Talk:Tyagi

Extended-Protected Edit Request on 2 March 2022

On this page active editor continues to cite Raj era sources. Chariotrider555

Arbitrary heading

This articles cannot be merged with Bhumihars. Tyagi is a more wide and common subcaste than bhumihar. Nobody in India or elsewhere in the world use Bhumihar as there surname. But the surname Tyagi is most common in westeren Utter Pardesh, Delhi, Haryana and Easteren Rajasthan. Therefore Tyagi is not supposed to be merged with Bhumihar.

Tyagi origination

The origination of tyagi’s can be found in the documents of the bhaats. Bhats are those guy who maintain record family history and according to them tyagi are descendents of lord parshuram and according to mythology there is belief that lord parshuram had asked the bhargav’s not to take bhiksha, those who obeyed his words and they left taking bhiksha, they are called the tyagi’s and the other rest of followers are called shrama’s, pandey’s, mishra’s and other brahmin cast.

actually there believed to be many castes of the same kind across north india like tyagi in west up & delhi, mohiyals in punjab, bhumihars in bihar and east up, desai in gujrat and maharastra, galab in up and rajasthan. there are independent organisations working for the benefit and welfare of these caste and one umbrella organisation also seems to exist.

I also agree to the point mentioned above that TYAGI should not be merged with Bhumihaar. Thanks and Regrads, Anugrah atreya 12:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

13:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)~

Big NO for this merger. Though both the castes are quite similar and emotionally close but they are very unique in many aspects so both should be covered under separate pages.

Ruchin Tyagi

Tyagis are a subtype of Bhumihaar that predominantly live in Western UP. TT 04:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this post to include in Tyagi wikki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikashtyagi (talk • contribs) 14:51, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Right only name differs but bhumihar and tyagi means the same and it should be also addressed same. Tyagiland (talk) 02:16, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikification

I went ahead and Wikified the content of the article and tried to clean up/organize its content. If there are any factual errors, please advise. The format of the article before was a bit chaotic. TT 04:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I came back and tried to add more concrete references and really pinpoint the references as best I could. Still not entirely familiar with Wikipedia, so if any comments or feedback would be great. Chantoke TT 20:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

District Gazetteer and Taga vs Tyagi

the article now looks ok but there is need for lot of research on the issue.

It is well known fact at least among older population that word “taga” is the name which the caste used till very recently. In older records of the raj lot of references are found to the word”taga” (plural- tagas). Two creditable references are given as under

Quote (from the “ DISTRICT – MUZAFFARNAGAR- DISTRICT GAZEETEER- CHAPTER III THE PEOPLE-CENSUS OF 1901)210.18.119.115 07:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC) “TAGAS The Tagas, though not found in anything approaching the numbers attained in Meerut and Saharanpur, are still fairly numerous in this district, being represented at the last census by 10,448 persons. They claim to be a branch of Brahrmans and explain their position as analogous to that of the Bhuimhars of the eastern districts, but who they really are is a matter of conjecture. Sir H. M. Elliott believed the word Taga to be a corruption of Takka, which he considered to be the name of a race akin to the Scythians. Whether this be so or not, it is quite incredible that the Tagas, who are only found in any numbers in the Meerut and Rohilkhand divisions, should have come from Gaur. in Bengal, although this is the tradition of the Tagas themselves. At any rate, in this district they undoubtedly came from the west and were pressed by the Jats and Gujars into the northern and eastern tracts. They are now a purely agricultural clan and are good and industrious cultivators, but not equal to the Jats. Numbers of them were converted to Islam in the time of Aurangzeb, and at the present time there are 7,510 Muhammadan Tagas in this district. There are several subdivisions of the castes. The Bachas or Pachauliyan Tagas have a compact settlement known as tbe Bahira, which is said to have originally consisted of twelve villages in eastern Shikarpur. The Bikwan Tagas, said to have come from Bikanir, also claim to have originally held twelve villages; they are now chiefly found in Pur Chhapar. The Gandran clan is found in Budhana ; the Nimdan and Bhardwar in Charthawal; and the Rasdan in Thana Bhawan. At the present time half the Tagas are found in the Muzaffarnagar tahsil and most of the rest in Budhana. They are very considerable landholders, and at the time of Mr. Miller's settlement were in possession of 53,497 acres, or about five per cent, of the whole district. There are no large landowners among them, their villages being all held in coparcenary tenure.” UNQUOTE210.18.119.115 07:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Bisdes this other reference which I came across is in wikipedia only while describing Muslim invader “Taimoor lane” from samarkand in central asia in 14 th century. After he and his massive army plundered delhi and adjoining areas, there was formed a resistance army comprising of people from all the 36 caste residing in the area between ganga and jamuna river and with the avowed purpose of saving desecration of holi city Haridwar town from the invading army. Among the caste represented on the commanders of “SARVA KHAP ARMY” were two “ “taga” commander UMRA TAGA being one of deputy general and “RAMPYARI TAGA” one of the ladies commander. (this is available on wikipedia " sarva khap" These two reference have proven historical value in an otherwise total mythological arguments. Further work needs to be done at least on these these sources as these refers to a very rich work of other historian and in the process only historical truth can be unearthed as to how the caste evolved over the centuries.

