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Good job with the AfD stats

Just wanted to say good job working through all the AfD stats on the AELECT pages, I know it must be taking a long time to do - just wanted to say the diligence and insight is appreciated! BugGhost🦗👻 18:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I've been hoping that this encourages others to do something similar for other things, since "divide the discussion by topic and discuss the topics neutrally" keeps coming up in discussions of how to turn down the temperature at RFA. So far, no luck, haha. I'm a little worried that this will result in over-emphasis on AfD participation so I'd like to encourage anyone reading this to start something similar for a topic you're familiar with and see where it goes. -- asilvering (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I, too, would like to thank you for posting those statistics. I find them very useful. I don't think they place undue importance on AfDs. PRODs, CSD tags and AfD participation is the closest most editors get to admin work, and their approach is often a good predictor for how they'll handle things once given the mop.

And since I'm here, I'd also mention that I really enjoy reading your well-thought-out, clearly explained AfD closing rationales. Keep up the good work! Owen× ☎ 11:20, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! -- asilvering (talk) 16:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

You are really adding value to this new Admin selection process -- not just stats but also a lot of effort into understanding what the stats mean for each candidate.

Thank you! --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 02:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Glad it was helpful! -- asilvering (talk) 02:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hi asilvering, I am still finding it impossible to discuss edits with Shahray, already less than a day after their block expired. They made an edit to Kievan Rus' and subsequently restored it after I reverted them. They did not make another revert after this, but they replied in a completely different discussion on Talk:History of Ukraine saying I won't create hundreds of talk pages just because you always disagree with me for precisely no reason.[1] I told them they should start a discussion on the relevant talk page and that I would discuss with them there, but they stated: If you want to create new topic there, you can do it... And now, I ask for a clear explanation for why my changes are "synth" or "not an improvement", otherwise it's just another unreasonable edit.[2]. I reiterated what I said, saying that this would be a misuse of the talk page, and they responded: I shouldn't waste my time on interrogating you everywhere for "more details", you should give a clear reasoning for you edit from the beginning. If you prefer to give explanation in the talk page, then fine, do it there.[3]

I also noted that they had already started a talk page discussion before (as an IP) on Talk:Kievan Rus' about similar changes they made now (and a couple other editors had discussed this with them and there was no consensus for those changes). I was certain that this was them because I had previously reverted Shahray's edits before and the same IP left a message on my talk page asking why I reverted them.[4] After this they self-reverted and logged in as Shahray and wrote the same comment.[5] I told them to continue the discussion there as a result and I responded there. Despite this, Shahray said: This is not a discussion done by me, and looks antinormanist, why should I care?.[6] Then they edited the comment to say: obviously, do you know anything about this topic or are you just testing my patience?.[7] In their last comment, they once again imply that I am simply reverting them in bad faith: I just have no interest to wander in circles because of you giving some of the most minor excuses to not let my changes get in again and again.[8]

I have tried to explain my reverts using policy-based reasons but it seems that no matter what, they will always suggest that I just reverting them for no reason. I do not want to start another ANI discussion so soon, particularly if this may be viewed as premature. Can you suggest any steps that can be taken here to resolve the issue here, if possible? Thank you. Mellk (talk) 13:53, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I suggest you to look at your behavior first and stop complaining to other editors like a child.

Typing "I don't think this is an improvement" and inserting a random policy isn't yet a proper explanation. I asked you repeatedly why you consider this a WP:Synth [9], yet you haven't managed to reply to me properly. This is your last comment: "Also, I have not seen the formulation "first Rus people" before". Explains absolutely nothing about why my changes are "WP:Synth". Because you never really give an explanation, you just force to constantly wander in circles.

You've also made a claim like there's no source that tells about "Rus' land" [10], when it's literally mentioned one sentence above.

It looks more like you are just trying to create most minor excuses to not let my changes get in. The fact that you don't want to further discuss this on the talk page and instead you wrote this message proves my point.

You have been already formally warned to not make unreasonable reverts, yet here we are again.

If you feel like you are unable to constructively discuss in this topic, then you shouldn't be trying to waste more time of other editors and instead move to the topics you're more knowledgeable about. This is my advice for you. Shahray (talk) 15:33, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Nah, I think you're fine to go to ANI about it. They've been blocked twice for this already, and now they might be doing WP:LOUTSOCK stuff. There was some pretty serious failure to "get it" in response to El_C's week-long block. Sometimes people don't course-correct and there's nothing you can do. -- asilvering (talk) 15:33, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Go ahead and use that reply above as evidence. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- asilvering (talk) 15:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I was hoping there could be an alternative way to resolve this without having to go to ANI, but their response above, along with the subsequent edits they've made and what they wrote on the talk page of El C has unfortunately made ANI inevitable. Mellk (talk) 22:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Question from Thewriterthree (20:03, 26 October 2024)

Hi Asilvering, it is a pleasure to e-meet you. I have added a citation on-to this article:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_New_York_City

And wanted to make sure I did it correctly.

