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Futurama

No mention of the episode of Futurama (Tales of Interest I think) which is based around various video games - one of the aliens/sprites (from some game I don't know) gets off a UFO and says 'All your base are belong to us...'

It is mentioned in the now-archived, seemingly endless list of media references. --BRossow 01:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

A note on the main image

I don't know how to change this, but the image of CATS talking says that AYBABTU is copyrighted. It's not. Orville Eastland 23:13, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Removed parts

Removed the following text, which seems to be a speculative digression. --Rootbeer 2002-04-04

It seems all but inevitable that the various strange urges compelling people to bind various ideas to these memes will eventually conspire to make them mean something - although most likely there will be no consensus on that meaning, and new meanings will spawn faster than old ones could be agreed on.

This part was moved to viral meme and rewritten:

A parallel is to the phrase "no problem" which means everything from "really, no problem, I've taken care of it and will completely indemnify and insure you for all risks of trusting me and against every conceivable threat to the maximum of my own ability" to "I have just sold you and your firstborn into slavery, to this nice man." Context defines the whole of the meaning, and the use of any phrase at all is perhaps to convey only a tone of voice or a choice of timing and conveyance.

this part was rewritten too in no problem

propagation via the Internet

Total number of recent edits of "AYBBTU" = 12
Total number of recent edits of "syllogism" = 1
Say's it all really... :)

, almost seeming to imply a strange alien English dictionary of their own behind the odd phrasing.

I removed the bit above. "Strange" & "odd" are redundant, "almost seeming to imply" is so nebulous as to say nothing. The above is highly subjective: "seems" is uncertain, "imply" is subject to interpretation, "almost" reduces the information content to zero. In short I could say that the sentence above certainly indicates a need for editing.  :-) --Koyaanis Qatsi

Best Usage Ever: at an anti-GMO protest, a giant mutant corncob with the caption ALL YOUR BASE PAIR ARE BELONG TO US. --Montrealais

Do you remember where and when? That could be good to have in the "AYBABTU offline" section. -- — Gwalla | Talk 22:49, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Not completely sui generis

It is to be noted that "All your base" is by no means the first piece of thoroughly opaque slang to have come to currency. In eighty years, studies of slang will likely still record exactly where the expression came from, and from what context -- but we will not be appreciably closer to understanding the original context of the 1920s slang expression, "23 skidoo". --FOo

Or even (ironically given your username) foobar and foo Jeff schiller 15:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Starcraft

I removed:

• Starcraft, which includes a map named AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs. The map consists of two landmasses, with three bases clustered on each, linked by one long, narrow isthmus.

Starcraft and the extension Starcraft Broodwar were released 1998, three years before according to the article the phrase became popular. If somebody creates a fan map, the only way it becomes important is when the map is widely used. I don't know if it is, but this was misleading anyhow. --Ados 15:38, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Extra line of dialog, as per edit?

Cats: Ha Ha Ha Ha ....
   Operator: Captain!
Captain: Take off every 'Zig'!!

Does this line of dialog exist, and if so in which version?

It's not in:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/17122.html
http://www.allyourbasearebelongtous.com/

OK, I see. That extra line spoken by "Operator" is in the original Japanese, but not in the English version.

It looks like the Japanese text was deleted because in Unicode form it screws up the formatting when comparing revisions of this talk page. I moved it to the article page.

Let's not get started on the legality of emulation, but the line "Operator: Captain!" is in fact on the Zero Wing (E) Genesis ROM. And yes, the Japanese version has some extra lines that weren't translated and/or were condensed. --GusGus 04:19, 2004 Mar 1 (UTC)

Translation

Are there any correct English translations of the Japanese text, which could be included in the article? They would be interesting to read. --Wintran 10:41, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I did the current 'correct' English tranlation for Wikipedia from the Japanese text here. Because I didn't have to think about how words would appear on the game screen, lines are longer and more descriptive. I think it makes more sense now and the sarcastic tone of the enemy, missing from the original translation is there as well.

