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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:56, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

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Erza Muqoli

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Created by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 23:59, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

  • @Moscow Connection: Prose size 2796 B. I'm AGFing the foreign-language sources. I'd lean towards ALT1 because being voted no sounds a little too routine to be interesting... unless you want to rewrite that first-choice hook. Only two things needed to address: two sentences - "posted videos of her singing on the Internet" and "The entire album was written and composed by Vianney." - need inline citations attached to them. Most importantly, QPQ needed. I'd also recommend merging some one-sentence paragraphs. And yes, I'll give you time to work on the article. ミラP 00:56, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Reading through both hooks, ALT0 has potential, but it might need additional context or clauses for the benefit of non-French readers. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:42, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
What do you mean. How would you change it? --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
By the way, Gilbert Rozon is sort of a French version of Simon Cowell. But he resigned from all his posts. See his French Wikipedia article. --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
@Miraclepine: Could you look at the article now? (I must tell you there is still a slight problem with sourcing. If you want, I will just delete the sentence for now.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
@Moscow Connection: I'd say remove the sentence. It's sourced to YouTube and we should not use that stuff to source stuff in BLPs. After that, you're good. ミラP 20:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Done. (After the article disappears from the main page, I will try to find a better source.)
(Actually, the Républicain Lorrain article from September 2014 said that she was already a star on YouTube. It just didn't say that this was because Pascal Wéber had posted videos of her performances. So I think this minor problem could be disregarded per WP:NOTOR and WP:IAR. But, as a rule-abiding editor, I just had to point the problem out to you. And, after all, the article is going to be linked from the main page, it must be perfect.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
It has potential, my main concern is that Rozon may not be well-known to our non-French readers (personally I've never heard of him), so if he's going to be mentioned in a hook, I would suggest some context be added on who he is or how he's important. As for ALT2, it's really niche and again may not appeal to non-French readers. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:01, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I have no idea who Rozon is, and it clearly didn't matter since she made the show despite the incident; it fails to meet DYK hook criterion of being interesting to a broad audience, so I have struck that hook. I think ALT2 might be workable if another fact was added to it (though it would have to be added to her article): that Kids United had three number one studio albums in a row while she was a member; the first is at this link], and the next two are linked to from that page. So here are two alternate hooks based on ALT1 and ALT2 respectively:
  • ALT3: ... that the singer Erza Muqoli was a founding member of the French child music group Kids United, which had three number one albums during her tenure?
  • ALT4: ... that the singer Erza Muqoli was a contestant on France's Got Talent and a member of the French child music group Kids United, which had three number one albums during her tenure?
I suppose "number one" could be replaced by "chart-topping", if desired. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Follow-up: I have added the charting information to support these two hooks. Moscow Connection, there are bare URLs in footnote 9 and footnote 22 has significant formatting issues; these will need to be fixed before this nomination can be approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
ALTs 3 and 4 sound good. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: I've fixed the footnotes. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:05, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Moscow Connection: all the links from snepmusique.com seem to have dies, can you please check on them? --evrik (talk) 19:21, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
    @Evrik: I know... Nothing can be done about this, sadly. The download and streaming singles charts disappeared when SNEP rearranged its website. But don't worry, the information is correct, I saw the charts back in November. --Moscow Connection (talk) 19:50, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I am approving Alt3. --evrik (talk) 19:21, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, and am wondering why her first name is being used throughout the article. If that is her stage name, please indicate so in the lead. If not, please subscribe to WP:SURNAME. Yoninah (talk) 14:05, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, I've made the MOS:SURNAME adjustments to the article; there's no evidence that her stage name is a mononym. (If it were, the new solo album would have been named Erza rather than Erza Moquli.) BlueMoonset (talk) 17:07, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah and BlueMoonset: I didn't even think about it when I was writing the page, but she is indeed known primarily by her first name. When she was on France's Got Talent, she was referred to as simply Erza ([1]). That is probably done for privacy reasons. And that was also the case when she was in Kids United. All the Kids United members were officially known by their first names only. I would prefer to leave it as it was before. --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:29, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I would really prefer to call her Erza throughout the article.
    And, by the way, look at this. It's the page for her album on Totoutard.com. (Tôt ou tard is her label.) It says the album is titled simply "ERZA". (Maybe it's more like an announcement, the page was there before the album came out.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:38, 22 December 2019 (UTC) --Moscow Connection (talk)
  • And yet the album cover has "Erza Muqoli" on it, not "Erza". Her Facebook and Instagram accounts all show her name as Erza Muqoli, and Spotify lists her by her full name (and shows it on the artwork for her various songs). She's growing up. I understand your preference, but I think it has to give way to MOS:SURNAME in this case. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:32, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
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