The statement is:

"The beaver’s importance in New York’s history is reflected by its use on the city’s official sea" --Thewriterthree (talk) 20:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Thewriterthree, welcome to wikipedia! It looks like you did the first one correctly (the one on "Hudson's report on the regional beaver population served as the impetus for the founding of Dutch trading colonies in the New World."), but not the second. See how the second is missing "ref" tags? I'll fix it for you so you can see. -- asilvering (talk) 20:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok, fixed it. There are lots of easier ways to add citations, too - I tend to add mine using the automatic function on Visual Editor. (Press "cite", then drop the ISBN into the popup. It sucks at searching for titles but works fine on ISBNs, dois, URLs, etc.) -- asilvering (talk) 20:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Thewriterthree (talk) 20:32, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

AFD Redirect Questions

I suggested in redirects here? Are they reasonable, and does the AfD closure meant prohibit me from making them? McYeee (talk) 03:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Hm, I don't know anything about the topic so I can't really say if making a redirect would be a good idea. I don't see a good spot on Heat-assisted magnetic recording for those to redirect to (I'd be hoping for a section heading or something like that). Does WP:REDYES apply? If so, it's probably better not to create any redirects. -- asilvering (talk) 03:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Redyes applies. Thanks for pointing it out! I think the place I thought made a good redirect target was actually a single paragraph in hard drive, but that's not actually a good target. McYeee (talk) 04:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Question from L'Andreea (08:28, 28 October 2024)

Hello. I created an article about a month ago. How long will it take to be reviewed? --L'Andreea (talk) 08:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks like it just was! Unfortunately it was declined because it didn't meet the notability guidelines. I don't suggest that you keep trying with this one, I'm afraid. Wikipedia is looking for articles on people who are already well into their careers, rather than people who are just starting out. Sorry! I'll come by your talk page and drop you some useful links. -- asilvering (talk) 08:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Question from Sumanmali11 (16:00, 28 October 2024)

Hi Asilvering,

I am editing my clients wiki and one guys started to revert the changes. How can I lock the wiki page? --Sumanmali11 (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sumanmali11 (talk page watcher) To answer your question, you can't have the page locked so only you can edit it. It's against policy to restrict editing for people who are abiding by the policies and guidelines, and also technologically impossible.

You have a conflict of interest that you need to declare on your userpage per our policies. Don't worry, we're forgiving of those who don't already know. Courtesy ping for Viewmont Viking I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 16:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for getting this one, @I dream of horses. @Sumanmali11, I'll just add that if you need a page locked in the future because of vandalism (eg, someone repeatedly replaces the entire contents with "penis penis penis" or whatever), the place to go is WP:RPP. Do not go there because someone reverted your changes to your client's Wikipedia article. -- asilvering (talk) 16:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft:The Land of Skulls

Hello, Asilvering,

I see you turned down a CSD G5 tag for this article because the editor was not blocked. But you can see if you go to Special:Contributions/Cassigad you can see that the editor has been globally blocked as an LTA. Exactly who, it doesn't say. I have a script that shows globally blocked editors with their username crossed out but if you don't use it, you should check out the contributions page to see if WikiMedia has imposed a sockpuppet block. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Oops, thanks for the catch. I was using a script that indicated editors who were blocked, but I didn't know there was one that also showed global locks. Thanks for letting me know that one exists, I've stolen it from your common.js for myself. -- asilvering (talk) 02:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Your message about my edit

Thank you very much for your message about my edit of 'The Society of the Spectacle'; I wondered whether I was being pedantic. Thank you again.John Desmond (talk) John Desmond (talk) 20:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Fixing citations like that is extremely helpful! -- asilvering (talk) 20:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Question from SahibSinghJi (23:11, 29 October 2024)

Hi Cocobb8.

I have joined to update and add new articles.

I wish to write about The Gurbani School app. Is there anything I need to know before I start writing new articles? --SahibSinghJi (talk) 23:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @SahibSinghJi, welcome to wikipedia! I'm not @Cocobb8, but I've tagged them into this in case you needed them in particular for some reason?