sudhir tyagi (sudhir.tyagi@sbi.co.in) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.18.30.215 (talk) 07:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

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I appreciate your references. Do you have any links to the District Gazetteer text, or an exact reproduction of its literature. While I appreciate your taking the time to quote it in your response, it seems that there are a number of typos and I would like to see the original text, or at least an accurate reproduction of what is written before adding anything to the Wiki. Also, when you say the connection between Taga and Tyagi "is well known" among older people, to whom exactly are you referring? That is to say, my father is a 58 year old Tyagi, and he is not aware of the connection. Tongue in cheek aside, I am a little reluctant to add the connection without knowing its source. I did look up the District Gazetteer and created a new entry on Wikipedia for international audiences unfamiliar with its origins. If you have any more insight, I would love to hear it. Chantoke 24.152.166.156 17:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Timur the Lame

I had some time today and I was curious so I went ahead and looked into your District Gazetteer reference. I believe that your reference to "Taimoor Lane" is actually in regard to Timur the Lame, a bloodthirsty Muslim general who killed around one million people in Delhi in the 14th century. Tyagis were involved in the resistance to Timur in the holy city of Haridwar, trying to protect it from rape and plunder during his crusade. I want to thank you for enlightening me about this important part of the surname's history. I had no idea Tyagis had such a tumultuous and noble past. Chantoke TT 22:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Taga- Tyagi connection

though tyagi's are a predominantly farmer community and it is a fact that rarely you will find a tyagi who does nt owned agricultural land. vast majority of tyagi still lives in villages of saharanpur, muzaffarnagar, meerut, gaziabad, noida, bulanadshahar bijnor moradabad distt of up, haridwar distt of now uttaranchal, sonipat, panipat and gurgaon distt of haryana and many urbanised village of delhi and there thay are known as taga, tagga or tagge.not only other rural caste people staying close to tyagi's villages but our own people still called themselves as "taga". off late there may be a portion of tyagi population which is not in a position to be in touch with their rural roots or for few generations staying at places where they can not be in touch with other tyagi people.

Right taga redefines tyagi. Tyagiland (talk) 02:21, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

timur the lame: about sarva khap army

khap is word which is normally associated with the divisions of people belonging to jat caste which dominate numerically the area beyond delhi between ganga and jamuna. jats along with gujar were the main contributors to sarva khap army which was named so to denote that it has the support of all strata to the society.

district gazetteer- muzaffarnagar

it is a site by distt administration of muzaffarnagar where they have done a good job by uploading the distt gazetteer, which a very reliable saurce of recent history. sudhir.tyagi@sbi.co.in

Who is Bhat?

Who is the "Bhat" mentioned in first line of Historical Origins? Lilaac (talk) 20:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Hindu and Muslim Tyagis

Hi.. i have corrected the absolutely false and misleading statement that Tyagi's are both Hindu and muslims, since no proof, past or present points to that..

59.180.50.54 (talk) 20:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

This is totally untrue, and just a bizarre attempt at "cleansing" out reality. There are many refs on Hindu and Muslim Tyagis, and there was a totally credible ref right here. There is a complete article on Muslim Tyagis for Pete's sake! I am going to reverse this. --Hunnjazal (talk) 02:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

There is minor number of Tyagi's who converted to become Muslim. It would be false to say that Tyagi's are prevalent in both Hindus & Muslims. Just compare numbers, perhaps there is not even 5% of Muslim Tyagis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyagiaman (talk • contribs) 18:29, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Notable people

Please do not add to the list of notable people unless you can provide either a blue link to a relevant article on Wikipedia and/or a citation to a reliable source. Failure to do this means that an addition cannot be verified. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 16:51, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Why is Mr. Prakash Vir Shastri not in the list of notable Tyagi's. Mr. Prakash Vir Shastri was a M.P. for several terms from independence until his death. Mr. Prakash Vir Shastri was first Indian to give speech at United Nations in Hindi. Also, Mr. Lal Krishn Advani, named North Avenue leading to Rashtrapati Bhavan as Prakash Vir Shastri Avenue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyagiaman (talk • contribs) 18:32, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Is this about a surname or a caste/community?

