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For instructions on how to nominate an article, see Template:DYK nomination header § Instructions for nominators.
"Template:Did you know nominations" redirects here. For the list of approved nominations, see Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
October 18 1 1
October 28 1
October 31 1 1
November 1 3 1
November 2 2
November 4 2 2
November 5 1
November 7 1 1
November 8 1
November 10 1 1
November 13 1 1
November 15 1
November 16 2 2
November 17 1
November 18 1
November 19 3
November 21 5 4
November 22 3
November 24 2 2
November 25 3 3
November 26 4 2
November 27 3 2
November 29 7 5
November 30 4 4
December 1 4 3
December 2 5 4
December 3 7 6
December 4 7 7
December 5 10 9
December 6 9 8
December 7 9 9
December 8 9 9
December 9 8 8
December 10 4 1
December 11 8 8
December 12 7 6
December 13 11 7
December 14 12 11
December 15 9 8
December 16 3
December 17 2
December 18 3
December 19 3
December 20 8
December 21 3
December 22 6
December 23 5
December 24 4
December 25 4
December 26 5
December 27 2
December 28 4
December 29 1
December 30
Total 226 136
Last updated 05:35, 30 December 2024 UTC
Current time is 07:40, 30 December 2024 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators

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If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing. Further information can be found at the DYK guidelines.

Nominate an article

Frequently asked questions

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Because of WP:DYKTIMEOUT, a nomination should be reviewed within two months since the reviewer/promoter may agree to reject and close an unpromoted hook after that time has passed.

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.


Instructions for reviewers

Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.
  • After the nomination is approved, a bot will automatically list the nomination page on Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures

How to promote an accepted hook

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
  1. Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: .
  2. Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
    • Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
  3. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
  4. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
  5. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
  6. Hook should make sense grammatically.
  7. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
  8. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.

Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)

  1. For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
    • Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
  2. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
    • Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
    • Check that there's a bold link to the article.
  3. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
  4. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
  5. Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
    • At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
  6. Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources:

  • To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on September 27

Articles created/expanded on October 18

Articles created/expanded on October 24

Articles created/expanded on October 25

Articles created/expanded on October 28

Chromakopia

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  • ... that the physical version of Chromakopia contains an extra song?
  • ... that Tyler's album-related truck could be seen in Tyler?
    • 5x expanded by MontanaMako (talk).
    • Reviewed:
    Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    MontanaMako (talk) 21:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @Narutolovehinata5; just added a new one. Is it any better? MontanaMako (talk) 16:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 16:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Will leave the decision to another reviewer, but it's better than the original. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 18:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    New reviewer needed. Z1720 (talk) 15:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • @MontanaMako: Page is new enough and long enugh, nominator QPQ exempt, hook fact checks out. I can't approve yet, as I need a citation on Music critics characterized Chromakopia as an early midlife crisis album revolving around the concerns young adults have over their newfound adulthood. Its protagonist, St. Chroma, is introduced on the opening track of the same name. ALT1 is the only way this gets done possibly with a different wording (as an option): Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT1a: ... that trucks in Tyler promoted Tyler's latest album?
    Placing a DYK? icon to indicate that a review has been done. Flibirigit (talk) 06:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MontanaMako: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:20, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: I’m sort of a Wikipedia newbie, so I’m a bit confused. Do you need me to find a source for the sentence given or need me to do something else? MontanaMako (talk) 14:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, that's exactly what I need.--Launchballer 13:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: Does this work? https://www.cbs19.tv/article/news/local/tyler-the-creators-chromokopia-trucks/501-83205b40-206b-4f58-9cae-eded00c34b5b. MontanaMako (talk) 17:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MontanaMako: Apologies for not responding to this earlier. That reference redirects to a YouTube channel.--Launchballer 16:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: Here’s a new one: https://www.ketk.com/news/local-news/trucks-promoting-new-tyler-the-creator-album-spotted-in-tyler/. MontanaMako (talk) 18:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think that verifies the contents of those two sentences.--Launchballer 20:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 31

    Details Cannot Body Wants

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    • ... that Singapore's first R-rated play was performed despite the police finding it "offensive"?
    Created by Imbluey2 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 06:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: @Imbluey2: Article is new enough. Hook is interesting. I made a few minor copyedits to the article. The article doesn't actually say anything about how the police were involved, so that should be added. The reader will be looking for the police connection. Also, the copyvio detector is at violation possible 49.5% with one of the sources, so some of the stuff highlighted in red there will need to be revised first. Just one more minor thing, I don't think Singapore needs to be bolded in the hook. I think it looks better as "that Singapore's first R-rated play was performed despite the police finding it "offensive"?" Nice work on the article! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The nominator hasn't edited in a few days and didn't respond to the above. Asking if fellow Singaporean DYK regulars Kingoflettuce or ZKang123 can help out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Imbluey2: Please respond to the above. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, I didn't receive the ping for some odd reason. Anyways, should I just add a footnote in the article explaining that the Entertainment licensing unit is now part of the police? I'll change the stuff that (potentially) violates copyright.
    That will work but I think it would be better if the police part was added to the actual body in prose instead of just footnoted. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Added it. As for the potential copyright violations, I don't know if I can decrease it much since the texts that are in "violation" are either common phrases or quotes from different sources. But I'll try Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 12:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @WikiOriginal-9:?
    Looks like the copyvio tool still doesn't like some of that stuff. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @WikiOriginal-9: got it to 38.7%, which isn't considered a violation. Do you want me to decrease it further? Also, do you think the hook should have an image of the cast? It's in the article as external media but I believe it qualifies under WP: NFC
    That still seems a tad high unfortunately. Could you reword stuff a little more and get it to under 20%? Also, only fully-free images are allowed on the main page. Non-free images are not allowed there. Thanks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @WikiOriginal-9: done. Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 03:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Imbluey2: That looks good now. Approving the hook. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on November 1

    Tel al-Sultan attack

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    • Reviewed:
    Improved to Good Article status by Personisinsterest (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Personisinsterest (talk) 12:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Smallangryplanet (talk) 09:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a DYK, I would prefer either ALT1 or ALT3 as a better alternative to the suggested DYK, simply because, in warfare, all sides make use of weapons supplied to them by other countries, and sometimes innocent lives are taken away inadvertently by these weapons. Furthermore, the article goes on to suggest that there was in proximity to the camp a weapons' storage facility.Davidbena (talk) 08:32, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Full review needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:21, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • Dune (Kenshi Yonezu song)

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    Created by Tokisaki Kurumi (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 09:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Hook is interesting and true,

    I made a small copy edit but beyond that the content is fine, earwig has less then 10% overlap. QPQ not need congrats on your first DYK! Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @OlifanofmrTennant: Thanks! But it seems the DYK template not working well? ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 18:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tokisaki Kurumi, OlifanofmrTennant, and Crisco 1492: Pulled per WT:DYK on WP:DYKFICTION grounds; as neither ALT0 or ALT2 meet WP:DYKINT (something's going to be slowest and there's no way that it's unusual for a music video to score that many views), new hook needed.--Launchballer 15:19, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: Well, I really didn't realize that 1 million wasn't that noteworthy, so how about something similar to "its music video was the fastest original Vocaloid music video to reach a million views on Niconico at the time"? Or something related to the fact that the author has a personal feeling about Niconico, such as "feeling the desert-like atmosphere of Niconico and it's so much different from before, so he composed this song"? (Note these hooks are not polished yet) ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 19:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I added ALT3 and ALT4 (With the ALT2 mod, I think the BPM is actually an interesting point, since other music tends to have 180BPM to 200BPM then) according to the community reponses. @DYK admins: I'm not familiar with the DYK process, can I trouble one of you to help review it (both content and process)? ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 18:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Launchballer: for comment. TSventon (talk) 11:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The speed hooks rely on knowing what BPM is. The problem with running a hook about the song's subject matter is that he could conceivably have written it about anything, which I would argue goes against the spirit of WP:DYKFICTION.--Launchballer 13:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What about the other hook? ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 15:32, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What other hook? I've assessed ALTs 2, 3, and 4.--Launchballer 15:49, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oops, I thought those texts following were commenting on BPM. ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 17:28, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: I thought about it for a while, and then I did come up with another rather interesting (at least to me) hook again. Please check! ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 10:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Per WP:DYKINT, hooks need to be "likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic". What ALT5 ultimately boils down to is 'guy sings own song', which is uneventful.--Launchballer 15:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: Hi. Sorry for the late reply. I've checked the DYKs during November, and I personally can't agree with this reductionism. For example, "Talk Talk (Charli XCX song)" on November 6, if you look at it that way, it's just "somebody wrote this song to reflect an experience". Another example, "Nobody Knows (Shawn Mendes song)" on October 30th is just "recorded after a difficult time". Besides, if you really think I'm wrong about this, a suggestion about the direction would really be appreciated. ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 14:02, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Following people into a toilet is inherently intriguing, although I do note that George Daniel's uplift was more than the song's. (Not complaining, as I wrote that article.) "Tough night" did poorly.--Launchballer 14:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: Wait, while saying that I'm mimicking the idea as you see fit - would you think it would be better to change "the theme of the song" to something like "be made after reviewing what's going on in Niconico?" ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 15:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll assess a hook. I will say that I hadn't heard of Niconico before this and so a hook based on it is likely to be less accessible to a broad audience.--Launchballer 15:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This needs a new hook.--Launchballer 02:28, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: As the nominator has had difficulties in proposing a new hook, and you focus on music-related articles, would you be willing to assist here and propose a new hook or two? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT6: ... that the Kenshi Yonezu song "Dune" sparked a heated debate?--Launchballer 13:51, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: I think it's fine, but maybe it could be expanded? Like, "sparked a heated debate in the fan community of the singing voice synthesizer software Vocaloid". ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 17:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Shorter hooks are typically much more successful; see WP:DYKTRIM. You might get away adding with "in the Vocaloid fan community".--Launchballer 17:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: All right then. Would you mind me adding this hook to it? ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 18:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure, although I can't approve my own hook.--Launchballer 12:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: Well, what to do next? ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 11:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Someone else needs to review that hook.--Launchballer 13:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: I know about this, but do I need, for example, forwarding this to somewhere? ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 16:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You don't need to do anything else, although some editors like to post at WT:DYK requesting a review.--Launchballer 16:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on November 2

    Eastern Venus

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    Eastern Venus at Kobe
    Eastern Venus at Kobe
    • ... that on the ship Eastern Venus (pictured), the "Modern" suite is not in modern style?
    "The largest cabins onboard Pacific Venus are 4 Royal Suites (65 m2) located behind the bridge, named "Archaic" (1001), "Modern" (1002), "Elegant" (1003), "Noble" (1004). They are decorated in two styles, with "Modern" and "Archaic" in traditional Japanese style, "Noble" and "Elegant" being more contemporary."
      • Reviewed:
    Created by Memer15151 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    UserMemer (chat) Tribs 21:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    I have removed the aforementioned self-published sources and found better citations; all unsupported claims were removed. In addition, I removed "Castles of the Seas" as it is obviously self-published too. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 22:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kingoflettuce: Please address the above.--Launchballer 02:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Apologies for the late response! It looks better, although a lot of the material still hinges on primary sources like VesselFinder. Apart from Cruise Industry News, do we have more reliable "third-party" coverage? At the same time, I'm not sure how picky one ought to be with cruise-related articles, so I think I could pass this if there really isn't anything else. Best, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on November 4

    Peanut (squirrel)

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    Created by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 256 past nominations.