I don't suggest that you write about an app. It would almost certainly not meet the guidelines at WP:N, which any topic needs to meet in order to be eligible for a wikipedia article. I see you've got a welcome message on your talk page already - have a look at those links for some tips to help you getting started. -- asilvering (talk) 02:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Safari's talk page

Did my reply ping you in some way? Or do you have super antennae that pick up a mere mention of your name? :) S0091 (talk) 18:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

There's no guarantee I'll see it, of course, but an edit summary left on a prolific AfC reviewer's page that says "re Fram, admins are active at AfC" will tend to sent off the super antennae, haha. -- asilvering (talk) 19:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Now I have this picture of you as a faceless person with big antennae lol (no tin foil hat though). I hope Fram takes the suggestion to bring his concerns to AfC because, based on my experience, reviewers do a good job with neutral re-reviews (and I personally have a distaste for ANI) but I can understand if he thinks a broader audience is needed. I also left him instructions on his tp for resubmitting drafts on behalf of another user. S0091 (talk) 19:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I hope so as well. The speed with which the backlog has been going down has made me a bit nervous that something like this would come up. But I think AfC will be less angst for all involved and lead to a more successful cleanup effort. -- asilvering (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

what to do about this

Talk:Russian language#The map of the geographic distribution of the Russian language this time it is not from a decade ago,but i saw some users message "It`s more accurate only in your head. Who are you, ukrainian warrior? Just the encouraged vandal. Do they even pay for your work? Fuc Count (talk) 10:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)",seems like a violent message,is this one of the messages discouraged here Wikipedia:Harassment?? UnsungHistory (talk) 19:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's not acceptable. I've removed that from the talk page. -- asilvering (talk) 19:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

But how did you do it? UnsungHistory (talk) 01:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering UnsungHistory (talk) 18:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed this earlier. Here is the diff. Does that answer your question? -- asilvering (talk) 19:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

yes UnsungHistory (talk) 21:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Question from MarkWHowe (23:26, 30 October 2024)

Hello; Is there a way\ location, perhaps in my sandbox, to upload and store graphics like photos, diagrams, drawings etc? I'm thinking I could refine them in that place and then it would be convenient to copy and paste them into articles when needed. These would all be railroad related; photos of personages, maps, scans of documents etc. --MarkWHowe (talk) 23:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@MarkWHowe, if you're talking about graphics that can go in articles where needed - as in, graphics that are compatibly licensed - the right place for most of those images is Wikimedia Commons. -- asilvering (talk) 23:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes. But I can't see where there is a way to find them again as my personal group of images. Hence my tho't of having such in/on my sandbox. I have bookmarked the 'upload wizard' but I'm wondering if it is somewhere in my 'tools' list. If so it's not obvious. MarkWHowe (talk) 14:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I got the answer; Special:ListFiles/MarkWHowe. precisely what i was looking for.

Still wondering if the 'upload wizard' is somewhere in my 'tools' list and I'm just not seeing it. MarkWHowe (talk) 17:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@MarkWHowe, I use the old Vector skin so I'm not sure exactly where it's hiding on others, but I can get to the upload wizard on Commons in the left-hand menu, under "Participate". The link is called "Upload file". Does that help you find it? -- asilvering (talk) 17:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Here is a link to all your uploads on Commons - is this the kind of thing you're hoping for? -- asilvering (talk) 17:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that is exactly what I want but I have not yet found a way to install the link in my 'tools' sidebar., or if that is even possible. I figured it should be a 'user log' item; nope. Or a 'special pages' item; nope. Somebody said I should see an 'uploads' item in the upper right corner; not that I notice. I am now simply bookmarking the pages. That works. MarkWHowe (talk) 18:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Random redirects

So we can have random redirects like Vulgar Turkish? This isn't a proper name. Beshogur (talk) 10:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

FYI, this user Mr. Information1409 (talk · contribs) claims there is a "vulgar Turkish" like Vulgar Latin, but that's simply translation of the Turkish term kaba Türkçe (see Ottoman Turkish). This user didn't even bother to try to create something, just a redirect. Beshogur (talk) 10:53, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I admit that, sorry for that mistake. It was something that was referenced in the Turkish language article. Mr. Information1409 (talk) 13:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

What you can't do is put a CSD tag on a redirect without giving a reason, where no CSD criteria apply. If you object to a redirect for editorial reasons, nominate it at WP:RFD. -- asilvering (talk) 14:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok, for the next time in other article. You can delete it, I'm seemingly wrong despite the fact that it were references, I didn't fully searched them. Mr. Information1409 (talk) 16:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Mr. Information1409, that was a reply to @Beshogur, not to you, so don't worry. -- asilvering (talk) 16:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Mr. Information1409: I understand your thing, but with all respect, there's nothing like "vulgar Turkish". Turkish language (aka Istanbul Turkish) isn't spoken in rural Turkey either. So your edits were basically illogical. Same applies for Ottoman Turkish article, if you read it carefully, it covered all versions. Beshogur (talk) 20:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Question from Rakeshkrish 19 on Heinrich Klaasen (13:48, 31 October 2024)

How to insert image --Rakeshkrish 19 (talk) 13:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Rakeshkrish 19, there's information on uploading images at WP:UPIMAGE. Does that help? -- asilvering (talk) 17:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Question from Hallowme (15:02, 31 October 2024)