What a mess this article is. It goes wrong at the very first sentence, which says that it is about Tyagi, a surname. Soon after, other surnames are mentioned. Later on - in the migration section - still more are mentioned. So how can it be about a surname?

Either the article has totally lost its focus or the opening sentence should actually say something like "Tyagi is a caste whose origins lie in north India and in Pakistan." Please could someone clarify. - Sitush (talk) 16:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Tyagi is a sub-caste of Brahmin caste. http://www.peoplegroupsindia.com/profiles/taga/. Tyagi sub-caste can use Tyagi as their surname also. Additionally, Singh, Sharma, Bhardwaj are also surnames used by Tyagi's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyagiaman (talk • contribs) 18:34, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Disappointed

I am disappointed by all the vandalism that has occurred with this article over the past two years since I first wrote it. It is time for a major clean up, and I may petition for a reversion to the earlier, referenced version.

In addition, there is no point in creating a separate Tyagi (Muslim) page, or deleting the referenced portions of this page without specifically addressing what was lacking about the references. These actions are essentially vandalism (see Wikipedia:Vandalism).

This article is about a surname, not an ethnic group. The ENTIRE history of the name has to be discussed WITH appropriate references.

If we were doing an article about the name 'Jackson', we would not only discuss Andrew Jackson and ignore Jesse Jackson and Michael Jackson, as this would be racist. Similarly, as there are both religious groups within the surname, both have to be discussed. I have also requested that this page be semi-protected as clearly it has become a target for vandals.

I have been working very hard at Wikipedia for a very long time, and I have very strongly believe in the message of this encyclopedia:

- We must follow Wikipedia guidelines. - All historical claims must be referenced. - Referenced sentences may not be removed without assessment of the reference.

Please feel free to discuss on my talk page. Parsh (talk) 10:11, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

No. Discuss it here, please, where everyone who has an interest can participate in a centralised fashion. - Sitush (talk) 10:13, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I just discussed it above. I am not prohibiting further discussion here. I encourage it. I also open my talk page up to anyone to reach me as well. This mess was created due to a lack of dialogue. Most of the edits were not discussed on the talk page. Again, Wikipedia guidelines must be followed. Parsh (talk) 10:21, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

No, you invited people to continue the discussion on your talk page, which is poor practice. Please could you provide a diff of the article at the point that you consider to have been its optimum. - Sitush (talk) 10:22, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

The intent of inviting users to my talk page was not to preclude a discussion here, it was to convey my openness to discussion. I will certainly be providing a new, referenced version of this article, as the degree of contention here will require more thorough research. More to the point, I believe the volume of new information here and interim edits and deletes need to be assessed first before a decision can be made on whether it can be reverted. This will require some time, but I will be happy to follow up. Parsh (talk) 10:36, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Merger Discussion

As Sitush very appropriately mentioned, there needs to be a merger discussion and someone removed the old one from 2010.

I believe there should be one Tyagi article with Hindu and Muslim subsections. Reasons for this are as below:

First reference: "Tyagi" by DT Mattheus --> www.amazon.com/gp/product/6136395681/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER|title=Tyagi

- Mattheus traces the historical origins of Tyagis to the first millenium BC, before the existence of Islam.

Second reference: Indias Changing Villages, p 16 by S.C. Dube -->Google books link --> http://books.google.com/books/about/India_s_Changing_Villages.html?id=a7HitkOMHTkC

"The Tyagi are an agricultural caste which claims to be priestly Brahmins. Literally the word Tyagi means 'those who have renounced', they trace the origin of their caste name to their having renounced three Brhamanical functions, viz. the study of vedas, functioning as priests, and acceptance of alms. Muslim Tyagis are converts from the times of Jehangir and Aurungzeb and are originally kin to their Hindu counterparts."

