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Set list as well as surprise songs

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Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and I am feeling the incredibly long and exhaustive set list, and especially the surprise songs listings, may violate that. Contradicting me somewhat is Music of the Spheres World Tour#Set list, but don't be surprised if all your hard work gets reduced down in edits of the future.

Also, it would be helpful if inline citations to reliable sources are provided so accuracy of details can be verified.

@Victor Perrault, could you provide sources for New Orleans N1? Commander Keane (talk) 09:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If citable, would it be possible to have an article solely for a list of the surprise songs? Theknine2 (talk) 12:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://variety.com/2024/music/news/taylor-swift-eras-tour-surprise-songs-list-1235578714/ 46.208.67.224 (talk) 09:04, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tpbradbury removed the surprise songs list in this edit. I think it is best to discuss in this section rather than fragment as the IP has already done below.
@Theknine2, I have no idea if a separate article for surprise songs is possible. I don't even know how to come to a decision on that, apart from creating it and going through a deletion discussion. I do find it interesting that Vertigo_Tour#Set_list is entirely prose. It does lack citations though. Commander Keane (talk) 09:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since you've mentioned the "Set list" section of a different tour, I think using this "Set list" format in M72 World Tour#Set list (specifically the collapsible "Songs performed on the tour" box) could be adapted for the Eras Tour surprise songs list. It conveys the information about which songs have been performed throughout the tour, while not being "indiscriminate". Theknine2 (talk) 10:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sample layout for the "Surprise songs" list format that I'm referring to:
(songs listed are only for demonstration purposes, and are not intended to be accurate)

Surprise songs
Swift performed two tracks from her discography at each show as "surprise songs" in the ninth act—the first on acoustic guitar and the second on piano. These songs have been performed as "surprise songs" throughout the tour:

TenthAvenueFreezeOut (talk) 09:02, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really think this is a good idea since Swift has performed almost every single song from her discography which are +200 songs. She also performed some featured songs like "Us", several soundtrack songs, and even songs that are not hers like "Thinking Out Loud", "Espresso", and "Please Please Please". @Ippantekina has split the set list into two sections which is a good idea and is recommended at MOS:DONTHIDE, so I see no problems at the moment. Medxvo (talk) 09:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a little disappointed in the removal of the surprise song list without a balanced discussion on why its inclusion isn't relevant and violates the "indiscriminate collection of information" rule.
I understand the concern about the surprise song list for The Eras Tour potentially being too exhaustive or violating Wikipedia’s guideline against indiscriminate information. However, I’d like to clarify why this list is both appropriate and valuable for the article, especially when considering similar articles.
Firstly, other major concert tour articles do include detailed setlist information when it’s significant to the concert experience. For example, Coldplay’s Music of the Spheres World Tour Wikipedia page includes setlist details without issue. In the case of The Eras Tour, the “surprise songs” have become a defining feature, covered extensively by reliable sources and widely recognized as part of Swift's unique way of interacting with her audience. Far from being random information, these song choices are reported in major media and contribute meaningfully to fans' and readers' understanding of the tour’s structure and appeal.
Additionally, setlists that feature rotating or surprise elements are not new for Taylor Swift tour articles. The Reputation Stadium Tour, The Red Tour, and The 1989 World Tour pages each retain lists of special songs to this date, with these elements considered a core part of Swift’s concert experience. Removing the list from The Eras Tour article would be inconsistent with the established pages within Wikipedia for her previous tours. Other notable tours, like Beyoncé’s Renaissance World Tour, even list unadvertised opening DJs who varied by city, highlighting Wikipedia’s acceptance of unique, show-specific elements when they’re important to the tour.
Finally, Wikipedia guidelines on indiscriminate information encourage relevance and context, rather than outright exclusion of detailed lists. This list of surprise songs is backed by reliable sources and provides context to a widely discussed aspect of the tour, aligning with the guideline’s intent. If length is a concern, we could creating a separate page dedicated to the surprise songs list with a brief summary in the main article.
In summary, the surprise song list is well-sourced, relevant, and aligned with both Wikipedia precedent and the guidelines on contextual information. Retaining this list adds real value for readers by showcasing a unique element of The Eras Tour that has cultural significance and strong media interest. User-173c1a65 (talk) 05:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Medxvo has restored the surprise songs list. Hopefully they will drop by soon and contribute on how to move forward - which may include a separate article. I see there is no guidance at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists of works. Maybe Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians can help?
@User-173c1a65, that was a very well written and thoughtful response (I am not being condescending, I found it interesting). However, pointing out the style of other articles (which I am guilty of) and claiming that is the global consensus can be an issue. I think relevance and context is at the moment best being achieved in the Notes section as it uses prose based on newspaper articles, music magazine articles etc. Commander Keane (talk) 22:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Currently, there are only three featured articles about concert tours and they don't have any information related to surprise songs, so there is also no real guidance from this side. I think referencing the current version of Music of the Spheres World Tour#Set list and including all of the surprise songs performed for each city for each year is a good idea, for example;
  • Miami, 2024 – "Tim McGraw", "Timeless", "This Is Me Trying", "Daylight", "Should've Said No", "I Did Something Bad", "Loml", "White Horse", "Out of the Woods", "All You Had to Do Was Stay", "Mirrorball", and "Guilty as Sin?".
This still seems long due to having mashups, but I guess it's better than the current version?
I thought about suggesting using a collpase or hidden templates, referencing U2 360° Tour#Setlist or the GA-reviewed version of Music of the Spheres, but I don't think that's a really good idea. Anyhow, MOS:DONTHIDE suggests dividing into more sections, using prose (Vertigo Tour#Set list?), or splitting. I do agree that the surprise songs "phenomena" can have its own article, but not just the "list" of the songs.
I also don't think we can reference Reputation Stadium Tour#Surprise songs, The 1989 World Tour#Surprise songs, or The Red Tour#Surprise songs, mainly because Swift has performed her +200 songs during this tour, which didn't happen before.
@Commander Keane: Let me what you think, also pinging @Ronherry: who significantly contributed to the article to let them know about the discussion and share their thoughts if they wish. Medxvo (talk) 23:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello there! I'm a major contributor to Music of the Spheres World Tour and some other users there took issue with the Highlights section just like with the Surprise Songs here. As a fan of both acts, I think these segments are notable parts of their artistry when it comes to live shows and they deserve to be preserved somehow. I like the idea of a separate page for Taylor Swift and I would be happy to make one for Coldplay to make things standardised as well. They could even include all the tours of each artist instead of an specific one! On the other hand, I'm afraid other Wikipedians might be keen to delete such articles. Feel free to ask me any Coldplay-related questions! GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 00:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agreed with this. While it is indeed exhaustive to keep on adding to the list, removing the whole list is against Wikipedia's notability guidelines. The Surprise Song is a whole topic on its own and has received so much independent coverage. I'm okay with creating a separate article for the songs, as per WP: SPLIT. ℛonherry☘ 01:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Surprise song removal