Why do all of my Wikipedia articles for creation get deleted even if I had 200 trusted sources the the new article --Hallowme (talk) 15:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hallowme, I only see that you've had one AfC draft deleted. Can you tell me what the others were? -- asilvering (talk) 15:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I mean my article but I had enough trusted sources Hallowme (talk) 15:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Really? The article was deleted as a hoax. Are you sure the trusted sources verified the article content? -- asilvering (talk) 17:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Talk-psychology

Thank you User:Asilvering for the message that you have left on my talk page. I understand now that you consider psychology as a real medical field that me as an old woman should rather not talk about, and you are %100 right. My question is if there can be a space in Wikipedia for social talk psychology for non-medical situations, where I would still have some life experience and knowledge to share. Chelky (talk) 02:17, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Not at all! Please do go ahead and edit articles on psychology, medical or otherwise - we just need to be following WP:MEDRS whenever we're editing something that contains a biomedical claim of some kind. I see that almost all of your edits to mainspace articles have been reverted for lack of reliable sources, which is why I suggest going through AfC first if you want to create a new article. -- asilvering (talk) 02:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from Beauthentic (16:02, 28 October 2024)

Hi, my goal is to contribute to the Wikipedia community by creating neutral profiles for notable people from underrepresented backgrounds. I already have a list of folks that I've written articles for that I believe adhere to all guidelines (neutrality, notability, citations, etc.), but would love to get your input before doing my first :) --Beauthentic (talk) 16:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Beauthentic, welcome to wikipedia! If you've already written the articles, no need to ask in advance: just set them up as drafts. WP:WIZARD makes this really easy. You can then submit the drafts to the Articles for Creation process for review. I'm happy to give you some feedback about your drafts, and so will other AfC reviewers. By the way, if those underrepresented people are women, you might be interested in joining WP:WIRED, which is a wikiproject that is very supportive to new editors. -- asilvering (talk) 16:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Asilvering! Super helpful. I'd love to get your feedback about my draft. Here it is:

== Layne Eskridge ==

Layne Eskridge (born September 8, 1981) is an American television executive and producer who has overseen the development of multiple Emmy Award-winning series. She founded POV Entertainment in 2020.

=== Career ===

==== Netflix (2016–2020) ====

At Netflix, Eskridge served as a creative executive overseeing drama series development. During her tenure, she supervised Ozark, which garnered 45 Primetime Emmy Award nominations and four wins between 2017 and 2022, including Outstanding Directing for Jason Bateman.

She oversaw When They See Us, which received 16 Emmy nominations and won Outstanding Lead Actor for Jharrel Jerome in 2019. The series earned a Peabody Award that same year.

Her portfolio included Dead to Me, which The Washington Post described as compelling television, and Top Boy, which won the 2024 BAFTA TV Award for Best Drama Series.

==== POV Entertainment (2020–present) ====

In 2020, Eskridge founded POV Entertainment and established a development deal with Endeavor Content in January 2021. Through this partnership, POV Entertainment began developing The Plot, a limited series adaptation starring Mahershala Ali for Disney's Onyx Collective.

In 2024, she executive produced Lady in the Lake for Apple TV+, starring Natalie Portman and Moses Ingram. She also serves as executive producer on Manhunt, an Apple TV+ series about John Wilkes Booth following Abraham Lincoln's assassination.

=== Selected filmography ===

==== Executive producer ====

• Lady in the Lake (Apple TV+, 2024)
• Manhunt (Apple TV+, 2024)
• The Plot (Hulu, in development)

==== Development executive ====

• Ozark (Netflix, 2017–2022)
• When They See Us (Netflix, 2019)
• Dead to Me (Netflix, 2019–2022)
• Top Boy (Netflix, 2019–2023)
• Seven Seconds (Netflix, 2018)
• Messiah (Netflix, 2020)
• Self Made (Netflix, 2020)

== References ==

Beauthentic (talk) 14:04, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Beauthentic, please just go ahead and create the draft, it's much easier to edit and discuss that way. -- asilvering (talk) 14:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

So to be clear about the process: that means to put the draft in my sandbox and then hit publish? Or should I be doing something else? Beauthentic (talk) 19:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

@Beauthentic (talk page watcher) You could do that. You could also create Draft:Layne Eskridge, and put the draft there. Either way is a legitimate way to create a draft. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:35, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

topic ban?