Please let me know what you think. Parsh (talk) 12:16, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, from Wikipedia policy page on merging:

Quote from Wikipedia policy page, two of the criteria for mergers are Overlap and Context. I have included their relevant sections from Wikipedia:Merging

Overlap: There are two or more pages on related subjects that have a large overlap. Wikipedia is not a dictionary; there does not need to be a separate entry for every concept in the universe. For example, "flammable" and "non-flammable" can both be explained in an article on flammability.

Context: If a short article requires the background material or context from a broader article in order for readers to understand it. For example, minor characters from works of fiction are generally covered in a "List of characters in <work>" article(and can be merged there); see also Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). :::::

I believe Muslim Tyagi satisfies both the criteria of Overlap and Context for a specific surname. The original article also has extensive point of view issues and unreferenced material which will be cleaned up during the merger, but I believe the point that there are two religions that have achieved significant cultural predominance within a single surname should be addressed. I also believe that this page should be semi-protected due to extensive editorializing. Please advise as to your thoughts, thanks. Parsh (talk) 12:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree that the articles should be merged. There really isn't much to be said of the Tyagi as a community and we can deal with religious differences in one place. - Sitush (talk) 11:19, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2016

115.248.157.193 (talk) 06:15, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

• Mukul Tyagi.Deputy Manager Onicra Credit rating Agency of india limited*

 Not done Your edit request is unclear here. I'm not really sure what you want done. Regards— MeowMoon (talk) 07:44, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2016

"has led some Tyagis to claim" is simply mischievious as Taga / Tyagi brahmans are Aadi Gaud brahman group of Panch Gaud clans described in Hindu scriptures. Tyagi Gaud clans have clear lineage from the original Gaud Brahman villages and they are the most respected warrior brahmans since vedic period. 106.77.210.120 (talk) 16:38, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

• Note for patroller: I have had to refactor the comments of this anon. Their original series of edits was this. It is tangled up in a bunch of old threads and seems to refactor some of those. You may need to review for context, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 17:59, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 06:39, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2016

2605:A000:1401:C1:F91E:9F95:F830:F50 (talk) 02:43, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

• Krishan Kumar Tyagi, Solution Architect( Computer Science )

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Also, that article does not exist. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:08, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Prof yogesh kumar tyagi

Why even after adding link it showing red mark Yogu1711 (talk) 04:30, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Don't you think university of Delhi(du) globally holds a reputed position nd it's vice chancellor should not me a notable person ..if u cam add Anil Singh vice-chancellor of Indraprastha university than how it's tough to add prof Yogesh Kumar Tyagi into the same category? Yogu1711 (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Professor Yogesh Kumar Tyagi should be added to notable Tyagi's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyagiaman (talk • contribs) 18:37, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

So create Yogesh Kumar Tyagi if he is notable. - Sitush (talk) 18:52, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Tags

I am tagging this article with-

• WP:COI- because the article is mostly being edited by the user Ambertyagi26 and as is suggested by the username itself (Amber Tyagi) that the user may be closely associated with the subject of the article.
• WP:POV- because the user always attempts to push his caste promotional POV. Any NPOV which is anti promotional is always deleted by him.
• original research- In such edits he consider less valuable what the sources suggest, instead he manipulates the facts as he wants these to be projected.--MahenSingha (Talk) 19:49, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Free advisers

Some free advisers remove the edits as they are bloody Kings. Tyagiland (talk) 06:46, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Sir repost the earlier details of tyagi as it was vey relevant Ch Rohit tyagi (talk) 07:42, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

If you can find reliable sources then information can be added. Raj-era sources are not reliable, nor are caste-affiliated websites; newspapers are poor for history. - Sitush (talk) 09:20, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

We can not junk all the Raj-era sources, that would be akin to throwing out the "basis" and beginning of most of the modern scientific method of inquiry in India. Raj-era sources are pre-marxist-era sources that see every thing through the singular prism of class-conflict and these sources comes with their own biases, over-reliance or just favoring those is dangerous too. About the academic rigor in the Raj-era sources, those were early pioneers, they used the methods and techniques appropriate for their era, we can not apply today's yardstick. Besides, Raj-era sources used empirical as well as qualitative methods specially in case of documenting oral histories, they do not become invalid source by virtue of this alone. Currently, discourse in several Indian universities is dominated by the post-Raj-era marxist-POV scholars. For example, is a post-Raj lower citation scholarly source (e.g. with marxist-bend of kind that generally rend to rejects/erases pre-indepdence raj-documented history of tribes) better than a Raj-era source with higher citation index? Please be extremely careful. We need to scrutinise each source carefully on its merit, include or exclude with solid reason, not by a broad brush approach. About removing the edits, I have no opinion. Just keep only well and reliably sourced content without the British Raj or post-independence Marxist bias. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 12:49, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Real information is not anywhere.