Most of mistakes happened because Japanese is spoken with few words as possible with the great dependence on other person to judge its meaning. So if a translator simply pick words from a dictionary, the tranlated text is not going to make any sense. I think the best line to compare between translations is the line 11. Zero Wing FAQ's translators wrote "Im...impossible!" and I wrote "Damn you...!". Judging from the Japanese and the original, I think the captain had tried to say "Baka na koto wo iuna!" which in a word for a word tranlation is "What you say is stupid!". I think my translation is better here because it shows the defiance as the captain had not given up yet. --Revth 06:59, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Good job, was very interesting to read! Perhaps we could use what you said here, about the problems of translating japanese, in the article as well? --Wintran 09:01, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I've added an introductory paragraph before the translation, based on the comments here. Thank you Revth for providing this rather useful content!

One amusing thing that just occurred to me was whether the Japanese Wikipedia has/could have pages for this kind of thing - informing Japanese readers of the phenomenon of AYBABTU. Now that would be an interesting use of multilingual collaboration... --IMSoP 14:16, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Since that translation was added, a whole string of people have come along and "corrected" it. Some of those changes I simply reverted, because they did little to alter the meaning, but made the English seem somewhat stilted - spoiling the whole purpose of an unconstrained translation. However, line 11 (as mentioned above) is particularly liberal, and not knowing the Japanese, I don't know how correct Revth's justification is - is the Captain expressing defiance ("Impossible, you will never succeed!"; which Revth rendered as "Damn you...!") or merely incredulity/disbelief ("That's impossible! This can't be happening!")? At the moment, I've put in a bit of a compromise - including the word "impossible", but adding the defiant "damn you!" to make it look more like real English dialogue. Does anyone want to have an opinion on which is "better"/"more correct", or have a further idea? --IMSoP 18:00, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

I'm not a native Japanese speaker, but I do have 5 years of experience. My understanding is that the Captain is expressing only incredulity and disbelief, not defiance, in line 11.

Revth appears to have simply misunderstood the original Japanese. In line 11 the captain says, stutteringly, "ba-b-baka na!". The word "baka" is an extremely common word in Japanese, which in 90% of cases means "stupid" or "foolish". However, it also has a rarer secondary usage as an exclamation meaning "no! impossible! it can't be!" --- often omitted in smaller dictionaries --- in which case it always appears in the irregular form "baka na". Revth seems to have been unaware of this second usage, and since the form "baka na" looks like (if you don't know this irregular usage) an odd abbreviation of a longer phrase, he guessed that it must mean something like "don't say stupid things!", or "you are stupid!". So he incorrectly inferred a defiant tone in the captain.

My view is also supported by the fact that the Captain stutters in this line, and also stutters previously ("o-omae wa!") in the line when CATS arrives. He seems in turmoil, and only gets back in control of his emotions when he gives the order to launch the ZIGs. I think the "damn you!" is the result of a misunderstanding and should be removed. Perhaps CATS' "go ahead and struggle" in line 13 ought to be removed as well --- no such phrase appears in the original Japanese.

By the way, another line that appears to be a clear mistranslation is line 18, "mirai ni kibou" to "future and hope". The particle "ni" surely does not mean "and". A better translation would be "hope for the future". This is more natural English as well.

I had a few other small gripes with the translation, but they were more a question of taste. Those two seem to me clear errors which can't be ascribed to "free text"-ness. --Shibboleth 21:09, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I've been learning Japanese on my own for a few years now. A while back I romanized and translated the Japanese text to the best of my ability. Unlike the translation presented at the end of the article, which as noted was intended to capture the feel, my translation is closer to a literal meaning. I cannot guarantee that it is necessarily correct, since I am not a native speaker, nor have I had formal lessons, but I think it is correct enough to at least be considered. Would anyone like to see my efforts?

Chinglish

there should be something said about "Chinglish" the old "Good Good Study, Day Day Up" 好好学习， 天天向上

That would belong at Chinglish, not here. --DopefishJustin (・∀・) 02:16, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Origin: tribalwar?