    Launchballer 22:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    ALT1... that the death of a squirrel named Peanut was a Republican rallying cry in the last days before the 2024 United States presidential election? Source: Washington Post Thriley (talk) 20:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Grammar! "a" squirrel Johnbod (talk) 21:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    ALT2... that Peanut the squirrel was taken from his home by New York State and euthanized soon after? Johnbod (talk) 21:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Oh, that squirrel... I followed this when it was at ITN and in the pre-election hullaballoo. Article is new enough and long enough. Hook facts are all cited and interesting, though my preference is for ALT0. Earwig flags a fair bit, but they seem to be properly attributed quotes. Good to go.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • I'd appreciate it if the alt1 hook runs. Far more consequential than making money for the owner. It was the hook I was going to use as the article creator before this drive by nomination was made. Thriley (talk) 21:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe it's me being tired of American politics, but going with a politics-related angle feels cheap at this point. It's like all those previous hooks about COVID: just because a hook is about COVID or US politics does not automatically make it interesting, especially when there's oversaturation both on and off-Wikipedia. Endorsing ALT0 instead as more likely to get readership interest, especially to those not interested in politics. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Due to concerns raised at WT:DYK, the nomination has been pulled for now. Consensus is leaning against ALT1 (the promoted hook); however, a concern has been raised that ALT0 (the hook consensus was leaning in favor of) may not be accurate or supported, and thus may need revision. The discussion did not discuss ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:09, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My bad, I changed the Express Tribune and New York Post with the Telegraph and misread it. The sentence now ends with just the Express Tribune. Should be supported now.--Launchballer 23:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think ignoring a citation to an in-depth article from a reliable source and instead using a four paragraph summary of a NYPost article from a random Pakistani newspaper which doesn't actually reflect the source just for the sake of a DYK hook is what editors should be doing. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I skimmed WP:RSN for "Express Tribune" and saw nothing of concern nor any indication in the article it came from the New York Post, but I've put the Telegraph back. Hmm, "helped steer viewers to its owner's OnlyFans account", cited to Vanity Fair...--Launchballer 16:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Apologies, I've been out of it the last few days. ALT3: ... that a squirrel helped steer viewers to its owner's OnlyFans account?--Launchballer 15:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Clifton House School, Harold Styan

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    Created by Storye book (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 110 past nominations.

    Storye book (talk) 11:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • I'm not yet sure if I will give this a full review, so I'll just leave this as a comment for now. Although the angle provided meets DYKINT, I have reservations if it meets the guidelines. For one, both hooks may need a trimming (it might be better to focus on the "two attackers were knocked out" angle alone without mentioning the gymnast or music hall clauses). More importantly, I'm not sure if the hooks as currently written meet WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE, specifically the part about avoiding writing hooks where the bolded article is only tangentially related to the main hook fact (the hooks seem to be more about Styan than the school itself). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • ALT0 is 155 characters. According to the link you provided about trimming, it is ideal length.
    • ALT1 is 180 characters. Being 180 characters is not a trimming issue by itself.
    • Styan was a big part of that school, as can be seen in the article. There is plenty of material about him in the article, because he was a big presence there. If our readers click on the bold link, they will read more about Styan there than anywhere else online. Therefore he is relevant to the hook.
    • Meanwhile I'll go and find an extra hook or two, anyway. Storye book (talk) 10:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • ALT2: ... Clifton House School formed a scout pack which received an award from Lord Baden Powell for "best pack the United Kingdom"? Source: Neesam, Malcolm (26 February 1999). "Lord Baden Powell on the Stray". Harrogate Advertiser and Weekly List of the Visitors. p. 7 col.4. Retrieved 30 October 2024 – via British Newspaper Archive. "Lord Baden Powell was in Harrogate for the special purpose of presenting Peter's Pole to the Clifton House School Pack, which had won the award of best pack in the United Kingdom, an exceptional commendation".
    • ALT0a: ... that sports teacher Harold Styan of Clifton House School played the music halls when young, and knocked out two attackers in his old age? Source as above
    • ALT0b: ... that Clifton House School's sports teacher Harold Styan played the music halls when young, and knocked out two attackers in his old age? Source as above Storye book (talk) 11:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One issue is that, while not an official rule or guidelines, it is usually discouraged to mention people without articles by name in hooks. I'm not sure how strict that practice is, but it's been brought up many times in the past. In any case, it might be necessary to remove Styan's name from the hooks. As for the trimming part, the wording I had was something like "... that a Clifton House School sports teacher knocked out two attackers in his old age?", which is more straightforward. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think your suggestion is appropriate, because this was an expensive private school, and Styan had the Order of the British Empire for his youth work. In other words, he was a hero and teacher, not a gangster. The hooks that I gave suggest that he was a complicated and interesting character, but your hook suggests that he might be just some kind of felon or that he ultimately developed dementia. If there is no specific rule against using his name, then I don't see why we should remove it. However I shall look at that section of the article and see whether there is enough there to make Styan into a separate article, then the hooks will have his name in lights, and this nom will be a double nom. Storye book (talk) 16:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Update. I am separating the two articles, but it will take a day or two. Thank you for your patience. Please note that the Harold Styan link is currently a redirect to Clifton House School. I shall correct that when I publish his article. Storye book (talk) 18:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not a rule that's formally codified and thus not in the guidelines, but I remember it being discouraged before. I think Theleekycauldron might know about it. In any case, if the hook becomes a double nom then that particular issue becomes moot. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    see WP:DYKG#C1 theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not sure what you are referring to, Leeky, but the redirect is temporary on this page as explained above, and not intended for publication on the Main Page. I have nearly finished Styan's own page, and hope to publish today or tomorrow (when the redirect will resolve to a direct link). Thank you for your patience. Storye book (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sounds good to me! :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: New enough, long enough. Hook facts are cited; I prefer ALT1. Earwig shows no issues. No image included with hooks.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on November 5

    Oasis (Minecraft clone)

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    Created by Johnson524 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Loytra (talk) 13:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Comment The disambiguation is incorrect - if this is considered a video game, then per WP:NCVGDAB it should be (2024 video game) instead (since there is already a 2005 video game of the same name). That said, I am not sure I would consider it a video game, given that it does not work according to anything but dream logic, and is more of a vague approximation of a game. Therefore, (simulation) or (AI simulation) could be a better disambiguation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • If it's not clear exactly what Oasis is, then why would the disambiguation be considered incorrect? The software is most notable for being a clone of Minecraft, surely that should be mentioned in the title for clarity sake? Hell, half the time it's referred to as "AI Minecraft" rather than its actual name. Loytra (talk) 01:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • It is incorrect because "Minecraft clone" is overly specific and therefore goes against disambiguation guidelines. It is like using (black dog with long fur and floppy ears) instead of (dog). It must be made more broad, whether by calling it "video game" or "simulation". Furthermore, calling it a "clone" may in fact be incorrect. It is literally Minecraft, as played by interpreting the game through an AI, whereas "clone" is typically used to describe games that are similar to, but not identical to another. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • Most of the sources referenced in the article describe it as a "version of Minecraft" or simply "AI-generated Minecraft". It really isn't commonly referred to as "Oasis"; I don't think most people would recognise the software if it was under the title "Oasis (2024 video game)" or "Oasis (simulation)". Imo it has to have "Minecraft" in the title. I know naming conventions are pretty strict but I'd almost argue that this is an WP:IAR situation. Loytra (talk) 11:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            • I can confidently say it's not an IAR situation. After looking at the sources more, I am convinced that (AI model) is the best DAB for this as it is first and foremost a model that can be "played" using a game interface. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. I don't think arguing over the title should block this from DYK. Only truly egregiously wrong titles would cause that kind of problem, and the current title is clearly not that bad - as noted, the COMMONNAME is something like "AI Minecraft". (And I don't think the case is as open-and-shut as Zxc thinks it is, either.) Zxc, you should file a WP:RM and see what the community thinks IMO. SnowFire (talk) 19:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree. Its now time to keep discussion in this template related to DYK reviews and any discussion about the name of this article, should take place via an RM and any discussion about improving this article should take place at the relevant talk page. Article titles are outside the scope of a DYK review. side note: sounds like I'm a forum moderator at this point JuniperChill (talk) 16:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    A reviewer is needed for this nomination. Z1720 (talk) 15:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    • Adequate sourcing: No - Forbes Sites is not a reliable source per past consensus; Decrypt Media seems a bit borderline, but regardless of reliability the link needs to not be directly to the CEO's article. Backdash seems to be a how-to website, so also in need of replacement. 80 Level seems to be a clickbait outlet for a jobs hiring platform.
    • Neutral: Yes
    • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Unknown
    • Other problems: No - See above on sourcing.