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This was a great resource and has now been removed? Please revisit this. 46.208.67.224 (talk) 09:03, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It will be discussed in the section directly above, thanks. Commander Keane (talk) 09:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 November 2024

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In the supporting acts section, METTE, a British artist hasn’t been listed, she performed in London Night 1 along with paramore. 81.110.16.133 (talk) 15:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Venue records

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Some alternations need to be made to the venue records

Vancouver: Swift is not the first act to schedule three consecutive nights at BC Place, the Jacksons did that in November 1984 as part of the Victory Tour. She will however be the first female act to schedule two and three consecutive shows and first solo act to schedule three consecutive nights.

Indianapolis: Morgan Wallen was the first act to perform two consecutive nights at Lucas Oil Stadium, earlier that year during his One Night At A Time World Tour. Swift, however, was the first female act to perform two consecutive nights and first overall act to schedule three consecutive nights. 71.32.95.70 (talk) 20:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Please provide reliable sources that support the changes you want to be made. HorrorLover555 (talk) 02:43, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Include note about surprise song mashups

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Where it says "Swift performed two tracks from her discography at each show as "surprise songs" in the ninth act" maybe could someone add that in her later shows she began mashing the first song with another song and the second song with a different song? (Obviously it can be reworded better than that)

Thanks and totally understand if no! Also my source for this is the list of surprise songs on the Wiki page itself. Carlo2026 (talk) 21:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The link on "anti-scalping" is pointing to the wrong page

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On the 3rd paragraph there's a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalping_(trading), but it should point to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticket_scalping Daniel.sousa.me (talk) 16:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 December 2024-Add list of Band, Vocalist, and Dancers to Eras Tour details-add under music and performanceCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). section

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According to the Eras Tour Book, the band consists of Max Berstein (co-band leader, guitar, keyboards, and pedal steel), Matthew Billingslea (drummer), Karina DePiano (keyboards), Amos Heller (bass and keyboard bass), Mike Meadows (co-band leader, guitar, keyboards, cello, harmonica, mandolin, background vocals) and Paul Sidoti (guitar). Taylor Swift's background vocalists consists of Jeslyn Gorman, Kamilah Marshall (background vocalist dance captain), Melanie Nyema (background vocalist section leader), and Eliotte Woodford. The Eras Tour dancers includes Amanda Balen (dance captain), Taylor Banks, Karen Chuang, Audrey Douglass, Tori Evans, Natalie Lecznar, Tamiya Lewis, Sam McWilliams, Sydney Moss, Natalie Peterson, Jan Ravnik, Kevin Schereitzbach, Raphael Thomas, Whyley Yoshimura. 104.129.207.23 (talk) 21:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 00:20, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 December 2024

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Include in the criticism or controversy section:

On opening night of the tour, Taylor performed the song Tim McGraw from her self-titled debut studio album, Taylor Swift. The following night, when it was not played, fans realized she had played it as a "surprise song" and that no songs from her first album would officially be included in the setlist. The exclusion of her first "era" from the tour, as well as only performing one song from her Speak Now album led fans to criticize Taylor for calling it "The Eras Tour" since she was not going to be including all of her eras equally. Hannahmwernick (talk) 14:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 December 2024

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Change X

  • December 6 – Vancouver: "Haunted" / "Wonderland" and "Never Grow Up" / "The Best Day"

to Y

 Already done HorrorLover555 (talk) 14:34, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 December 2024

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In the ticket section, the date for France ticket sales is wrong. Change June 11 2023 to July 11 2023. 213.245.110.129 (talk) 23:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done LizardJr8 (talk) 03:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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