Moved from article (no justification or expansion provided, but could be worthy if more details are given and backed up): Original AYB thread started on http://www.tribalwar.com --IMSoP 13:14, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

I remember that Tribal War's forums WERE the first spot where the AYB trend [i]really[/i] took off, but I don't know if it really deserves credit as the "first" place. The rom had been around for ages, and I'm sure people had mentioned it before. But most people do credit the Tribal War forums. Sadly, I don't think a link to that original thread exists anymore, but if one could be found, that's as relevant as any SomethingAwful link. --Golbez 03:36, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, just try a Google search: http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=24539 (2000-12-16) - the AYBABTU Timeline link at the bottom of the article has SomethingAwful doing it a month earlier. --68.167.191.5 22:14, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Bad_CRC, on the AYBABTU Video site (which really helped to kick it up) stated that Tribalwar thread as "making it great". Probably helped lead him to making the video. However, I do doubt that Tribalwar started the thing (and most or at least many people on the forums agreed last time the question was posed). As for who started it, this site seems to have the edge over both -- http://www.overclocked.org/OCzerowing.htm. (Again, linked off of Bad_CRC's site)

Escape Velocity Nova

I just noticed someone removed the entry for the Escape Velocity Nova game in the AYB references section, claiming it to be "unrelated". Well, just take a look at this screenshot. Looks like it is related indeed. The Easter egg is real, and so is the reference. It wasn't me who put that entry on the article, but it took me about one minute searching on Google to find out whether the thing is "unrelated" or not. I'm posting this here, so that you people know why I reverted the article to the last version. I did some minor changes to the entry as well. – Mackeriv 00:25, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Fine...I admit I didn't adequately check it, but the description! "Where you can see cats occasionally flying around the universe" what does that have to do with AYBABTU? --Ilyanep (Talk) 23:55, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

After reading the new revision...this is much better. --Ilyanep (Talk) 23:56, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The Easter Egg might not refer to the AYBABTU phrase directly, but it's related to the whole "AYB phenomenon" instead. If people haven't decided to keep repeating that phrase and create tons of photoshopped pics years ago, the fad would have never started... and I'm sure that little Easter Egg would have never been inserted into that game, because it is the phrase that made the world notice the existence of Zero Wing and all the little elements pertaining to it (like CATS himself). The way I see it, this article deals with the AYB phenomenon that spread out within the Internet years ago, as well as the effects of it. Not just about the opening sequence text. That's just what launched the fad. Your argument on that is still valid, but this is my opinion. =] – Mackeriv 03:45, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The song vs. the animation

A lot of things referred to as part of "the animation" are often things that happened in the song "Invasion of the Gabber Robots." There are animations floating around that say everything correctly (well, according to the intro) or have mistakes in different places and include the Operator saying "Captain!!" - they're not nearly as popular as spin offs of BadCRC's Flash to Invasion of the Gabber Robots, but they're out there. The only one I can find off hand is The Zero Wing Dub Project and the second video at the "offical" site, which was based on the Dub Project... but, still. I think the bits that talk about the mistakes in 'the Flash' (like "Someone set up us the bomb" and "Ha ha ha") should be changed to read 'in Invasion of the Gabber Robots.'

I just want to see if anyone agrees before changing this. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 18:05, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

Yuri's Revenge

This seems to be unrelated. Should it be deleted? --Qwe 16:42, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

"All your bases will belong to me" is proper grammar. Unless someone can show that it has roots in "All your base are belong to us", I think it's an entirely different statement. I, for one, think it should go. --Lebob 06:51, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I am pretty sure this line is not in Yuri's Revenge, but is however in the last Allied mission of Red Alert 2. (On the Kremlin mission, when Yuri is about to send a wave of Kirov airships.) --Ferretgames 16:35, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

How an automatic translator did at the "All your base are belong to us" speech

From http://www.1-800-translate.com/Japanese.html we get this little gem:

Christian era 2101 The fight began.