Does this allows me to respond on the talk page? If not, then please specify it, so I can ask broadly and reach consensus for my changes. Shahray (talk) 06:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

No, if you're banned from a topic, that means talk pages as well. See WP:TBAN. -- asilvering (talk) 06:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't this violate the topic ban? Since they are starting a RfC regarding the Rus/Russian naming they previously tried to change. At Talk:Second_Bulgarian_Empire#"Russian"_anachronisms they insisted on the "Rus" naming. Mellk (talk) 08:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it would. @Shahray, I've removed the RfC from that talk page. If it would be clearer, I can broaden the wording of the topic ban to "History of Ukraine and Russia", or whatever other phrasing you think would be more helpful, but this is certainly the kind of edit you are not supposed to be making while topic-banned. -- asilvering (talk) 00:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Your closing of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shirley Clelland

Hi, thank you for your great work with AfDs. Looking at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shirley Clelland, I notice it was closed as no consensus, but I think that keep would be a more fair closing as there were no delete views expressed at all other than the nominator, and adequate sources were provided with two keep views.

Could you please consider changing the closing decision to keep? I know it has no material impact right now, but down the line it will be useful to establish a precedent should someone decide to nominate the article again in the future.

Thanks, --Habst (talk) 12:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

If the second vote were more substantial, I might have, but I have to say this does look pretty shaky to me. In lieu of closing keep, I'll re-open it, and we'll see if someone else will come and add some more affirmation. -- asilvering (talk) 00:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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Ban appeal by Shahray

Notifying you about the appeal in WP:AE. Shahray (talk) 10:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

How to change the name of a page

So the page that i want to change the name of is San Francisco 4th and King Street station,it is not called the 4th and King street station, it is called just san francisco station,additionally i have actually ridden caltrain to that very station,i heard the announcements and on the screens it specifically says san francisco,i am very confident about this and i even have a source [11] UnsungHistory (talk) 18:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@UnsungHistory, you could open a WP:RM for that if you really want to, but the reason it is at that title is probably to disambiguate it from the other entries at San Francisco station. -- asilvering (talk) 20:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

They reverted it,they told me that it is potentially controversial and i should file a request instead of doing it outright for that matter,i do not get how is it controversial,but,how do i file a request for a move? UnsungHistory (talk) 04:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

The instructions are at WP:PCM. -- asilvering (talk) 04:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Happy Wikiversary!

It's still November 3 where I am. JamesMLane t c 00:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh, indeed! Happy 3rd to me! Thanks. :) -- asilvering (talk) 00:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Why can't i insert an infobox??

Trying to Insert an infobox on my user page, i copied pasted infobox wikitext from Template:Infobox Wikipedia user,that failed,and then trying to get creative,maybe write about myself via infobox country,to express my intrest in politics,by copying pasting wikitext from Template:Infobox country,also refused to convert wiki-text,it usually converts wikitext,what is going on?? UnsungHistory (talk) 21:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh wait,never mind,i figured it out UnsungHistory (talk) 21:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

but still,why is not the Wikitext working?? UnsungHistory (talk) 21:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Looks like you've fixed it? -- asilvering (talk) 23:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Umm,the wikitext is not working,i used the alternate way (through the insert option in edit mode),but i wonder,what glitch is that where wikitext does not get converted?? UnsungHistory (talk) 00:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't have any idea what you're talking about. Maybe someone at WP:TEA will recognize the issue? -- asilvering (talk) 02:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from TheSkillet (22:54, 4 November 2024)

are you a real person --TheSkillet (talk) 22:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes. -- asilvering (talk) 23:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Voorts

Sorry, I accidentally touched your edit when I was placing my vote. I already self reverted and replaced my edit (this time taking extra care not to be the WP:BULLINCHINASHOP.) Just wanted to properly apologize.

RCSCott91 (talk) 00:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I never noticed! No worries. -- asilvering (talk) 00:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello and thank you. Crafterstar (talk) 12:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

No problem. Good luck out there. -- asilvering (talk) 16:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

How to Archive conversations

So,I just tested out my new signature on my talk page (because I thought it is the most logical place on Wikipedia to do so)it works just fine,so,since it is working i want to archive it UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 20:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I want to archive the signature test UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 20:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Do you need to archive it? You could simply remove it from the page. -- asilvering (talk) 00:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Well,Remove or Archive,I do not know how to Archive,and I am always eager to learn more Edit tricks!UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 00:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:ARCHIVE has info on how to archive talk pages in general. It can be confusing, but basically all you have to do is copy the code in the table "Sequentially numbered archives" under "ClueBot III" and paste it into the top of your user talk page. That will set up an automatic talk page archive. Once the bot runs the first time and generates you an archive page, you can just cut-and-paste the section you want to archive over onto it if you want to archive something early. -- asilvering (talk) 00:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry if i may seem too pestering,but what does table "Sequentially numbered archives" under "ClueBot III" mean UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 02:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm trying to direct you to the right part of the page. Do a ctrl+f (or command+f or whatever) search for "Sequentially numbered archives" and you'll find it. -- asilvering (talk) 02:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

This is strange....it shows 0/0 results.... UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 02:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Christoph Lüthy