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: No - Forbes Sites cannot be used for the citation. ALT2 (sourced to BoingBoing) is acceptable.
    • Interesting: Yes
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Sourcing needs serious work. Once resolved, ALT2 should be good to go. SounderBruce 02:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You pinged me on my talk page @SounderBruce: but this is not my nomination, I just created the article. I can take over the nomination if you'd like @Loytra: but that'd be up to you. Johnson524 03:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Apologies, I didn't notice the separate byline here. SounderBruce 03:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @SounderBruce: Since the concerns were sourcing based and not hook based, I figured it'd be fine do finish them. Good catch on Forbes, it has been removed from the article. As an added bonus, while finding alternative sourcing for Forbes in the article, I stumbled across a few instances of copyediting-gone-wrong, where the correct sources citing some sentences were accidently removed and replaced with the wrong citation. Those instances have been corrected as well! The Decrypt Media link has been fixed, and some of the wording on the about page for 80 Level did seem pretty concerning, hinting at little editorial oversight, and has likewise been removed. I am a little hesitant to remove the Backdash source though, as it appears to be a website dedicated publishing gaming articles, does not claim to be a blog, and has credited authors. I really don't see what the issue is. Do you think this DYK can pass now? Cheers! Johnson524 04:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh, I was asking if there's been clarity regarding what the article's title should be. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: Oh sorry for the late reply, I completely forgot to respond earlier 😅 Since nobody has raised concerns over the article's title recently, I believe the current title is suitable, also because while they are officially unrelated, the common name for Oasis by most sources covering it refer to it as 'AI Minecraft', 'Minecraft clone', or something along those lines. Because of this, I believe 'Minecraft' should stay in the title in some capacity, but please let me what you think! Also, @SounderBruce: the Maginative source has been removed, an editor other than myself added that recently. Can this nomination be passed now? Cheers! Johnson524 18:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Backdash is still a potentially unreliable source and I do think it needs to be replaced. SounderBruce 02:46, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I said earlier in the discussion that a little hesitant to remove the Backdash source though, as it appears to be a website dedicated publishing gaming articles, does not claim to be a blog, and has credited authors. I really don't see what the issue is. Can it be kept? Cheers! Johnson524 21:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @SounderBruce: Pinging. Cheers! Johnson524 09:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As long as sourcing issues remain, I cannot approve this review. Backdash is not a reliable enough source. SounderBruce 07:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Johnson524: The nomination will be closed within 24 hours if you do not respond to the above concerns. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Narutolovehinata5: The changes have been done. The only remaining issue was the Backdash source used on the page. I asked repeatedly what was wrong with the source since the only explanation given for why it needed to be removed was that "Backdash seems to be a how-to website", which still does not explain anything as far as I'm aware, and was told again to just remove it by SounderBruce for being "not a relaible enough source", but I still don't know how they came to that conclusion. Its not a well-known source, but the website appears to be dedicated to publishing gaming articles, does not claim to be a blog, and has credited authors. For an article with not many citations to begin with, I just really did not want to remove what looked like a reliable citation for no good reason, but I also don't want this nomination to fail. I have nothing but respect for SounderBruce and all the work he does on the encyclopedia, I just found this instance particularly frustrating. Johnson524 15:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • Gaming journalism tends to walk a fine line between self-published and legitimate, so it will be extra scrutinized both here and at venues where DYK hooks can be pulled and outright removed. I believe it's best to not let any questionable sources through now, so that they can be evaluated in a more deliberate manner without the DYK deadline looming. SounderBruce 20:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • @SounderBruce: Thank makes sense, thank you for explaining, that's all I wanted to know. Do you think this nom can be passed now that all of the changes suggested have been performed? If there's anything else this nom needs to pass I'm more than happy to do it, I just like to know why first. Cheers and thank you again! Johnson524 00:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on November 7

    Organization of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

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    Moved to mainspace by John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.

    John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 00:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @John P. Sadowski (NIOSH): Pinging for a response. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on November 8

    Jim Rivaldo

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    • Source: [10] Politics was as much a passion as a job for Jim Rivaldo, a veteran San Francisco political consultant who worked campaigns for candidates ranging from Harvey Milk and Ella Hill Hutch to Supervisor Bevin Dufty and District Attorney Kamala Harris.
    Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.

    — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 00:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • The article is a new creation, and is long enough and adequately source. I did not find any close paraphrasing. However, the provided QPQ is an incomplete review as it was a quickfail that only checked some of the DYK criteria. A full QPQ has to be provided for the nomination to proceed: due to the new rules regarding immediate QPQs, it would be ideal for a full review to be done promptly to replace the provided QPQ.
    Among the two hooks, the second hook seems more interesting, especially for non-politics buffs. It is cited inline and verified. However, I do have some reservations regarding the hook, particularly if it might be considered offensive to LGBT readers and editors if the hook as currently written runs. I'm unsure if the hook as currently written is fine, or if will need to be reworded, but for now, my preference would be to go with some variation of it. In addition, other hook suggestions can also be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5:I have done a new QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Artificial intelligence rhetoric
    I had the same concerns as you regarding my hook suggestions, so I will defer to the opinion of the promoter.— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 20:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I also forgot to mention this in the review, but for DYK purposes, the footnote supporting the quote (the hairdresser one) needs to be repeated immediately after the quote, rather than just after the paragraph. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 19:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. To be on the safe side, I would suggest trying alternative wordings for ALT1 that could help make the context of the hook clearer and thus help avoid possible concerns about being offensive (maybe Theleekycauldron can help?), or maybe try additional angles different from the hairdresser one. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Narutolovehinata5: Alright, how about this version based on the same quote:
    • ALT1b: ... that Jim Rivaldo, a campaign consultant for Harvey Milk, said that moving to San Francisco made him realize "that there were gay lawyers, gay businessmen—a lot of people like me"?
    — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 06:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Feels long. Maybe just drop the mention of Milk? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on November 9

    Articles created/expanded on November 10

    @Narutolovehinata5:  Request withdrawn I withdraw this nomination Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 22:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Berta Persson

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    Berta Persson, aka "Buss-Berta" with her first bus, a Chevrolet for 14 passengers.
    Berta Persson, aka "Buss-Berta" with her first bus, a Chevrolet for 14 passengers.
    • ... that in 1927 Berta Persson became the first woman bus driver in Sweden and was nicknamed "Buss-Berta"?
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    Created by MumphingSquirrel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    MumphingSquirrel (talk) 19:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • This article is new, long enough and written in a neutral tone. The sources cited look reliable, and all contain information that validates the story of Berta Persson. There are no copyvio issues, and no close paraphrasing. QPQ is not required. The image appears to satisfy DYK requirements (old, and public domain). The hook is clear, to the point and interesting, and verified in the sources cited; it is the most obvious hook for the page. Good to go. Thank you for a fascinating article! Chaiten1 (talk) 21:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Many thanks for your kind words Chaiten1, still learning how to do DYKs, so appreciate the encouragement MumphingSquirrel (talk) 21:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    MumphingSquirrel, this appears to be close to a WP:ONESOURCE, and as such some passages are uncomfortably close to WP:CLOP territory. It would be better if more sources are found (there are surely some more available in Swedish). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Added some extra cites, another editor has kindly done some copy edits. Shout if it needs more attention, but my time may be short in the next few weeks to look at anything - this is the season of domestic duties. MumphingSquirrel (talk) 17:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't have time to check fully, so I'd like the promoter to look it over before prepping. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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    Articles created/expanded on November 15

    Retelling

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    Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 533 past nominations.

    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Overall, the article meets all the criteria for warranting a DYK blurb, and QPQ has been satisfied, but I'm concerned that your proposed hook, in my opinion, doesn't seem that interesting or attention-grabbing. Do you think there's something else interesting you could bring up about retelling aside from how common it is? JJonahJackalope (talk) 21:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Piotrus, that definitely sounds more interesting, though if I could make an edit to the phrasing, maybe something like:
    • ... that the feminist retelling of stories can focus on previously nonexistent or marginalized female characters?
    Let me know if this sounds good to you. JJonahJackalope (talk) 13:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on November 16

    Marzēaḥ

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    • ... that an inscription from a 243 AD inscription for a leader of the marzēaḥ ends with blesses blessings for his sons, the scribe, the person in charge of the cooking, the cupbearer and other assistants?
    • ALT1: ... that the relationship between the marzēaḥ and veneration of the dead is still debated among scholars, due to sporadic literary evidence?

    — Preceding unsigned comment added by TNM101 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Created by פעמי-עליון (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    TNM101 (chat) 07:21, 17 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Working on this review Alan Islas (talk) 15:57, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Apologies for the delay, did not have time lately. Did some Copyediting on the article, correcting a few typos. Did not find any other issues, see checklist below. I think the hook is interesting, but changed it a bit.

    General eligibility:

    Policy compliance:

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: Yes
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: No problems found. Hook edited slightly. Alan Islas (talk) 14:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on November 17

    Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani

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    Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani
    Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani
    Created by Faldi00 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Faldi00 (talk) 19:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Same refs etc. Bit spicier. Johnbod (talk) 21:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I prefer this one. The sentence structure and lexicons are way better. Faldi00 (talk) 06:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Take it from a native speaker; they're not. But whatever. Johnbod (talk) 13:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]



    Articles created/expanded on November 18

    Raul Meza Jr.

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    • ... that serial killer Raul Meza Jr. began using drugs at age eight?
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    Created by Swinub (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Swinub★ 04:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Article meets all the relevant guidelines, hook is cited to a brand of MSNBC which is considered reliable by consensus. Hook is interesting, nice work! It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • I have pulled the hook over WP:DYKBLP concerns. Regardless of the fact that he is primarily known for negative reasons, unduly focusing on a negative aspect about a living person violates the rule (it would be due to have a hook about his murders, but not about something he did as a kid and what he wasn't known for). A new hook will need to be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:58, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT1: ... that when the serial killer Raul Meza Jr. was asked if he was apologetic, he asked: "What's the use if a person will not accept it?"?--Launchballer 18:57, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sounds better. @It is a wonderful world: Can you please check ALT1? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I like that hook a lot, but I think "he stated" would be better than "he asked", to avoid the repetition of "asked". Also, I don't think it needs a double question mark? It is a wonderful world (talk) 17:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT1a: ... that when the serial killer Raul Meza Jr. was asked if he was apologetic, he replied: "What's the use if a person will not accept it?".--Launchballer 17:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Probably ready for a new check. Courtesy ping to Swinub in case they weren't aware of the above discussion and the new hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on November 19

    German atrocities committed against prisoners of war during World War II

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    Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 534 past nominations.

    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    2019 NFC Divisional Playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay)

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    Moved to mainspace by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 51 past nominations.

    « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Pbritti just reused some references from Packers-Seahawks rivalry. I can change the access dates if you would like. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I hate to be saying this so late after you've nominated this article, but I have notability concerns. A cursory review of WP:NEVENT suggests that the coverage ranging from only within a month of when the game was played raises concerns regarding whether it merits an article. If there's a localized standard/guideline that permits divisional playoff games to have a presumed notability (I wouldn't be surprised, as I guess that makes sense), then please let me know. Thanks for the clarification. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Pbritti, I have added three sources from a few years out. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Sun Haven (video game)

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    • ... that players can marry the leader in Sun Haven?
    "Lucia is Sun Haven’s enthusiastic and magically gifted leader." and "To romance Sun Haven’s Lucia, opt for fiery and magical gifts."
    Moved to mainspace by JuniperChill (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

    JuniperChill (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Note: this may be suitable to run on 30 November, the day after the game is on the Switch as its scheduled to release on 29 Nov at 0700 PST (1500 UTC) according to this Reddit post, which was posted by one of the developers (see the username). I totally forgot about the special hook occasion and only just realised. If not, the 29th will do. JuniperChill (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Also ALT0a: that players can marry Lucia, the leader of Sun Haven?
    • Pretty well-written and interesting article. Both the length and citation quality are alright, however I am of the view that the proposed hooks might potentially be in violation of the rule that "If the subject of the hook is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must be focused on a real-world fact." (WP:DYKFICTION). Would be great if you could propose some other alternatives. Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would disagree with saying that ALT0 definitely meets WP:DYKFICTION because it's about marriage and the concept of marriage is a real-life fact. Plenty of things that happen in real life, such as births, deaths, marriages, going to school, etc. happen in works of fiction. The real issue here based on WP:DYKFICTION is if ALT0 is to be interpreted as a game mechanic or as a plot point: if it's the former, it might meet the guideline, but if it's the latter, it may not. Game mechanics are among those edge cases where it's not clear if DYKFICTION is met or not. At the very least, a reword may be needed. If not, maybe a different angle is needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll hope for the best for this one then. I think i've learnt that DYK hooks shouldn't talk about the game and talk about the real word associated with it. JuniperChill (talk) 08:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT2: "that Sun Haven did not gain a lot of attention until full release in 2023?"
    ALT3: "that only a few games combine farming RPG like Sun Haven does?"

    Sources: https://www.thegamer.com/best-farming-games-ranked/ "This indie gem has flown under the radar for a surprisingly long time, not gaining much attention until it had its official 1.0 release in early 2023" and https://www.thegamer.com/sun-haven-worth-it/ "Few games blend farming RPG mechanics, casual slice-of-life interactions, and high fantasy styles like Sun Haven does" for ALT2 and 3 respectively

    @Kingoflettuce: Pinging for a return to the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:58, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd hate to be that guy, but I really don't find ALTS 3 and 4 interesting at all. Maybe others might? The article is rather well written and the other DYK criteria aren't an issue. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 13:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thinking about this, I would have to agree. ALT2 is very vague (it is not uncommon for early access games to not gain traction until much later, let alone full release games), while ALT3 as currently written is also pretty vague and not very hooky. Taking a look at the article, I'm actually not sure if the article is even a good fit for DYK as there doesn't really seem to be any hook material in it, not even in the Reception section. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The only remaining options I can see in the article could be either of the following:
    ALT4 ... that the 2023 life simulator Sun Haven has been compared to Stardew Valley?
    ALT5 ... that a reviewer described the game Sun Haven as similar to Stardew Valley, but more magical and fantastic?
    Stardew Valley is a very popular and well-known game (saying as someone who's yet to play it), but I'm not actually sure if the angles would work if readers don't know Stardew Valley. In addition, JuniperChill has a notice on their talk page saying they are on Wikibreak until the end of the month: should the nomination continue in their absence? Pinging Kingoflettuce again for input, or possibly other editors like RoySmith and Launchballer regarding the latter question. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, im on a christmas holiday rn which is why I made almost no edits this month. As my talk page says, I will be back sometime around 30 Dec. I would think alt5 is the way to go because it adds more info than alt4, but I should put this nom on hold until at least new year. JuniperChill (talk) 06:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:DYKTIMEOUT suggests we should keep this alive until Jan 20th. RoySmith (talk) 16:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on November 21

    Renildo José dos Santos

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    • ... that Renildo José dos Santos, a Brazilian councilman, was tragically murdered in 1993 after publicly declaring his bisexuality, and his murderers only started serving their sentences in 2015?
    Created by MikutoH (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    --MikutoH talk! 23:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @TheBritinator: it may not be. But is it? You didn't state your perspective in a concrete way. --MikutoH talk! 17:21, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I removed the apparent non-neutral POV~. Since it wasn't specified which part, now I think it's neutral. --MikutoH talk! 20:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The hooks remain non-neutral and should be reworded. Full review would be left to TheBritinator or another editor:
    ALT2 ... that Renildo José dos Santos, a Brazilian councilman, was murdered in 1993 after publicly coming out as bisexual? ("Tragically" is commentary that should be avoided per WP:WTW, the second seems to be commentary that might also not meet NPOV).
    Tragic but sadly not uncommon, so I'm not sure if it's "unusual" enough to meet WP:DYKINT, so maybe other editor can chime in? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: I would say ALT2 is good. TheBritinator ([[User talk:TheBritin --MikutoH talk! 21:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)ator|talk]]) 16:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I support ALT2 as well. --MikutoH talk! 21:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Doug Hamlin

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    Moved to mainspace by Queen of Hearts (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

    charlotte 👸♥ 23:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on November 22

    Sugya

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    • ... that the composition of a sugya, or passage in the Babylonian Talmud, has multiple layers, with the latest edited with an anonymous voice?
    • ALT1: ... that a sugya, or passage in the Talmud, may be read as folklore, philosophy, proto-feminist, or legal virtuosity? Source: Folklore -- Stein, Dina (2019). "Linguistic Liaisons: Wives and Vows in the Babylonian Talmud (BT Nedarim 66a-b)". Nashim: A Journal of Jewish Women's Studies & Gender Issues (35). Philosophy: Lévinas, Emmanuel; Aronowicz, Annette; Lévinas, Emmanuel (1990). Nine Talmudic readings. Bloomington: Indiana Univ. Press. ISBN 978-0-253-20876-7. Proto-feminist: Hauptman, Judith (1998). Rereading the rabbis: a woman's voice. Boulder, Colo.: Westview Press. ISBN 978-0-8133-3400-4. Conceptual "virtuosity: -- Moscovitz, Leib (2003). ""Designation is Significant": An Analysis of the Conceptual Sugya in bSan 47b–48b". AJS Review. 27 (2): 227–252. Let me know if quotes from sources would be helpful.
    • ALT2: ... that anonymous editors may create a sugya, or passage in the Talmud, by rewording quotations by earlier rabbis? Source: Moscovitz, Leib. "'The Holy Blessed One Be He... Does Not Permit the Righteous to Stumble': Reflections on the Development of a Remarkable BT Theologoumenon." In Rubenstein, Jeffrey L., ed. Creation and Composition: the Contribution of the Bavli Redactors (Stammaim) to the Aggada. Mohr Sieback, 2005, p126 "Second, the anonymous BT redactors contributed to the Talmud by reformulating amoraic dicta, not just by adding to their statements." Friedman, Shamma (2005). "A Good Story Deserves Retelling – The Unfolding Of The Akiva Legend" in same book: see p.72 "anonymous voice in the sugyot... original and creative rather than simply preserving or transmitting"
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tony Pajaczkowski
    • Comment: Open to suggestions with the hook, trying to avoid insider jargon. Also, please help with my faulty template use in the QPQ. Btw, "proto-feminist" isn't quite parallel structure.
    Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

    ProfGray (talk) 04:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    ILEA Educational Television Service

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    • ... that a cable TV channel in the UK was still broadcasting primarily in black and white as late as 1979?
    • Source: "Both the ULAVC and ILEA had converted into colour production by 1980, however, the now old GPO VHF cable network was only just capable of transmitting high quality colour (it was originally designed for analogue black and white in 1967)."
    https://blogs.imperial.ac.uk/videoarchive/ilea-channel-7-network-1968-1979/
      • Reviewed:
    Created by Nylix4488 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Nylix4488 (talk) 01:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Thank you for the fix, but it still doesn't completely match the article. The article does not directly support the "still broadcasting primarily" wording, and indeed the article doesn't even directly state if there was still a black-and-white broadcast in 1979. Given that this is a TV station-related nomination and with how this has been stuck for a while, I'm asking Sammi Brie for help with the nomination and article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've actually heard of this thing, believe it or not. And I have indeed located a reference to this effect in The Times Educational Supplement. We are good on that front, but there is still a paragraph missing an ending citation, Nylix4488. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Family Stress Model

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    • ... that the Family Stress Model helps explain how economic hardship impacts children and adolescents through family-level processes like interpersonal conflict between caregivers and disrupted parenting?
    • Source: "We consider the Family Stress Model (FSM) as a useful framework for understanding the family stress process and its potential impact on children’s lives. As illustrated in Figure 1, the FSM outlines a theoretical process by which economic hardships and pressures (Boxes 1 and 2) exacerbate child and adolescent maladjustment (Box 5) primarily through parents’ psychological distress (Box 3), interparental relationship problems (Box 4a), and disrupted parenting (Box 4b). Box 6 involves additional risk factors that may intensify and protective factors that may dampen the family stress process. Since proposed by Conger and his colleagues there have been at least three published reports that review systematically the extent of empirical support for the FSM." (Masarik & Conger, 2017; Stress and Child Development: A Review of the Family Stress Model, p. 85).
    • Reviewed:
    Moved to mainspace by MezLazYaz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    MezLazYaz (talk) 23:37, 3 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Comment @MezLazYaz Not a review. The lead of the article needs work as it doesn't even acknowledge that the FSM is a theory. The very first sentence needs to define what the Family Stress Model is. The first seven words in the lead should/must say "The Family Stress Model is a theory..." You can talk about it growing out of something after you have given a succinct definition in the opening sentence. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section.4meter4 (talk) 15:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Alessandra Rojo de la Vega

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  • Alt 1: ...that in the 2024 electoral campaign for the Cuauhtémoc borough in Mexico City then candidate Alessandra Rojo de la Vega was accused of political gender violence for referring to her opponent by her last name?
  • Alt 2: ...that in the 2024 electoral campaign for mayor the Cuauhtémoc borough in Mexico City Alessandra Rojo de la Vega defeated the daughter of a previous holder of the same office?
  • Alt 3: ...that during the 2024 electoral campaign for the Cuauhtémoc borough in Mexico City the parked vehicle of then candidate Alessandra Rojo de la Vega was shot 5 times to "give her a scare"?
  • Alt 4: ...that after winning the election for the Cuauhtémoc borough in Mexico City and moving into the mayor's office Alessandra Rojo de la Vega found two hidden phones potentially for spying?
    • Created by Alan Islas (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

