"Then under his work it says "He wrote an article saying 'Scientology is Bad'". I could not in all conscience remove that statement from the article, because the bias is from the speaker not the editor. The gist of the talk page on WP:SCN was that any negative comments which had been quoted accurately but were negative should be "balanced" out. And that is not something I could let happen."

So why it is when it comes to positive info the info is then suppressed and the negative is given priority. Could you please look at the Scientology main talk page? Thanks Bravehartbear 20:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I do have them! I just have been busy and I haven't had time to add them. I never said that any of his citations were wrong. What I said is that they deleted my citations. My point is that they have the right to deleted my citations and I don't have the right to delete theirs. Is this fair? Bravehartbear 22:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

This was the last Intro: Scientology is an applied philosophy of religious nature that encompasses body of teachings developed by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard. Hubbard began Scientology in 1952 as a self-help philosophy, an outgrowth of his earlier self-help system, Dianetics, and later described it as a new religion. He said that it offered an exact methodology to help humans achieve awareness of their spiritual existence across many lifetimes and, simultaneously, to become more effective in the physical world. Hubbard stated that a goal of Scientology is to rehabilitate the thetan (roughly equivalent to the soul) to regain its native state of "total freedom". The body of teachings of Scientology not only includes the spiritual therapy technique called auditing; but it also includes study technology , administrative technology , a detox program , a drug rehabilitation program and a criminal rehabilitation program. The effectiveness of these techniques and programs have been highly debated and have been mostly condemned as nonsense and even dangerous but some of these programs have been endorsed by medical doctors and politicians. In the USA some of these programs have been used by the government in correctional facilities and drug rehabilitation programs.

Since it’s the inauguration of the Founding Church of Scientology in 1955; Scientology has grown into more than 4,378 Scientology churches, missions and groups worldwide. Scientologists claim that Hubbard's teachings have saved them from many problems and enabled them to better realize their potential in business and in their personal lives. However, some former members and outside observers—including journalists, lawmakers, and national governing bodies of several countries—have described the Church as an unscrupulous commercial enterprise that harasses critics and defectors and exploits its members. Although Scientologists are usually free to practice their beliefs, the organized church has often encountered opposition due to their strong-arm tactics against critics and members wishing to leave the organization. While a number of governments now view the Church as a religious organization entitled to the protections and tax relief that such status brings, others view it as a pseudoreligion, a cult, or a transnational corporation. More recently, in 2007 the European Court of Human Rights held that the Church of Scientology is entitled to recognition in Russia as a religious organization and that Russia's refusal of such registration "had been a violation of Article 11 (freedom of assembly and association) of the European Convention on Human Rights read in the light of Article 9 (freedom of thought, conscience and religion)". The judgment of this highest European court is valid for all 46 member states of the Council of Europe.

The name "Scientology" is also used to refer to the often controversial Church of Scientology, the largest organization promoting the practice of Scientology, which is itself part of a network of affiliated organizations that promote different aspects of the practice of Scientology. All these organization are overseen by another organization called Religious Technology Center (RTC). RTC is the holder of the trademarks and service marks of Scientology. And all Scientology organizations, even the churches have to license the right to use these trademarks and service marks from RTC.

As you see it was not POV. It had many negative citation about Scientology too. Some of my positive third party citations are:

• http://www.observer.com/2007/monserrate-defends-detox-program
• http://www.nypost.com/seven/04212007/news/regionalnews/local_pols_cruised_in_free_to_tom_gala_regionalnews_david_seifman__city_hall_bureau_chief.htm

I also have citations by the Center of Religious Studies, this one is 100% non NPOV.

• http://www.cesnur.org/cgi-bin/swish.cgi?query=scientology

And I have many more. Bravehartbear 23:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

"I have sought to show in this chapter that according to court-sanctioned guidelines and IRS criteria in the United States, Scientology is a religion, if not according to substantive definitions used by the American courts, at least by functional definitions. Scientology provides its adherents with purpose and the ultimate meaning of life, which is the essence of religion." by Profesor Derek H. Davis June 17-20, 2004 - Baylor University, Waco, Texas http://www.cesnur.org/2004/waco_davis.htm

"The bottom line is the program provided a better quality of life for hundreds of rescue workers that have taken the program," New York City Councilman Hiram Monserrate talking about the 9/11 Scientology detox program. Over 800 public worker have taken the program. http://www.observer.com/2007/monserrate-defends-detox-program

"The other problem that we see is 'Oh it's just scientologist stuff.' If you look my name up on the Internet, you would think I was a scientology buff. I am an elder in the Presbyterian Church. I am not a scientologist. We have never tried to proselytize for the Church of Scientology. It's just the fact that, by gosh, Hubbard put this thing together. He deserves recognition for that. ... We have no ties to the Church of Scientology. We don't send any money to them. We don't try to sign up people to be scientologists. We're very upfront about how L. Ron Hubbard developed this." David E. Root, M.Dhe runs a Scientology based detox program from his practice. http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/Content?oid=283982

“Scientology is irresistibly a religion.” Australian High Court, 1983

I DO have the links I just have to present my case. Bravehartbear 00:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't meant that Monserrate statements are Scientific I meant that his statement shows political support for Scientology. For example in this video United States Congressman Charles B. Rangel and Mr Maurice Strong the under secretary general of the United Nations are showing support for Scientology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPwRY5W6TGI

In this other video the Mayor of Buffalo is showing support for Scientology and declares that day the church of scientology day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSjygMwSAMI

You want more I can give you more.Bravehartbear 05:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Now if you want Scientific evidence suportive of the Scientology Purification Program, I have those too.