Hello, Asilvering,

I see you are active on the project so I thought I'd ask you a question. I was looking at draft articles that were due for CSD G13 speedy deletion later tonight and saw that you commented upon this draft that you thought it should be accepted as an article. Do you think so? Enough that we should postpone this deletion? I rarely see comments like that on drafts that were abandoned so I thought I'd ask. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:08, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Liz, I'll try and fix it up. -- asilvering (talk) 04:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Yugoslav Communist Pirate Party

Can you find even one source for the Yugoslav Communist Pirate Party or Komunistička Piratska Partija Jugoslavije? Fram (talk) 16:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Fake ref's-- the hallmark of a hoax.😛 -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Oops, made a talk page thread about this already. But, basically: their website does exist, so if it's a hoax, it's not just a hoax on our end. But since they appear to have just started existing (if this isn't a rather elaborate hoax), you might skip the prod and try G11 tbh. -- asilvering (talk) 16:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Pauletta Brupbakher

A tag has been placed on Pauletta Brupbakher requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Fram (talk) 16:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

"Pauletta Brupbakher" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Pauletta Brupbakher has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 7 § Pauletta Brupbakher until a consensus is reached. Fram (talk) 16:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from Kunchok Namgail Ladakh (15:13, 8 November 2024)

I would like to ask a question regarding benefits here in Wikipedia while editing and doing changes in texts. --Kunchok Namgail Ladakh (talk) 15:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to wikipedia, @Kunchok Namgail Ladakh! Ask away. -- asilvering (talk) 15:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

User:MalakFayedEUI

Wanted to see what you think. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 00:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I would absolutely delete this one. My reasoning here is that ChatGPT doesn't have feelings and we wouldn't want it writing Wikipedia articles if it did anyway. -- asilvering (talk) 00:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm passionate about deleting promotional autobiographies. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 00:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I do have a concern about the fact that it's been recreated multiple times as a speedy-able userpage. If this were a draft or article, I'd absolutely nominate it for a salting, but it's a userpage. Courtesy ping to Deepfriedokra I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 00:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't think salting is a great idea most of the time, since that makes it harder for admins and patrollers to notice if something has been repeatedly recreated - that is, someone who wants to recreate an article can just slightly alter the title and go ahead, without it being obvious to anyone who didn't see the first one. Better to leave them as spam honeypots and block the spammers as they arise. -- asilvering (talk) 00:30, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Indeed on salt. Only me and @Explicit:'ve deleted it. Many new users do not understand. There is always User:Deepfriedokra#rDFO's rule of thumb -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 00:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra and @Asilvering: I suppose you guys have a point. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 00:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Wild Wing close

Would you please summarize the support and oppose arguments and counter-arguments you identified at Talk:Wild Wing#Requested move 26 September 2024 and explain how you weighed them to find consensus to move? Thank you. —В²C ☎ 05:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

It's pretty simple: the oppose side says that the threshold of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is met; the support side says it is not. As for weighing them: the support side has eight editors in favour; the oppose side has three. The oppose arguments were not found to be persuasive by the support side. The support side has arguments that counter the oppose side; the oppose arguments depend on ignoring those arguments and on insisting that our guidelines are more firm about this than they really are. It wasn't a close call. -- asilvering (talk) 11:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

You sure about declining the U5 on what has now been moved to Draft:Emmanuel Alexander Onofua?