I say that on earth the captain did it how! Explosive substance seems to have been set an engineer by someone. Communication entered the captain a communication person! It is なにっ the captain! A vision comes to Maine screen a communication person. The captain || in front of おっお! Restless だ sleeps CATS, and it is you. All CATS had your base by cooperation of the federal government force CATS. Your warship will be the end CATS soon, too. The captain || ばっばかなっ! CATS thanks your cooperation. CATS prize to the utmost small amount of life. CATS || ハッハッハッハッハッ: A communication person || the captain. It is a departure order in all ZIG planes the captain! The captain cannot but already entrust them. The captain || in our future || hope: The captain asks. ZIG!

Hmmm. --204.52.215.107 05:30, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Spelling correction needed

At present the article includes the text "The method used was nefarious and viscious." I presume that should be either "vicious" or "viscous", but neither makes much sense, so I'm not sure to what to correct it.

Hmm... that whole paragraph looks to me like it was added by said "men aged 16 and 17", who clearly thought they were being very funny and clever indeed!!!1!1!oneoneone. I've trimmed it right down to bare "facts", but unless someone can find an external reference to back up the bit about closing the school, I'd say it can be removed altogether as not particularly notable (we already mention "...graffiti on various structures..."). --IMSoP 20:56, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Time Cover

Wasn't there a issue of Time magazine that featured Cats on the cover, and an article about AYB? Or was that photoshopped? --AndrewNeo 18:31, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That was photoshopped. -- — Gwalla | Talk 23:25, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The cover with CATS on it was made up, but the AYB phenomenon really came out on the Time Magazine, some years ago I think. The had a tiny note about it, I heard. That's official. --Kaonashi 03:32, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Invader Zim reference to AYBABTU?

Just now, someone from IP address 69.152.233.64 added this to the article:

"In Invader ZIM, Episode "Walk of your lives" When in the crater, GIR says “What you say?” to Zim."

Aside from putting it in the "video games that have referenced AYB" section (it's a cartoon), I wasn't sure if this was true or not. I lost track of Zim some after the first season, so I don't remember this episode; I think it's actually supposed to be "Walk for Your Lives", after doing a futile Google search looking for a transcript. Can another Zim fan confirm this?

Yeah, it is. All transcripts can be found at the [scareymonkeyshow.com scareymonkeyshow.com], by the way. --Random Zim Fan

Also, I do remember an old guy saying "What he say?" in the episode with the stealth mech that cloaked everything but its pilot. It was right after GIR got some power from the old folks' home. It may or may not be an AYB reference, but it kind of sounded like it. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 06:16, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

Well, it might not be a reference as the song Hit The Road Jack also contains "What you say?" --KnightofNEE

Look, everyone. The Zero Wing translation says "What you say" without question marks, but with exclamation points, and is meant perhaps to say "What you say is unbelievable!"

Source: Something Awful forums

The phenomenon of Photoshopping "All your base" began in the General Bullshit forum at Something Awful. The original thread [in october/november of 2000] simply had the title "All Your Base Are Belong to Us" with the entire first post being "on the table". The first actual photoshop was simply a screen capture from "Alf" with a speech bubble on it.

Tribalwar picked it up in early 2001, they actually were leeching a lot of the images from the SA folks at first. Some clever use of .htaccess and a few disgusting substitute images put a stop to that.

That may be true, but without any substansive evidence I can't insert it. Many SA members claim this to me but have never offered any real evidence. I don't want to sound like a hardass, but SA's not the only notable forum online. --Etaonish 06:14, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

How about this, or this?

Quote: "Summer 2000: The forums at Something Awful start to get infected. The .gif is in at least one person's signature. It gets posted with some regularity in various threads. A few people link back to the dub."

Quote: "December 16, 2000: Tribal War's thread begins. As this is one of the oldest remaining threads, they are often mistakenly given credit for starting the phenomeon."