"Saunas can be used very effectively for certain cardiovascular problems and as a means to enhance the mobilization of fat-soluble xenobiotics. When saunas are used to reduce blood pressure and enhance blood flow and cardiac functioning, only short sauna sessions (15 minutes) are necessary. When one wants to enhance the mobilization of heavy metals and chemical xenobiotics, longer sessions are needed and those should be medically monitored. But, for either use, saunas are safe and effective and should be used more frequently to benefit the health of our patients and ourselves."

• http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=17405694&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

"Heat chamber depuration (sauna) detoxification treatment brought substantial release of symptoms and returned the individual to gainful employment."

• http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=9553837&itool=iconabstr&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum

Bravehartbear 10:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I did submited to you quotes from Medical Journals that support Scientology claims. If you chose to ignore those that's your problem. Bravehartbear 13:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

BHB, do not say "If you chose to ignore those that's your problem." to me. I am giving you clear guidelines, a study to show that saunas work against what Scientology claims they work against, but in tests with hundreds of individuals, with a test subject who takes placebos, in a double blind environment so no subject know who is getting what treatment. These are the basics that any medical company would undertake. Not some anecdotal evidence from a mayor or two or three firemen at a gala thrown by Tom. The problem is no tests that I ask for have ever been done, so you will never find links for them. Darrenhusted 13:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Backlund

Haha, yeah. And I am glad and most willing to help. It is stupid just to delete an entire page just because we don't have a link from some guy saying it happened. Kris 22:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to WP:SCN

There is also an associated userbox: {{User Scientology project}}, and you may not have noticed the section at WP:SCN/P, below where you signed, where you may wish to say something about yourself in the subsection below... Smee 23:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

What were you thinking?

What were you thinking? With this premature "archive" [3]. Please do not archive current and recent discussions. --Justanother 16:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: ECW TC

How does that even make sense? WWE purchased ECW and everything about ECW, including its championships. The ECW World Title was revived, not created. I don't see how you can dispute that, because I'm assuming that WWE is a credible source. And as far as they are concerned, its the same championship. Even this webiste, Wikipedia, shows that they are the same championship. That's because they are. TNA bought the rights to the NWA Championships. It's not the same thing, but in both cases, the parent company owns the actual championship. RVD is an ECW Triple Crown Champion. You wanted evidence, I gave you the evidence. And I thought Wikipedia operated based upon evidence, not what everyone thinks. I have given evidence sufficient enough, and I'm putting him back. L2K 15:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow. Actually, wow doesn't even begin to explain it. Let me try to explain this. The current ECW World Championship is the same title as the ECW World Heavyweight Championship. If you tell me it's not, you are disputing official WWE records, and you are also disputing what has been documented on Wikipedia itself. You can have Wikipedia contradicting itself. The current ECW Title is the same as the one from the original ECW. You really cannot dispute, I don't see why you bother. In that case, if someone in TNA can be a Triple Crown Champion while holding an NWA title while not in TNA, then RVD can be an ECW Triple Crown Champion without having won the ECW World Heavyweight Championship while in ECW. I really don't see how you can argue that. L2K 16:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Hardy Boyz

Just wondering why you removed my edits? Jay316 22:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Ahh I see, well I have no source, except I see the program myself, I have no idea how to get hold of the exact episode, but it was definatly featured on the program. Sorry for removing the warnings. Jay316 22:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Vermon CaTaffy 8

Thank you for the heads up. Someone should really block that guy. Vermon CaTaffy 8

I also have a question about the triple crown champion's article. Do you feel that the United States Championship qualifies for someone being a triple crown champion? Vermon CaTaffy 8

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I-C and U.S. Title

I don't really think that listing under what federation is relevant.

WWE doesn't make any distinctions about when a U.S. Title was won, they just say so and so was a U.S. Champion.

I just figured since Wiki notes those who have held both the WWE/World Heavyweight and World/WWE Tag Team Titles that I-C/U.S. Title holders be listed as well because they are at the same level.

Ohgltxg 22:07 June 1, 2007 (UTC)

Not notable?!

I fail to see how information on the councillors that represent wards, namely Wednesfield North, Wednesfield South and Spring Vale, is considered non-notable. If anything, that is one of the most important and essential pieces of information that should be available on the article. Therefore I will issue you with a vandalism notice.

Sign your posts.

Councillors and elected officials are not inherently notable, the ward articles are mainly about the geography not the politics, and Alan Hart isn't even a councillor. Other than that I have replied at your talk page with what I feel would need to be done to all 20 stubs to bring them up to standard. Darrenhusted 11:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the vandalism warning as I assume your edits were in good faith. I've replied on my talk page too. - Erebus555 12:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)