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I'd like to improve the referencing of this article, which sorely needs it. Would anyone object if at the same time I change the reference format to list-defined? Otherwise, I'll probably do so in a day or two. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 14:04, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There have been repeated efforts to make the claim here that this is the oldest academy of art in Italy or the world or whatever, most recently with the addition of a useful new source, the Beni Culturali, (thank you!) which however did not say anything of the sort. Can we get this clear: this institution was founded in 1873. It could not possibly be the oldest art academy in Italy, let alone the world. The "new" statutes of the Compagnia di San Luca of Rome apparently date from 1478, which is four hundred years earlier: many art academies were founded between then and 1873, including that of Florence in 1784. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:28, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Can we get clear the predessors of the institution were founded Nel 1339 l’Accademia delle Arti del Disegno era la più antica del mondo. Nel 1563 fu denominata Accademia e Compagnia dell’Arte del Disegno e aveva finalità di tutela e supervisione sull’intera produzione artistica del Principato Mediceo., 1563 that's what the article says.
@User:Justlettersandnumbers, I do not know who you are and what skills have, but is doing a disservice to history and art history. The Academy of Art and Design has never been founded in 1873. The reform of 1873 was written on the basis of the law Scialoia and resumed a difference already in force by the statutes of 1861 with the division between pedagogical institution and college professors (can also see that the catalog of the gallery published in 1865 is called the Academy of Art and Design). The Academy of 1873 is not another institution as you think, but it's the same. Many are the essays and books where you can read about this including the last volume on Academies maintained by the Ministry (Heritage Academies of Fine Arts), and proof of this is that the conference organized by the Ministry in Naples on the same subject has seen the 'opening of prof. Luigi Zang as president of the oldest academy in the world. This is because in 1563 there were only medieval companies including those of Florence (1339) and Rome (1478). None was ever created by a public authority with public purposes and connections between images and power. the Accademia di San Luca was founded only 10 years later, for example Would you please refrain from wanting to keep changing historical data, including the name of the Secretary-General that it is Wanda Butera as you can read on www.aadfi.itAccademia (talk) 16:18, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The Accademia di San Luca was not founded 10 years later in 1573. Though there is the date of 1577, this refers to the Compagnia di San Luca and a so-called Accademia del Dissegno. We don't get publication on Federico Zuccaro's educational program planning (which happened at the onset of the academy) until 1607, and the Accademia di San Luca held it's first session on November 14th, 1593 when Zucarro gave his inaugural speech as the first president of the institution. Matthijs Jonker's book The Academization of Art provides evidence for this based on documents in the Accademia di San Luca archives on page 18. PersianaAmericana23 (talk) 15:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