    Alan Islas (talk) 15:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    QPQ: No - Not done
    Overall: Notwithstanding Tbhotch's comment, QPQ has yet to be done. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 11:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • @Alan Islas: You need to review another article, and you also need to consider hooks that are not unduly negative for this living person per Tbhotch's suggestion. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Sammi Brie: Thanks everybody for looking into my submission. Apologies for the delay in replying, I was not able to work on this due to external circumstances. Completed review of Template:Did you know nominations/Marzēaḥ.
        About the hook, it is not intended to be negative, as Rojo de la Vega showed resiliency to overcame all the obstacles. In the end her case prevailed in the electoral courts and she was confirmed as the winner of a very contested election. However, I do see how it can be interpreted differently. I have to go to work now, but I'll get back to this tonight, edit the original hook and add alternatives. Alan Islas (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on November 27

    Carlisle Chang

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    • ... that Carlisle Chang's mural The Inherent Nobility of Man, "possibly the most important work of art in the Caribbean", was destroyed during an airport expansion?
    • Source: Art historian Geoffrey MacLean describes it as having been “possibly the most important work of art in the Caribbean”...The Piarco mural was demolished in 1979, to public outcry, when the airport building was extended. [12]
    • ALT1: ... that "the most important work of art in the Caribbean", Carlisle Chang's mural The Inherent Nobility of Man, was destroyed during an airport expansion? Source: Art historian Geoffrey MacLean describes it as having been “possibly the most important work of art in the Caribbean”...The Piarco mural was demolished in 1979, to public outcry, when the airport building was extended. [13]
    • ALT2: ... that Carlisle Chang helped design both the flag and the coat of arms of Trinidad and Tobago? Source: "Eventually, Chang got down to work, doing designs at night and submitting them on mornings to the Ministry of Home Affairs whose officials would eventually fly to London where the final designs had to be vetted and approved by Herald’s College. Chang disclosed that the Coat of Arms contains one key input from then premier, Dr Eric Williams, first prime minister of independent Trinidad and Tobago. “He wanted Tobago on the top of it, and that’s what he got. The palm tree on the top is Tobago.”
      For the flag, Chang opted for blocks of red, white and black with very precise dimensions. In an interview with Banyan he explained that he was “determined that a child should be able to draw it with a ruler.”" [14]
    • Reviewed: pending
    Moved to mainspace by Guettarda (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 37 past nominations.

    Guettarda (talk) 04:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: No - n
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.

    QPQ: No - Not done
    Overall: Taking on this review. Guettarda, the article is solid and well-sourced. All three hooks are interesting, but ALT0 and ALT1 refer to Chang's work as the most important of the Caribbean, which seems like a huge claim. It might be better to attribute this assertion to the sources in accordance with DYKDEFINITE. Earwig shows a 44.1% similarity to the sources, but I believe this is due to the numerous direct quotations. I performed a spotcheck on sources 1 and 3 and found no major issues, although source 1 notes that Chang's father actually originated from Canton, China, so you might consider adding this detail to the article. Also, there is a missing square bracket in the quotation "Tobago at the top of [the coat of arms" in the National symbols section. Please ping me once you have completed the QPQ and addressed the issues mentioned above. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Prince of Erebor: Thanks so much. I completely forgot about the QPQs. I'll get to that and the other stuff ASAP - I'll ping you as soon as I'm done. I ran it through Earwig's myself and was surprised how high it was, but it was the quotes. Guettarda (talk) 14:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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    Ripken (dog)

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    Created by Johnson524 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 20 past nominations.

    Johnson524 11:34, 5 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: No - The Manual (misspelled as The Manuel) used for ALT0 seems to be a clickbait-like website run by Digital Trends, which I would disqualify as a reliable source. InspireMore (used for ALT1) also seems to have journalistic standards and an editorial staff, but is very low quality; surely there's better sources out there?
    • Interesting: Yes
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Article need some work, especially in the sourcing department. ALT0 would be usable with some cleanup and a better source. SounderBruce 04:47, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • @SounderBruce: Thank you for the review, and I'm sorry for submitting this article in such a poor state, I didn't realize how many things were wrong with it! I have removed The Manual source from the page, replaced the ALT0 source with a much better one from Golf Digest, and added a supporting source for ALT1. I'm really bad at copyediting, its something I wish I was better at, but I believe I've removed the worst of the informal wording from the page, so please feel free to tell me what other corrections I can do for the page. Thank you again, and cheers! Johnson524 18:51, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hefker

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    • ... that hefker, unowned property in Talmudic law, came to express both personal freedom and societal abandonment in 20th C. Yiddish poetry?
    • Source: Brenner, Naomi. "Milgroym, Rimon and Interwar Jewish Bilingualism." Journal of Jewish Identities 7, no. 1 (2014): 23-48, including "in Yiddish modernism hefker becomes a new mode of poetic identity that at once celebrates and suffers from this lack of belonging" " In contrast to Bergelson and Markish’s freedom and movement, Stencl’s hefker-yung is no free modernist spirit, but rather a crucified Jesus" Murav, Harriet. "David Hofshteyn’s Poetry of Listening." Lyre–Studies in Poetry and Lyric 1 (2023) including: "This essay examines the multiple resonances of the Jewish term hefker (literally,“unclaimed, abandoned, or neglected property”)... The pogrom cycle, as a whole, is a journey through the broken time and space of antisemitic violence."
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/René Vallon
    • Comment: While there are potential hooks from ancient Jewish law alone, the use of this dry legal principle in modernist Yiddish poetry is pretty amazing IMO and new to me. If we're concerned people won't know words like Talmudic and Yiddish, the hook can substitute 'Jewish' for either or both. Thanks.
    Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

    ProfGray (talk) 21:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Gonna suggest an alt :)

    • ALT0a: ... that some 20th century Yiddish poetry incorporates the Talmudic concept of hefker?

    Mm, not quite. Trying to figure out how to emphasize the time disparity. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 14:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Qvadriga

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    Created by Hahnchen (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

    hahnchen 00:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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    Recategorization

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    • ... that in 2003, Rwanda adopted a constitution that recategorized Rwandans of Hutu, Tutsi, and Twa ethnicities into one identity, banyarwanda?
    • Source: Beyond Conflict and Spoilt Identities: How Rwandan Leaders Justify a Single Recategorization Model for Post-Conflict Reconciliation

    Authored by Sigrun Marie Moss and published in the Journal of Social and Political Psychology in 2014. PDF available at: [15] Quotes: "Since 1994,the Rwandan government has attempted to remove the division of the population into the ‘ethnic’ groups (ubwoko) Hutu, Tutsi and Twa and instead encourage people to think of themselves only in terms of a common national Rwandan identity. This approach can be classified as recategorization of social identities– a process where subordinate identities are replaced with a shared or superordinate identity in order to improve intergroup relations." ...

    "This comprehensive recategorization approach is based on a meta-narrative that essentialises Rwandan unity and de-essentialises ethnic identities, in a context where alternative narratives are not permitted. The 2003 constitution forbids genocide ideology, and a 2008 addition further limits identity discussions. These strict genocide ideology laws ban everything seen as divisionism, implying limited freedom of speech on topics of identity, political power and representation."
      • Reviewed:
    Created by Paradox38 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Paradox38 (talk) 19:37, 8 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • @Paradox38: Welcome to DYK! New enough in mainspace (moved December 2) and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. The hook fact checks out. This is a promising page but needs action to proceed:
      • All paragraphs beyond the lead section need to end in an inline citation. The paragraph beginning in The challenges facing might be fine since it's basically a summary of the cited paragraphs, but I see three paragraphs that have uncited portions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 14:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • I've indicated them with tags. From what I understand the first two seem to be clarifying sentences, so could be removed if needed. The third one has additional content that would be more of a shame to remove. CMD (talk) 17:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    2024 attack on the Bangladesh Assistant High Commission in India

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    Created by Za-ari-masen (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Za-ari-masen (talk) 15:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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    Josie Brown Childs

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    • ... that community activist Josie Brown Childs had the title of "Matriarch of the Movement"?
    Created by SL93 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 419 past nominations.

    SL93 (talk) 02:49, 8 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Comment. Not a review, but in examining the article it relies heavily on primary materials. The History Makers source should probably directly link to the interview transcript (https://www.thehistorymakers.org/sites/default/files/A2013_248_EAD.pdf) and give credit to Larry Crowe as the interviewer. I would consider this a primary source. I added an independent obituary with a byline but it consisted mostly of quotes so I'm not sure how independent that is either. The Black Metropolis Research Consortium source should be replaced with the original at https://www.chipublib.org/fa-josie-brown-childs-papers/ These papers are housed at the the Chicago Public Library, Vivian G. Harsh Research Collection, Woodson Regional library and were processed/compiled by Elizabeth Loch and Emily Minehart who should be attributed as the authors/compilers of the file. Unfortunately neither of these two biographies have a named authors and they both have close attachments to primary materials (one being principally an interview with the subject with an attached non-bylined biography, and the other papers donated by the subject housed at a library with again a non by-lined biography). It's not clear how independent these sources are from Childs, although I don't doubt they are accurate. The article is also not compliant with MOS:CHRONOLOGICAL. I do think this person is notable, I'm just not certain if the sources currently in the article clearly demonstrate WP:SIGCOV which is a concern for promoting this to the main page.4meter4 (talk) 03:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      4meter4 As for chronological, are you only referring to the death being mentioned under the personal life and death section? SL93 (talk) 03:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @SL93 Yes. Biographies should be presented in chronological order; ending with a person's death and maybe a legacy section covering after death significance if appropriate. Generally an "early life and education" section opens an article. Then a "career section". Then a "later life" section which includes a person's death as well as activities in retirement. If possible, it's best to interweave personal life information into the article's other sections and not separate it out in order to maintain chronological presentation. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    4meter4 I did that with a death section until the point that editors whined about me having a short section with a few sentences or less. That caused me to not include death details in their own section for a few years up until you saying something about it. SL93 (talk) 03:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How do these sources look? - [16], [17], [18], and [19]. SL93 (talk) 03:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @SL93 I'll look at the sources and get back to you shortly on that point. It is true that short subsections are also problematic under WP:MOS guidelines. If there isn't enough content for a later life section, it's perfectly fine to have a single "Career and later life" subheading. You can bundle topics under one section. Likewise the opposite is true when writing on a person where there is more detail. In those cases you can extrapolate out more diverse subheadings if/when it is appropriate. There is flexibility to expand, remove, and combine subheadings as long you follow both the general MOS and the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography guidelines. Every article isn't going to look the same, but biographies do need to present content in chronological order as much as possible. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @SL93 I think those sources look great, and would do a lot to help demonstrate SIGCOV. Please take the time to work those into the article, and also please make the adjustments to the extant sources that I mentioned above if you haven't already. Doing all of that should prevent any notability issues being raised while it is on the main page. The main thing is we don't want an article to get pulled when it is on the main page at DYK because somebody decides to take it to AFD. It's not a good look for the project. Having a good number of by-lined sources helps prevent that. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. I will leave a note here once I'm done. SL93 (talk) 03:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm done. SL93 (talk) 02:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I wasn't reviewing so someone else can review this. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Pisidice of Methymna