--Trampled ^talk 16:30, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. Barring evidence to the contrary, I'll re-add the SA reference, though as you must know, it's impossible to say for sure where any meme starts on the internet. So when I edit it, I'll say something like "It is believed that one of the first" blahblahblah. I'll try to do that tomorrow at the latest. --Etaonish 01:26, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

The SA thread was actually titled "ALL YUOR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!", probably because of the popularity of JeffK-style misspellings at SomethingAwful at the time, but was deleted by a rogue moderator some time in late 2000 or early 2001. There used to be an archive of the first two pages somewhere, but it seems to be gone now. Many of the AYB images that eventually ended up in the Tribalwar thread were originally posted in the SA thread.

In fact, http://allyourbase.planettribes.gamespy.com/windows.shtml shows an image with the "yuor" misspelling and suggests that a good number of the pictures posted by bad_CRC and others on tribalwar were taken directly from the SomethingAwful thread.

The Laziest Men on Mars were also deeply tied to SomethingAwful, with JRR being one of the most active posters on the forums and creating several other SA-themed tracks in addition to the AYB one.

A bit late for valentine's

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Presidents

I would love to see a president yell "all your base are belong to us" on an election or something. That would give him some votes... --Ice Cream Reaver 23:29, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That wouldn't be proper English .... making it just perfect for Bush! :) --Marc NL 22:38, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Internet Meme?

It says in this article that 'All your base are belong to us' is meme. Saying it is a meme presupposes the existence of memes which is POV information.

See Internet phenomenon(talk page).

See Meme (talk page). --Maprovonsha172 23:42, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

You are slapping a NPOV label for that?! Pardon my incredulity, but meme appears twice on the page- first as a category, which as has been explained to you elsewhere is not POV since the word is widely used, and secondly in a phrase to the effect (I'm paraphrasing here) that 'some people see "All your base" as an example of a meme' which ought to be neutral enough even for an anti-meme zealot like you. I'm removing the label in lieu of a *real* NPOV violation. I'd appreciate everybody else's comments as well. --maru 23:49, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Completely asinine and stupid. Beyond, in fact. Removal supported. --FCYTravis 04:30, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Starcraft

There is a game (PC) (Can't remember which game though, sorry, I know it was a rts though) has at least two of these phrases as cheats for the game. --Anonymous

Probably not StarCraft, both that and the expansion were released in '98. --Alex12 3 05:20, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Warcraft III. Starcraft was close (same developer). The two cheats referencing the phrases are:

AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs - Instant victory

SomebodySetUpUsTheBomb - Instant defeat

Spotting On Rail Trail Bridge...

I live in the same town that the bridge in the article is in. I want to know where the alleged "grafitti" Of the phrase is located. I've seen it walking over and in a boat under, but it does not seem to be present. Please add on to this comment if you have any information whatsoever, thanks a ton. --Dhpc_Raptor 21:08, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Chrono Trigger?

Under the entry of games referencing AYB:

In Chrono Trigger, Ayla says "What you say?!" as part of her dialogue when first meeting the rest of the party.

Chrono Trigger came out in 1995, well before the AYB meme. Ayla is a cavewoman in the game, and her method of speaking is reflective of that. I don't think this is a true reference. (Unsigned comment by User:199.94.221.169)

I agree with 199.94.221.169 about the English Chrono Trigger translator(s) was trying to imply primitive language speaking abilities not AYBAB2U. The consensus is that the meme fad started in 2001+. I removed it. --Chill Pill Bill 00:47, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Manual text

What is allegedly the manual text for Zero Wing's introduction has been posted on Slashdot here; however, Slashdot itself is hardly a reliable source of information. If this can be confirmed, should it be added to the main node, given that it provides (slim) background on Cats? --152.78.190.242 29 June 2005 13:15 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a section on the backlash to this stupid craze, or at least some recognition of the criticism that it's incredibly nerdy? -Dan-oh --163.1.167.63 1 July 2005 13:33 (UTC)

Wording isues regarding "Bomb the US"

The following phrase seems to contain weasel words:

"Another interesting thing is that (according to some people) 'Zero Wing' may had even predicted 9/11 since reading the phrase "Somebody set up us the bomb" backwards, reveals the sentence "Bomb the US, upset somebody"."

