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It has been proposed in this section that Royal Library of Turin be renamed and moved to Biblioteca Reale.

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Royal Library of Turin → Biblioteca Reale – Ngrams show this to be the more common name in English-language sources, and the Google Books results on which the ngrams are based show this (the library in Turin) to be the primary topic for the name Biblioteca Reale. Ham II (talk) 09:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 08:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Italy, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Libraries, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts. Ham II (talk) 19:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slight oppose. When 'the' is added to the n-grams the results are much closer. 'Royal Library of Turin' is also better understood in English on English Wikipedia, especially since the page mentions it is part of the Royal Palace of Turin (using the English name, not the Italian, for this World Heritage Site). Randy Kryn (talk) 09:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The results are closer in the second set of ngrams, but they still have "the Biblioteca Reale" ahead of "the Royal Library of Turin" by what looks to me like a comfortable margin. "[T]he Biblioteca Reale" wouldn't catch many image captions for, say, the supposed self-portrait by Leonardo da Vinci, so I think "Biblioteca Reale" is a more representative search term. Though I do now see in the bibliography in this Google Books result a book from 1990 with the title From Leonardo to Rembrandt: Drawings from the Royal Library of Turin, albeit with the publisher given as Biblioteca Reale.

The name of the World Heritage Site seems to be "Residences of the Royal House of Savoy", and that link, which is the English-language listing on UNESCO's World Heritage List, refers to the Royal Palace of Turin as both the Royal Palace and the Palazzo Reale. Ham II (talk) 09:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. WP:UE. Theparties (talk) 22:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That part of policy means "follow usage in English-language sources", not "only use English words". Ham II (talk) 07:20, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Precisely. It's sad how often UE is misunderstood as "translate everything into English". -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Native names are always preferable as long as they are commonly used in English-language sources, as this is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]