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    • ... that in Greek mythology, Achilles promised to marry Pisidice if she would help him conquer her homeland, but afterwards he had her executed for treason?
    • Reviewed:
    Created by Deiadameian (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Deiadameian (talk) 22:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Apologies for not having realised about DYKFICTION - happy to help workshop a new hook Chaiten1 (talk) 14:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Are we really applying DYKFICTION to mythology and legends now? I get the idea but that doesn't seem to follow the spirit of the guideline as originally proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Per the discussion on the talk page, IMO, this interpretation of DYKFICTION is a minority one and should not block the hook lest it become a naysayer's veto. The hook reads fine to me. DYKFICTION is about "creative works", i.e. novels or the like. Citing serious, scholarly mythology sources like Brill's New Paulys about the nature of mythology or folklore is not fiction. I would suggest the hook be approved as is. SnowFire (talk) 03:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on December 6

    Richard Stratton (diplomat)

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    • ... that Richard Stratton's diplomatic career took him from the Pitcairn Islands to "South America to Japan, and from Southern Africa to the foothills of the Himalayas"?
    • Source: quote is from The Times - I also added to the hook his relation to the Pitcairn Islands (see e.g. [20] as a ref for him being the territory's governor)
    Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 278 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • @Yakikaki: Sorry for taking so long to respond. Is there a requirement that quotes need to be attributed in the hook? All I read is that if the source is not willing to say the fact in its own voice, the hook should attribute back to the original source as well. – but I don't think that'd apply, as The Times had that wording in their own voice. But anyway, if it is required, would the modification be something like ALT2: ... that Richard Stratton's diplomatic career, according to The Times, took him "from South America to Japan, and from Southern Africa to the foothills of the Himalayas"? That does seem kind of less "hook-y," though. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for getting back about this. On closer look and second though I realise you are probably – and hopefully – right. I would also prefer the original hook to be honest, but thanks for providing an ALT in any case. Yakikaki (talk) 08:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Prius Missile

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    Created by AlphaBetaGamma (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Comment: @AlphaBetaGamma: Thanks for such an interesting article. I'm from California but I live in Hawaii. Both states have a lot of Priuses, so I was pretty confused by your hook when I read it, because in those two states, the Prius is not really known for crashes. (The joke around these parts is that it's usually a Nissan, but it's not exactly clear why that is). I read your article, and I see that it is mostly about a phenomenon in Japan involving older drivers, which makes a lot of sense and is quite interesting. I think this is the kind of hook (ALT0) that shocks readers (like myself) and increases traffic to your article, but I also wonder if it is somewhat misleading since the hook itself doesn't mention Japan or older drivers. In any case, it's a great hook, but I wonder if it is legit to shock the reader like this. If it is, it's highly effective and would probably get a lot of traffic. I'm not sure if we can trick readers like this, so I will ping a few people and see what they say: @Launchballer and RoySmith: Thanks. ABG, you are also missing the word "as" in ALT1. Viriditas (talk) 10:23, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This seems like click bait. I wouldn't run it. RoySmith (talk) 13:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @RoySmith: Thank you, that was one of my concerns. My other question is where is the red line? In other words, some of our most successful hooks approach clickbait, wouldn't you agree? How do you know when you've crossed that line? For me, this hook crosses it, as it doesn't let the reader know that the Prius is only considered accident prone in Japan due to the demographic of older drivers. Perhaps, if it just stopped there, it would be fine, but it doesn't. Reading further, we discover this is just a slang term, and that official data shows that Priuses are no more accident prone than other vehicles, which is what I suspected from the jump. For this reason, I am leaning into crossing out ALT0. Viriditas (talk) 21:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Initial review
    • Article is new enough and long enough and moved from draft to mainspace. Earwig shows no issues. It's not clear if the nominator is the author of the original article, which was created on ja.wikipedia in mid 2021. If not, I believe you're supposed to attribute when you copy over the material as a translation in your first edit, but you just wrote "start draft". In any case, you've got a fully formed, well written article over at ja, yet you only copied over (or wrote) a minor version of it here. I don't get why you did that. The current version here on en.wikipedia needs copyedits. However, I would encourage you to return to the ja article and import the majority of it back over here, as it makes much more sense and covers the entire topic in a comprehensive manner. As for your hooks, ALT0 is ragebait (see the discussion above), and you got me good! I was genuinely upset as to why the beloved Prius (official car of liberals in the US) was associated with crashes! I clicked so fast and hard that smoke came out of my mouse. It was then that I realized, I had been fooled. More so when I check the original article on ja. Then there's the image of the crashed vehicle. I recall seeing that image before, and I think it's from California. Have you considered using Japan-related images? So, you've got a lot of issues to deal with here, but I can walk you through them. First things first, why not copy over the entire article from ja? It's really well done and would clear up a great many things. Viriditas (talk) 21:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Viriditas (talk) 21:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Not really, the paragraph
    Extended content
    According to Masaki Kubota [ja], the viral spread of the slang and the creation of the Prius's public image as a crash-prone car is thought to be caused by the extremely large amount of the car in use, the car being popular among older drivers, older drivers usually being overconfident in their driving skills, and the Prius's significance as a well-known car brand.

    Covered the entire "原因" paragraph. Not too sure how much I should cover beyond that. I hope the next ALT is more informing, because the lack of information causing "click bait" seems to be the issue here. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 22:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • IMO, "referred to a missile" doesn't really work in English. Also, try rearranging your primary link so that it comes first; that tends to increase views. You may also want to work in the fact that this is a slang term or a meme, as that isn't made clear. As for the main ja article, I'm not clear on the disconnect based on your response. There's a lot of content in that article that didn't find its way here, and it more accurately describes the topic.[21] Viriditas (talk) 22:24, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was quite stuck, so I reached out for help off-wiki, and some of them argued that specifying too much would not make a good hook. I've had issues thinking of a hook, and for the article itself, you told me a lot of information on jawiki didn't find way into the enwiki version I made. I did try to do my best to cover the content, but my lack of knowledge for cars itself basically barred me from inserting clear details to improve the article. I didn't really want to machine-paste the content either because google translate tends to be faulty for some words.

    TL;DR - I'm stuck, because I thought I wrote a hook that gets views for once, but got turned down because the hook crossed into the boundaries of "click bait". (Aren't most successful hooks clickbaits or borderline clickbaits?) ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 05:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    It's a great question. I asked ChatGPT, and it gave some good answers. Non-clickbait should be 1) accurate 2) transparent, and this last one is the big one, 3) engage the reader through intrigue instead of deception, fabrication, or distortion. As I said above, without mentioning you are talking specifically about Japan and older people, it's pretty deceptive. Viriditas (talk) 08:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @AlphaBetaGamma: Provided the article is in acceptable shape, I would support a hook that addresses the points in my above comment. In other words, mention Japan and the older demographic. No reason to still be stuck. Add new hooks. Viriditas (talk) 08:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't think this is interesting

    Then write a hook that is interesting. You'll also need to fix your lead section, which contradicts what we know about the accident rate. In other words, the slang didn't arise from the increased amount of accidents, but from the perception of it on the internet. It's basically a meme, not a real thing. One of the reasons I asked you to expand the article with the material from the Japanese Wikipedia is it would clear up all of these inconsistencies. It isn't exactly clear to me why you are hesitant to do this. Viriditas (talk) 10:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Lead rewritten with the same thing as jawiki mentioned. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:31, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I mean, it reads like a huge improvement to me. Any thoughts come to you about new hooks? Viriditas (talk) 08:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This hook is way too long, but trimming it would cause the previous issues to appear again ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 01:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC) Nevermind hook is 146 characters and meets policy haha ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    With that said, the previous alt definitely did not fix the previous issues...

    Also, is it possible to add the image currently present in the lead? It seems like it would be good to go for DYK, although the size may make it difficult to see the car, that may be an issue with my eyes and not the image quality itself. I'm not pinging the reviewer for now as everyone wants to do their own thing on this time. Seeing that I violated my wikibreak I'm going to ask for an enforcement block. Happy new year. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I would be against including the image in question for the reasons I laid out up above, namely that it is inaccurate, since there's no indication the accident was in Japan (I'm pretty sure that's California depicted), and it would further promote an untrue stereotype. I would feel differently with an image from Japan showing an accident, particularly an image of the accident described in the article. Viriditas (talk) 00:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm going through the article and making a final read. It occurs to me, that this is part of a much larger phenomenon worldwide. In Japan, accidents caused by unintended acceleration due to pedal misapplication are as high as 18%, often attributed to the Prius because that car is more common there, but here in the United States, we have the same problem, and everyone I know can tell you about the little old lady/man who ran their car into the corner store, as it's extremely common and is happening just about everywhere. The only difference is that the Prius isn't as common here, so it's often a variety of different vehicles at fault. The older lady who did this down the street from me and accidentally drove her car into the market (which I took a photo of and still have in my archives somewhere) did so in an American sports car. Anyway, I just wanted to make a note of this. Viriditas (talk) 21:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Final review
    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: I believe that all of the outstanding problems have been fixed, although the hooks might still need some work. I think ALT5 comes closest to being acceptable. For those who aren't aware of this whole thing, this is a very real phenomenon. There have been numerous case studies of the age-related phenomenon of car accidents caused by unintended acceleration in Japan. The problem never had anything to do with Prius, but rather the fact that this car was very common and driven by older drivers. This internet slang term emerged out of this phenomenon, and likely led to increased, preventative safety measures added by Toyota in newer versions of the vehicle (as the article makes clear), not because there was something wrong with the Prius (there wasn't), but because older drivers in Japan tended to drive it and would often engage in unintended acceleration. I'm thinking that a hook that makes note of this might be the most neutral of all. In any case, I believe that variations of ALT3 and ALT5 can work, so I'm passing this, but I think a proposed ALT6 that makes note of the new safety features that were introduced to prevent older drivers from engaging in unintended acceleration might be best of all. I will request help in this regard on the DYK talk page as the nominator is on a self-imposed break. Viriditas (talk) 23:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on December 7

    Jewish Ethnographic Expedition

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    Created by Artem.G (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.