Can anybody cite a source for this so that we can avoid the phrase "according to some people" or a variant? --InformationalAnarchist 21:46, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

I already reverted this addition, before seeing this talk entry. I can't imagine how it could be true, without perverting the meaning of "predicted." --Coneslayer 21:50, 2005 July 13 (UTC)

Is that a timeline issue? This may be worthy of discussion in the article, if only to debunk the hypothesis. --InformationalAnarchist 21:52, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

What I mean is, that for the statement to be true, one of the game programmers would have had to have known that the attacks were going to happen, and for that reason put the cryptic, reversed message in the game. Otherwise, it's not a prediction, just a coincidence. The notion that a Japanese game programmer had foreknowledge of the attacks is preposterous to me, but I'm not making anything as strong as a timeline argument, no. --Coneslayer 21:55, 2005 July 13 (UTC)

In that case, there's no reason why a reversion was necessary. These are points that could be explored in the main article. --InformationalAnarchist 21:57, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. If I add "Some people think Bush is the offspring of a lemur and an espresso machine" to his article, should that be reverted, or should counterarguments be added? The claim added to this article is preposterous, not controversial. For similar notions, see the talk page for The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything about two-centage and people adding random, unsupported theories. --Coneslayer 22:02, 2005 July 13 (UTC)

I agree with you about erratic nonsense claims deserving to be removed by reversion, but is this just an erratic claim? Have we checked to see how widespread this rather cockeyed "theory" actually is? If it isn't just one person's deluded omen-mongering, then we might be able to help people think more rationally about it if we explore the idea. Of course, if it is just a crackpot conspiracy, then reversion is the obvious choice. --InformationalAnarchist 23:04, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

My (admittedly brief) Google check [1] came up with less than a screenful of pages, mostly or entirely blog entries and not seriously proposing a conspiracy theory (more of a "hey, check this out" kind of thing). If someone can demonstrate that this is a seriously held theory (by more than a nutcase or two), then by all means I would support its inclusion and counterarguments. Heck, if someone just wants to point it out and say it's a coincidence, well, I still don't think it's that important or relevant, but I probably wouldn't go out of my way to delete it, either. It's mostly the claim that it "predicted" the attacks that I take issue with. --Coneslayer 00:09, 2005 July 14 (UTC)

Wikipedia AYB

I saw a graphic somewhere of a Wikipedia all your base. I will try to find it. --Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:32, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Here it is. --Zscout370 (Sound Off) 06:50, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

((copyvio image removed Gmaxwell 23:41, 7 January 2006 (UTC)))

If a company that holds a copyright no longer exists, what happens with regard to copyright restrictions? --BRossow 00:05, 8 January 2006 (UTC)'

What! --Maru 15:06, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

What you say !!

Release of Zero Wing in N. America?

I have a question here: the AYB article says "Zero Wing was never released in North America, and therefore never came to the Sega Genesis, the North American Mega Drive." However, the Zero Wing article claims the exact opposite: "The console version of Zero Wing was released in North America for the Sega Genesis (Mega Drive)". Does anyone know which is in fact correct? Lensovet 06:52, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

I think it was just released in Mexico and South America.

Should the transcript be exact?

1. Should be "exact" as the ending transcript is later in the article, in all caps? 2. Is there really a comma in the first line (Narrator: In A.D. 2101, war was beginning)? Or should it be two seperate lines, like in the animation? Bayerischermann 00:41, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Idiom

AYBABTU as an idiom? [2] -- Zondor 15:08, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Fahrenheit 9/11

In Fahrenheit 9/11, someone screams: "What happen!" during the war-part of the film. Is this legit? Where in the movie is this? It could very easily be unintentional if it's real-life footage. M.C. Brown Shoes 10:27, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

High quality remix?

Planet Tribes flash animation has a nice dance remix of AYB. I've tried to find a high quality version of this song, but could only find other, not so good, ones. Does such a version exist or is the flash animation the only source for it ? --Hdante 14:04, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

The song is "Invasion of the Gabber Robots" by The Laziest Men on Mars. It was on MP3.com until MP3.com shut down in 2003. --Damian Yerrick (all your base are belong to me) 03:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)