Where is the real information. It is not all info. Tyagiland (talk) 06:50, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2017

Prakash Vir Shastri, former M.P. Tyagiaman (talk) 19:49, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

 Not done the list is of "Notable people bearing the Tyagi name" - Arjayay (talk) 20:05, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Please add the following text on Taga Brahmins

I arrived here because I did not know what does "Taga" mean. My research showed that they are basically Tyagi. I am unable to edit this protected article due to being an IP. I am not related to taga, bhumihar, brahmin, or any subject of this topic. Confirmed/registered editors please update the article with the following (between the lines):

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In 20th century Babhans started to self-designate as Bhumihar Brahmin or simply Bhumihar, and in Western Uttar Pradesh they self-designate as Tyagi. Tyagi, also called "Dan Tyagi" or "Taga Brahmin", claim descent from Brahmins who have taken up the proprietor-cultivation and given up the priestly dues. Converted Muslim Tyagi are considered similar in social rank as Pathans.

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Thanks. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 14:02, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2018

• Prakash Vir Shastri, M.P., Sanskrit Scholar.

Mr. Lal Krishn Advani had named one of the roads around Rashtrapati Bhavan as Prakash Vir Shastri Avenue. Tyagiaman (talk) 18:50, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:54, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Here you go. http://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/5841906. You can also do google search to verify just like how i am doing. There is a possibility you may not find what you're searching for, however, atleast try. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyagiaman (talk • contribs) 18:41, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Yet again, you are trying to use a mirror of Wikipedia as a source. It says so right near the top of that page. - Sitush (talk) 18:50, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Split

I think it'd be a good idea to split the caste-related stuff to Tyagi caste, and maintain this page as a surname list / disambig page. Thoughts? utcursch | talk 21:17, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

There used to be more content about the caste here but it was unsourced/unreliably sourced, hence how it has turned out. - Sitush (talk) 11:55, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2019

Sachin Tyagi Ransura (talk) 06:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

sachin tyagi ransura - president of "tyagi brahman seva sangh Regd.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Þjarkur (talk) 13:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2019

Sachin Tyagi Ransura (talk) 06:43, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Sachin Tyagi Ransura, President of Tyagi Brahman Seva sangh Regd.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Þjarkur (talk) 10:36, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2019

"Please change the line "Tyagi is a surname which historically belonged to the Brahmin caste" because being the part of community Tyagi's are not historically belonged to Brahmin, Tyagi's are Brahmin and this is wrong information might create the caste dispute and regional riots.Moreover your on article On bhumihar does't mention tyagi under this category.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Talk:Tyagi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhumihar Shivam5077 (talk) 13:06, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. (And on a side note, if people riot over a damn Wikipedia article, there are much bigger problems than the Wikipedia article). –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:50, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2020

This article is completely misleading and seems written by person, who don't have knowledge of this article or purposely doing a mischief. Please allow me to correct the article. Tyagi.anshuman (talk) 22:35, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. - QuadColour (talk) 01:02, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2020

Tyagi are brahmins and first tyagi was rishi parshuram 2409:4053:19A:1FD:E5F6:3FE1:7A6A:1D03 (talk) 02:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 02:36, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2020

ADD: Tyagis or Tagas are landowners of Brahmin ancestry primarily located in Western U.P., Delhi and Rohilkhand. The surname refers to the Hindi word for renouncement or abdication, indicating that they have abandoned their priestly functions. [Ref: K. S. Singh (ed.). People of India. Anthropological Survey of India 1996. pp 664-665] Wandsword (talk) 11:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:13, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

• This should be changed - During the British Raj, they changed their name from Taga to Tyagi, and began claiming Brahmin status.[3] In 1931, they were classified as a cultivating middle caste rather than as Brahmins, along with the Jats and Bhumihars:
• This should be changed to - The Tyagi people (also spelled Taga (Haryanvi pronunciation and Tyagi (Hindi pronunciation) are Ayachak Division of Aadi Gaur Brahmins. Mohyal Brahmin along with Tyagi Brahmin Of Haryana,Nambudiri of Kerala,Bhumihar Brahmins of MP, Bihar, UP is Known as Brahmrishi Community.:
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Bharatkakissan (talk) 14:51, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

References

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. I don't think this older source would be an improvement. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:53, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2021