This was created as a userpage. If you compare the username to the page content, it looks to me that this is a CV, not an attempt at a draft. E.g., text like this by an account named Eonofua, that is E Onofua, and a userpage that begins Dr. Emmanuel Alexander Onofua and continues with text like Highly accomplished finance expert with 10+ years of experience in investment banking, financial consulting, and strategic leadership. Proven track record of driving business growth, managing complex projects, and providing expert advisory services to top-tier organizations. Highly accomplished finance expert with a PhD in Finance and over 15 years of experience in investment banking, financial consulting, and strategic leadership. Proven track record of driving business growth, managing complex projects, and providing expert advisory services to top-tier organizations. Looks like someone writing their personal profile to me. Thanks, MarcGarver (talk) 08:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Yep, sure looks like someone writing a crap autobio to me, too. People write all kinds of those (we see them at AfC all the time). They're drafts. Crap drafts! But drafts. And drafts aren't eligible for U5. -- asilvering (talk) 09:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I saw that at the time. I would have deleted per U5 and G11 instead of draftifying. I agree we sometimes are over zealous with U5's and would like to learn more about your approach. Best. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Maybe I should have just sighed and blocked that guy in particular for spamming, but in general my thinking is that if we're extending enough grace and good faith to someone that we're not going to make them eat an indef over their crap first edits, those edits don't deserve to be immediately summarily deleted either. Moving it to draft doesn't cost us much (only a bit more admin time than deleting), and it breaks the possibly desired "here is my linkedin profile" effect for the editor just as well as deletion. If they're a good faith editor making a genuine but foolish attempt at engaging with Wikipedia, they'll appreciate it. If they go to the AfC help desk or Teahouse in confusion, the non-admin reviewers/hosts will appreciate being able to see it (rather than having to say "I dunno, but it looks like your first try sucked so bad we set it on fire"). If they don't come back, it'll be resolved by G13 in six months, and if they refuse to get it and keep recreating their userpage, we can indef them and move on with our lives. -- asilvering (talk) 13:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Insightful. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Hi there -- If you don't mind me butting in -- I'm keen to share admin perspectives on what to do with U5–G11 tagged pages in the light of the discussion of Fastily's U5 deletions. For example, User:Billybilluk/Sample page, currently tagged G11, which I would probably generally delete G11 (but not U5), but I'm thinking (in the light of the above) you wouldn't? My feeling on some of these is that they overshare, and often give private information not only about themselves, but also relatives/friends/enemies. (This is particularly problematic with such pages from clear minors.) Anyway, interested in sharing views informally somewhere outside the Fastily petition. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 02:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  FWIW, I have more stringent criteria for honoring CSD's than some. Not sure I would honor that one. I do not detag them 'cause I know i'm out of alignment with other admins. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  That's very interesting to know, Deepfriedokra. What would drive me to delete it more than anything else is the names of all the subject's relatives. I tend to have three heaps when looking at G11: delete, grey area, decline, and am finding more and more that my personal grey area expands as I realise that there is a huge spectrum of response among admins. However, the great majority (though not all) of my grey-area G11s are later deleted by someone else, and some of my declines lead to conflict with patrollers (eg recently Draft:Posity Online), so I have been feeling rather out of step with community norms of late. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not so sure, @Deepfriedokra - of course, there's going to be a wide variety of opinions when you ask any 800 Wikipedians about anything, but I think there might be more sympathy for the "don't delete" end of things than you think. I think what happens is that all of the less-deletionist admins stop taking the tags off because they get tired of being yelled at by patrollers. Which means that nearly everything that gets tagged will be deleted, since it will just sit until it finds an admin who will take it. We probably shouldn't be calibrating ourselves on "it got deleted eventually" if that's going to end in that admin getting hung out to dry over it.

  As for this example... ugh. I admit that I have found exceptions to my ability to extend grace and good faith, and two of those exceptions are "SEO professionals" and "up-and-coming Nigerian rappers". As a promotional userspace draft on an "up-and-coming Nigerian tech entrepreneur"... I twitch and let someone else handle it. Yes, I know this means it will be deleted. I feel slightly better for not having pulled the trigger. -- asilvering (talk) 03:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  "I think what happens is that all of the less-deletionist admins stop taking the tags off because they get tired of being yelled at by patrollers. Which means that nearly everything that gets tagged will be deleted, since it will just sit until it finds an admin who will take it." Indeed. And over time, those of us who started out being inclusionist,-user/draft-space-is-rarely-a-problem–type admins either turn away from deletion, or turn into deletion machines. I am more likely to intervene for things where I'm prepared to strip out overt promotion, but it's not clear whether that's ok in userspace. I'd certainly be offended if someone I didn't know came along and edited my sandbox drafts substantively. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 04:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  Didn't think about all the other people named. Of course if there are minors involved, it needs oversight. Most of my Gray area CSDs get deleted. I learned very quickly after my return to just leave be. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 03:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  Deepfriedokra Thanks. When to call for oversight is another thorny one; I have had most of my calls for oversight declined, too. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  under 14 yo seems to be the threshold. YMMV. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 05:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Deepfriedokra, @Espresso Addict: I've been told the threshold is 15/16 years and younger. I've also had most of my rejected requests for oversight rev-deleted instead. I strongly suspect there's a gray area. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  I dream of horses I'm fairly sure I've been told that deleted articles even on quite young children (12–15) need not be oversighted unless there is clear identifying material such as telephone number, or some other reason for caution. But perhaps the oversighters all work independently as well. PS: Sorry to hijack your talk on this issue, Asilvering! Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 05:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Espresso Addict Perhaps I owe Asilvering an apology as well, since I was thinking about editors self-outing themselves (including but not limited to an autobiography).