    Artem.G (talk) 07:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on December 8

    The Man Who Knew Too Much (Alexander McQueen collection)

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    Created by Premeditated Chaos (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 58 past nominations.

    ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: New enough, long enough, hook fact is interesting and cited to Watt and Bethune. Earwig shows 9.1%, but everything highlighted is just the title of the collection. Good to go.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on December 10

    Zhang Boju

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    5x expanded by Limengchen2777 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Limengchen2777 (talk) 06:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Howdy Limengchen2777, seems like you have erroneously not placed a blurb on this nomination. Thought it would be best to let you know before you proceed. Ornithoptera (talk) 07:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • There has been no response to multiple pings about this very incomplete nomination (no hook!), and the final grades for the class this student was participating in were submitted on 26 December. Marking for closure due to failure to respond, and extreme unlikelihood of there every being a response. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Ethel Lote

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    • ... that World War II nurse Ethel Lote taught yoga classes until she was 95?
    • ALT1: ... that World War II nurse Ethel Lote taught yoga classes until she was in her 90s? Source: "And she taught yoga well into her 90s" [28]
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: First hook is supported by the video in source, but I am unsure if videos can be used as evidence in a DYK nomination so I've added an alt hook just in case.
    Created by Spiderpig662 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Spiderpig662 (talk) 21:48, 15 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    This article has potential, but there are solveable problems:

    • Article is new and long enough
    • The article relies on sources that are mostly interviews, such as the Dreaper BBC source, which is used at least four times. The blurb relies on Lote's son and herself mentioning this fact when interviewed. This falls as WP:PRIMARY, and I can pass this despite of this, but others may not. The Telegraph is behind a registerwall but can be used AGF.
    • Article is presentable
    • Some sources contradict each other. The 2008 Express and Star reference states she retired at 88 years old. The video cited in the hook states she quit at 95, while the 2020 Express and Star reference states 90s. I'd assume the newer Express and Star is more updated, but maybe this should be in the prose that she retired in 2008, but had continued exercising herself until she was 95? I assume that what was meant?
    • Hook is interesting and short enough.
    • Image is licensed appropriately; impossible to find a free source of Lote as she is now dead.
    • QPQ is waived as creator only has 2 DYKs.

    Howard the Duck (talk) 12:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    2024 MLS expansion draft

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    Created by Demt1298 (talk) and Motdattan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Demt1298 (talk) 00:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @SounderBruce, BeanieFan11, and Gonzo fan2007: Is it okay if any of you propose alternate hooks, if it is possible? Also pinging Demt1298 and Motdattan for their input. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Both hooks are pretty boring, even to this soccer fan. How about this ALT2: ... that the 2024 MLS expansion draft took place at a shopping center? Source: San Diego Union-Tribune SounderBruce 00:29, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe ALT3 ... that the 2024 MLS expansion draft featured only five selections? – the next would need to be added, but perhaps ALT4 ... that the 2024 MLS expansion draft featured the selections of a Norwegian, a Senegalese, a German, a Japanese, and a Brazilian – and no one else? BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I like SounderBruce's suggestion the most. Just waiting for a response from the nominator before proceeding. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:09, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I mean as a soccer fan, I don't know why the fact it was at a shopping mall would make it interesting, but I also understand my suggestions were boring, so I don't know I should be the one who defines what is interesting to soccer fans. Demt1298 (talk) 19:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on December 11

    Monica Smit

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    Created by TarnishedPath (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    TarnishedPathtalk 06:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Requesting a second opinion because it is my first DYK review. The article is new enough, long enough, neutral, and Earwig returns 2.9%. The hooks are cited and the first hook seems interesting. The only concern I have is that the article seems somewhat incomplete, since it does not mention much about her background before the 2021 arrest and subsequent legal issues. There are also no sections. But I guess there is not much interest in her early life and background by the sources. AmateurHi$torian (talk) 16:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @AmateurHi$torian, I haven't found anything about their early life at this point in time. There is material about them auditioning for Survivor and not making it past the audition stage, but there's not much depth to that. The survivor stuff would probably only justify a sentence. The current state of the article is what I intend to be lead and I will expand out from that when I have time and motivation to write it. TarnishedPathtalk 02:01, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see. In any case, this is approved from my side, just waiting for the second opinion.AmateurHi$torian (talk) 08:57, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Worth noting that it's also my first review. Going through the criteria in order, the article is new enough, long enough, its sourcing seems fine, and it appears to be neutral. However, there's perhaps some close paraphrasing – possibly this is a one-off, but this is the first citation I checked (ref 7), which I personally feel is a little close:

    • News article: Shortly after Ms Smit refused to sign her release document, her partner Morgan Jonas – also an anti-lockdown activist and vocal critic of Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews – launched a crowd fundraiser for her legal defence. [...] The campaign raised $247,000 within five days, despite some of Smit’s legal representation being provided pro bono.
    • Our article: Upon Smit's remand in 2021, her ex-partner Morgan Jonas, who was also an anti-lockdown activist and critic of Daniel Andrews, launched a crowdfunding campaign aimed at covering her legal expenses. The crowd sourcing campaign showed it had raised $247,000 in just five days despite some of Ms Smit’s legal team working pro-Bono.

    – Michael Aurel (talk) 08:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Michael Aurel,
    • News article: Shortly after Ms Smit refused to sign her release document, her partner Morgan Jonas – also an anti-lockdown activist and vocal critic of Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews – launched a crowd fundraiser for her legal defence [...] The crowd sourcing campaign showed it had raised $247,000 in just five days despite some of Ms Smit’s legal team working pro-Bono.
    • Our article: Upon Smit's remand in 2021, her ex-partner Morgan Jonas, who was also an anti-lockdown activist and critic of Daniel Andrews, launched a crowdfunding campaign aimed at covering her legal expenses. The campaign raised $247,000 within five days, despite some of Smit’s legal representation being provided pro bono.
    Your quotes were getting parts of our article and the news article mixed together. I agree that the wording I used was a bit similar to the news.com.au article, however it's two sentences from two entirely differently parts of the article. Earwig's copyvio detecter says that there is only 8.3% similarity (with that reference) which I dare say is because of the amount of text used. Please let me know if you think that is outside of tolerance and I will think of ways to reword. TarnishedPathtalk 11:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oops, indeed I did – not quite sure how I managed that. I think my main concern is this phrase: "her partner Morgan Jonas – also an anti-lockdown activist and vocal critic of Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews – launched a crowd fundraiser" vs "her ex-partner Morgan Jonas, who was also an anti-lockdown activist and critic of Daniel Andrews, launched a crowdfunding campaign". See if you think there's a possible rephrasing here, though doing two other spot checks (ref 14 in "Personal life and career", & ref 10 in "Fundraising and legal consequences"), this looks to be a one-off, meaning my intial worry, that there could be close paraphrasing elsewhere, has been dispelled. – Michael Aurel (talk) 22:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Michael Aurel, I've reworded "her ex-partner Morgan Jonas, who was also an anti-lockdown activist and critic of Daniel Andrews, launched a crowdfunding campaign" to "her ex-partner Morgan Jonas, also a critic of the Victorian government's COVID-19 response, launched a crowdfunding campaign". Does this sufficiently address your concern? TarnishedPathtalk 03:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That works well. Going through the rest of the criteria, the first hook is interesting, short enough, adequately sourced, and the article otherwise seems fine, so I think I'm happy to pass this. My only query would be whether "nearly" or "close to" should be added into the phrase "legal bill of $250,000" in the hook, as the source seems to say it was close to, but not quite, this amount. – Michael Aurel (talk) 03:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Michael Aurel, I've updated the article to use the term "about" and propose the updated hook bellow.
    TarnishedPathtalk 12:05, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Great. – Michael Aurel (talk) 12:07, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Happy to pass ALT0a, as I'm satisfied all the criteria are now met. – Michael Aurel (talk) 12:07, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Current nominations

    Articles created/expanded on December 12

    Mark Hearld

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    • ... that a Christmas card featuring "a hand-coloured winter thrush" by artist Mark Hearld was included in a 2021 exhibition of Christmas greetings by modern British artists?
    • Source: "How to get my ho-ho-ho mojo back? In their print room, Pallant House in Chichester have mounted an exhibition, Christmas Greetings by Modern British Artists. Here are more than a hundred offerings from Edward Bawden, Ben Nicholson, John Piper and John Craxton. There is a marvellous David Jones engraving of a candlelit mass and Emily Sutton’s cat that got the Christmas pud. Ed Kluz, whose architectural drawings lean towards the gothic (follow him on Instagram), gives us a lovely, lonely city church with a Star of Bethlehem above. Ben Nicholson’s Christmas card of 1939 is a marbled, modernist grid with coolly geometric snowballs, while Gary Hume, once a YBA, moulds a snowman of minimal spheres. Barnett Freedman goes wassailing in his lithographic Christmas card of 1953, Edward Bawden’s linocut lion rampages through the presents and Mark Hearld’s hand-coloured winter thrush rings the round robin changes. There’s a bookmark-shaped Christmas card by Enid Marx wishing recipients not Merry Christmas, but a Happy New Year. Perhaps she was running even later than I am." The Spectator
    Created by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 155 past nominations.

    Thriley (talk) 20:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: No - Not concise enough; see below.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Moved from draftspace five days before nom and sized at 2012 B. Page is reliably sourced and everything is verified. The lede is short, but consider this fix optional. Wasn't sure if the "thrush" was intriguing, but the weirdness and linking of the word helps. However, the hook doesn't feel concise enough and I'm having trouble making a hook that doesn't duplicate "Christmas card" and isn't short, but these two fit the bill enough:

    • ALT1: ... that one of the designs shown at an all-Christmas card exhibition was "a hand-coloured winter thrush" by artist Mark Hearld? Source: Same as ALT0
    • ALT2: ... that "a hand-coloured winter thrush" by artist Mark Hearld appeared on one of the Christmas cards for a specialised exhibition?Source: Same as ALT0

    Oh, and I found another one while checking at Earwig, it's more interesting and this is in case it's not done in time for Christmases Eve or Day.