I am Tyagi Brahmin, this page says that Tyagi are cultivators while According to History of Indian Caste says they are Brahmins in Caste.. the most upper Caste in India.. Here I am attaching Wikipedia Hindi link for ready reference, you will need to correct “Cultivators” to “Brahmin”

https://hi.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/त्यागी 2405:201:5C0A:781D:8D89:9979:1718:D907 (talk) 07:16, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Melmann 10:12, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Non British Raj Sources

I already added Non British Raj sources and can anyone clear why Raj sources are not valid ? beacuse the same sources are addes to other Brahmin pages of wiki similarly to other caste pages.Below is the source of government of haryana of backward commison page no 105. In this clearly written that Gaur/Tyagis are originally Brahmins.This source als added by the Chariotrider in previous edits by putting them as Brahmins.

This is the report of Government of Haryana :

https://books.google.co.in/books?redir_esc=y&id=aH3aAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=tyagi Avinash Vats (talk) 12:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2022

103.211.190.118 (talk) 05:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 

त्यागी सभी के बाप है

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 06:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Tyagi

त्यागी बाप है सभी के 103.211.190.118 (talk) 09:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Tyagi Origin

Check this edit : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tyagi&oldid=844542276 Above edit was done by Sitush with sources. I am following his sources from the last year people of a certian ideology vandalization the page though their sources are invalid. Avinash Vats (talk) 14:30, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

•  Administrator note I have EC protected this page in response to the ongoing edit-warring over the last month. I have also reverted the page to the pre-editwar version dated Feb 22 although it is possible that a yet older one (e.g., this one referenced above) may be a better choice. Pinging @Sitush and Chariotrider555: can you take a look ? Abecedare (talk) 04:29, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

The main difference between the two versions is whether the Taga/Tyagi's were historically Brahmins. Based on Rath (2018), the change in caste name and varna claim of the Tyagi's took place during the British Raj, as part of a wider process seen among Hindu castes that saw them changing their name and varna affiliation in the Censuses. On that grounds I think the current version should be kept. Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:57, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Tyagi was never a class of Brahmins, they follow the process of sanskritization and start claiming Brahmin status. Some mischievous editors cites psuedo sources to vandal this wikipage. Tagas even not considered as Brahmins on the ground situation.Marvel200 (talk) Pinging @Sitush, Chariotrider555, and Abecedare:

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Tyagi is Surname in Brahman Caste.Tyagi Founded by State U.P., Haryana, Uttrakhand, Rajasthan, Delhi, Madhya Pradesh 2409:4051:112:1F72:0:0:FD8:10B1 (talk) 16:10, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MadGuy7023 (talk) 19:48, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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It has been mentioned that Tyagi began claiming Brahmin status during British Raj after changing their name from Taga to Tyagi. but it should be noted that they have been mentioned as a Brahmin caste which is addicted to agriculture and ignorant about their religious duties, it is clear from those writings that Taga caste was recognised as Brahmin caste even before Census conducted by Raj took place. British Raj mistook many Brahmin castes as Khsatriya in their census. Source - HINDU CASTES AND SECTS. An exposition of the origin of the Hindu caste system and the bearing of the sects towards each other and towards other religious system ( by- JOGENDRA NATH BHATTACHARYA) Published by- Thacker, Spink And Co. 1896) Lordofthemughals (talk) 10:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 11:00, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

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it should also be noted that Report of the backward classes commission, 1990, Government of Haryana mentioned Tyagi caste as "Historically Brahmins" Lordofthemughals (talk) 10:34, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 11:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

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Parakramvashisht (talk) 09:40, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 14:51, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Tyagi are from north of Hindu Kush mountains

Tyagi are originally Brahmins which were called by janmajeya from north of the Hindu Kush mountains which is now Afghanistan, once Afghanistan was a Brahman & Buddhist dominated country thus the Brahmins called from there were gifted villages in the now ncr region of Delhi and were called Tyagi. Many Tyagi may also pass resemblence to afghani people. 103.190.8.159 (talk) 18:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Tyagis are Brahmins with relevant citations

[2]https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Census_of_India_1901/glJFAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1

Page 219 is especially relevant as it explains how the castes which are allied to brahmins includes Tyagis and Bhumihars and how they lost status as they started practicing agriculture, the status of Tyagis is unaminously acknowledged by other communities of the time as being that of atleast being somewhere between a Brahmin and Kshatriya.The name used is the old name of the community "Taga" Amber260892 (talk) 04:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)