  About perhaps the oversighters all work independently as well: I recently once sent something into User:Oversight, which apparently prompted a discussion aamong the oversighers as to whether or not it should be oversighted. It was oversighted during the discussion and remained oversighted. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  The trouble with oversight, by its very nature, is that we mortals can't see what is oversighted and what isn't. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  Huh, I think everything I've referred to OS for "minor outing themselves" reasons has been actioned. But then, my "this needs oversight" alarms didn't go off for that User:Billybilluk/Sample page. -- asilvering (talk) 09:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  [Missed this...] For clarity, I don't think there's anything that needs oversight in User:Billybilluk/Sample page (which seems to have bounced back) but unsourced personal info of that sort I remove from mainspace all the time, and even in userspace drafts that look like autobios, the subject is unlikely to have got consent from relatives to mention them. You do have to read the whole thing as sometimes similar profiles mention conquering drug abuse or the like, or even make allegations of sexual abuse towards identifiable people. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 14:03, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, I would absolutely remove that stuff from mainspace articles. I end up having to do that kind of thing pretty often when accepting AfC drafts. -- asilvering (talk) 19:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Question about you close

Can you name a policy or guideline based keep argument that was made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of World War II weapons of Turkey? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Nope, sure can't. -- asilvering (talk) 18:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

🤔 -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Then how did we end up with a no consenus close? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

If you think it's appropriate to close an AfD with two keep votes, a redirect, a merge, and only a single affirmation for deletion as anything other than "no consensus", you're welcome to take it to WP:DRV for a sanity check. But I don't think that will get anywhere (though you may find it personally affirming). Sometimes you've just got to sigh, roll your eyes, and try again in a few weeks. -- asilvering (talk) 18:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

So you're saying that there was no policy or guideline based deletion argument? I would also note that redirect and delete are the same thing in this context. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 23:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I did not say that. What I said was pretty clear: If you think it's appropriate to close an AfD with two keep votes, a redirect, a merge, and only a single affirmation for deletion as anything other than "no consensus", you're welcome to take it to WP:DRV for a sanity check. Redirect and delete are absolutely not the same thing, though I will often count delete !votes as "would presumably be satisfied with a redirect" if they don't give any reason why it explicitly needs to be deleted or why a redirect is undesirable. In this case we also had two potential targets, with no later participants expressing a preference for either of them. -- asilvering (talk) 13:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Why did you not do what you often do here? You still have not explained how you get to no consensus if there are only policy based arguments on one side. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:40, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I did not do that because In this case we also had two potential targets, with no later participants expressing a preference for either of them. I found no consensus for deletion because I saw no consensus for deletion. I don't get to overrule 2/3 of the participants simply because I think they're not doing AfD "correctly". What I can do is close the discussion as no consensus, so that it can be relisted again soon for another try, if anyone is so inclined. -- asilvering (talk) 19:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Aren't you required to discount or disregard arguments which are not based in policy or guideline? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:13, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

If you think it's appropriate to close an AfD with two keep votes, a redirect, a merge, and only a single affirmation for deletion as anything other than "no consensus", you're welcome to take it to WP:DRV for a sanity check. -- asilvering (talk) 20:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't add up, you don't seem to be counting Conyo14 at all and "No compelling reason that it should exist." is affirmation for deletion... And you can't say its two potential targets when it says "for instance" Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:10, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

If you think my close was inappropriate you are welcome to take it to WP:DRV for a sanity check. -- asilvering (talk) 22:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I can't know that unless you explain your close, which you haven't done if you haven't said how you accounted for Conyo14's contribution. You are also clearly wrong about there being two two potential targets as one is qualified with "for instance" meaning that it can't competently be interpreted as exlusive Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Horse Eye's Back Asilvering has been clear that they aren't changing their position, and that DRV is an appropriate venue for further discussion. Please respect that boundary. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 22:26, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

They're not at all being clear about that, but if thats what you want we can can all go to DRV. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I've explained the close several times. You don't like the explanation; that's fine. You're not forced to like it. But I absolutely have explained it. I don't know why you, as the delete !voter, would want to fight it, since a no-consensus close leaves it open for relisting and deletion, but you're not forced to accept it, either. DRV has been open to you this whole time. -- asilvering (talk) 22:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

This is only the second or third time I've ever contested a close, if you had compentently explained your position we wouldn't be at DRV. You're insisted on providing the bare minimum that you think needs to be provided at each step of the process and I just don't get it. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:39, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@Horse Eye's Back, the first relist comment said there was no consensus, there was a new type of !vote (for merge) following that one, it was again relisted as no consensus yet, and then you formalized the position you'd already taken at the beginning of the AfD. It was "no consensus" the entire time. I don't know how this outcome could possibly be a surprise. Again, I've said from the beginning that you're welcome to take it to DRV for a sanity check. -- asilvering (talk) 22:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I did, the notice is below. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from 24carly (10:21, 10 November 2024)

How do I add a biography here --24carly (talk) 10:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi 24carly, welcome to wikipedia! The short answer is, I'm afraid, that you don't. Please see WP:AUTOBIO. -- asilvering (talk) 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

You forgot to move the talk page

@Asilvering: Hi, thank sfor your help with the History of the Jews in Madagascar. However, you forgot to move the talk page as well. Could you please fix that. Thank you so much! IZAK (talk) 12:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Weird. Thanks for letting me know! I've fixed that. -- asilvering (talk) 13:13, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, IZAK (talk) 17:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for List of World War II weapons of Turkey

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of World War II weapons of Turkey. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)