    @Thriley: Thoughts? ミラP@Miraclepine 00:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Mahra Al Maktoum

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    • ... that Sheikha Mahra Al Maktoum invoked the controversial practice of triple talaq to divorce her husband, which isn't customarily performed by women against men?
      • Reviewed:
    Created by Jolielover (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    jolielover♥talk 05:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • "Rarely performed" seems like it is standard practice, but only rarely occurs. Triple talaq is not rarely performed by women against men, it is never performed, as in it is not even allowed in Islamic law for a woman to divorce her husband that way. Maybe the hook could be worded differently, which makes it clear that she ignored/broke the restriction or law which prevented her from obtaining a divorce that way? AmateurHi$torian (talk) 14:47, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hello Jolielover! Certainly an interesting hook and article; new and long enough and seems to be clear of copyvio. I have tried to copyedit the hook some:
      • ALT0a: ...that Emirati princess Mahra Al Maktoum invoked triple talaq to divorce her husband, which is traditionally only done by the husband?
    I think it's interesting to note that she is a princess and this is more concise, thoughts? Thanks, charlotte 👸🎄 05:53, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Queen of Hearts: I agree, the concise version is a better hook. Thanks! jolielover♥talk 06:37, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    charlotte 👸🎄 06:40, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on December 13

    Madagascar banana

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    • Source: "Only five mature individuals of E. perrieri have been previously identified in the whole of Madagascar, and a recent survey has suggested that now only three of these may be left (Analavelona, Ampefy and Maintirano areas)." https://www.kew.org/read-and-watch/madagascan-banana
    • ALT1: ... that the Madagascar banana is critically endangered? Source: https://www.kew.org/read-and-watch/madagascan-banana
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: No QPQ required as Laffuble will own this DYK as you can see from talk page. I (Chidgk1) just put it in for them and will deal with any questions they might be unsure about being relatively new to Wikipedia
    Created by Laffuble (talk).

    Chidgk1 (talk) 16:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook eligibility:

    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Hello Laffuble, welcome to DYK, I hope you have a wonderful time here! I have a few concerns regarding the article which I will outline below, and will ping Chidgk1 since there are outstanding inquiries about the state of this article:
    ALT0 is truthfully the most interesting of the two hooks proposed. Plenty of things out there are critically endangered, it is a conservation category onto itself. The severely restricted population serves as a much better hook. However, the hook as it stands right now is not supported by the material within the article and the source, which states there are five mature individuals rather than three. I will strike ALT1 from consideration.
    iNaturalist is not a good source for the plant's morphology, nor is Rarepalmseeds, which is a site with commercial interests. A much better source for that information is either a study or the original description, if it can be located. iNaturalist's image gallery being a source falls into WP:OR. Google Scholar is a helpful source for finding research papers regarding Ensete perrieri, if you're stuck finding trustworthy sources.
    Earwig detects no copyvio issues, long enough, and new enough. I hope this can be of help to you! Ornithoptera (talk) 07:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Ornithoptera: We have made some changes - is it ok now?

    Chidgk1 My apologies but I see that you have simply replaced the problematic sources for the “Description” section, rather than consulting the source and making the necessary changes to the article using the information presented there. That will not be enough to allow for the article to pass scrutiny. Would you be able to take a look at the source rather than simply replacing the original citations? In addition, the hook has not been updated per my request, since it is not supported by the article text. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've taken a look at the cited article and the description for E. perrieri is as follows: Ensete perrieri (Claverie) comb. nov. ; Musa perrieri P. Claverie in Comptes Rendus Acad. Sci. Paris 140 (1905), 1612, nomen, et in Ann. us. Colon. Marseille ser. 2, vol. 7 (1909), p. 74, descr. cum ic. t. 8., this will not serve as a viable source for the passage. I would be most ideal to first consult with the source before using it in the article. I noticed that you and Laffuble had issues with accessing sources, the Wikipedia library at WP:LIB, if you have made enough edits, can be a great resource since it has institutional access to several journals that can be of use. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:16, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Ornithoptera: Thanks for explaining Wikipedia Library. Have added quote for hook - is hook OK now? If there are any remaining problems with the description please could you comment in the talk page section below this as it is easier to reply.Chidgk1 (talk) 08:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi, Chidgk1, I really want to emphasize to you and Laffuble that you should both read the issues I have outlined with the article. Only a few significant edits that I have outlined have been addressed properly, I will break the issues down line by line so that it can be easier to guide you in going about the necessary edits.
    1. The text in the original description section has not been changed to match the source. The source was simply replaced, with the passage's text not significantly changed to address the new source. On top of this, Annales du Muśee colonial de Marseille does not explicitly identify this as E. perrieri. Unless the source is beyond a reasonable doubt that it is E. perrieri, it is not the most ideal. I would emphasize that it is most ideal to have the entire section re-written and updated to reflect sources that explicitly include a description of E. perrieri.

    Laffuble Are you able to deal with this? If you are at uni maybe the librarian there can advise? I don't think there is any rush now so if you cannot fix it please contact me after Xmas and I will root around in the Wikipedia library mentioned above.

    1. iNaturalist is not a reliable source. It is a social media site that provides valuable insight, but the information cannot be considered reliable as anyone can upload an observation and provide faulty information.

    @Ornithoptera: You are right that most info on iNaturalist is from members of the public so should not be cited, however the few photos which they classify as "research grade" are reliable in my opinion. If you disgree I will be happy to start a discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard so we can get more thoughts on it. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I really want to assist this DYK make it through, but I really would like to have all necessary edits be done before I am alerted to allow for it to pass. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Tarif-i Husain Shahi

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    • ... that in the illustrated manuscript Tarif-i Husain Shahi, the image of the queen sitting on the king's lap was washed away by her son?
    • Source: Michell, George; Zebrowski, Mark (1999-06-10). Architecture and Art of the Deccan Sultanates (PDF). Cambridge University Press. p. 147. Partly scratched away but still visible, perched on the sultan's knee like the consort of a Hindu god, it must be Khanzada Humayun (Fig. 108). The portraits document her rise and fall, for, like the other two Muslim women who managed to rule India, Nur Jahan and Raziya Sultana, her fortunes ultimately suffered a terrible reversal. Painted into the manuscript in 1565, at the height of her influence, her figure must have been removed in 1569, when, after four years of rule as regent, she was imprisoned by her rebellious son, anxious to accede to his father's throne. We further assume that the vandal, not realising that the heroine of the dohada page was also the queen, as the king does not accompany her, left it undisturbed
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: Please feel free to make changes to the alt; Its wording seems a bit awkward to me
    Created by AmateurHi$torian (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    AmateurHi$torian (talk) 19:05, 13 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • ALT1 = ... that the illustrated manuscript Tarif-i Husain Shahi contains one of the rare depictions of a queen in Islamic art?" Source: Michell, George; Zebrowski, Mark (1999-06-10). Architecture and Art of the Deccan Sultanates (PDF). Cambridge University Press. p. 145. The text stresses the rule of both Husain and Khanzada Humayun. Such political prominence was rare for women in Islamic society in India and the Middle East, and female portraiture did not exist. Female figures in Persian miniatures are the heroines of poetic romance, not real women. The Tarif proves to be deeply unorthodox and highly significant, for the queen herself appears in six of its twelve illustrations!

    Decolonization is Not a Metaphor

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    • Source: Combination of Indigenous sovereignty was never ceded, and the continued presence of settlers is essentially illegitimate. [29] and [30] which explains how "Decolonization is Not a Metaphor". The paper itself as a primary source also supports the first part of the hook.
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    Created by Chess (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 05:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Thus far, I have been unable to verify that the paper "calls for the return of the United States to indigenous sovereignty." Neither of the two sources you cite above appear to support the statement, they just say the paper calls for a stricter interpretation of the meaning of the word "decolonization", which is a very different thing. Gatoclass (talk) 22:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Gatoclass: That's a very good point. What about "views the United States as fundamentally illegitimate?" Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 22:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, you would need a source for that statement. Gatoclass (talk) 22:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gatoclass: This is very verbose, but what about that the title of a paper describing the continued presence of non-indigenous in the United States as being illegitimate has become a slogan for pro-Palestinian protestors? The claim that settler presence in the United States is supported by the source, the only thing I've done is explained "settler" as being "non-Indigenous" because the average person would be more likely to understand that. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 05:46, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, a quote from a source confirming the hook statement would be required at minimum. But these suggestions thus far all look a little tortured to me. How about keeping it simple and straightforward, something like:
    ALT4: ... that the title of a 2012 academic paper, "Decolonization is Not a Metaphor", has been adopted as a slogan by pro-Palestinian protestors? Gatoclass (talk) 06:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gatoclass: Sure, that works. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 06:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Having looked a little more closely at the article, I'm not sure your interpretation of the paper is accurate. Certainly, it's a difficult text to come to grips with - at least for me, as it contains a lot of academic jargon that tends to obscure the authors' meaning to a non-professional in the field. But for example, you state: "Tuck argues that ... because the existence of settlers on stolen land is illegitimate [it] must be redressed by decolonization". Did he really say that? Because I would have thought that if he had, the paper would be more notorious than merely influential. On the other hand, if he is only saying that that's what decolonization must mean, he is simply defining a term rather than arguing in favour of it, and there is a world of difference between the two.

    However, since most of the article is sourced directly to the paper itself, without clarifying quotes, it's hard to know whether your interpretation is accurate. I'm not even entirely sure if the paper itself doesn't count as a primary source here, which might also be problematic.

    So, is there any chance you could provide some actual quotes from the paper, or better still perhaps, reliable secondary sources that have written about it, in order to clarify the point? Because I think it's obviously an important distinction to get right. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 06:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Gatoclass: The article is far from perfect and I welcome suggestions to improve it as I'm less experienced than I should be with writing from scratch.
    I looked into this when you raised it the first time. The closest thing in the text I can find right now is We don’t intend to discourage those who have dedicated careers and lives to teaching themselves and others to be critically conscious of racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, xenophobia, and settler colonialism. We are asking them/you to consider how the pursuit of critical consciousness, the pursuit of social justice through a critical enlightenment, can also be settler moves to innocence - diversions, distractions, which relieve the settler of feelings of guilt or responsibility, and conceal the need to give up land or power or privilege. (emphasis mine)
    So, the authors explicitly acknowledge a need for settlers to give up land. Likewise, page 10 of the paper criticizes decolonial scholars that enable "settler moves to innocence". I will likely have to make the article more directly explain what Tuck and Yang said, with better inline citations.
    Also, Eve Tuck is a woman with she/her pronouns (at least on her website). Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 07:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Gatoclass: This is a bit of a drive-by comment (I haven't looked closely at the wiki article itself), but as someone from this academic discipline who has often seen this article cited/discussed in the field, I'd say it's completely accurate to say that "Tuck argues that ... because the existence of settlers on stolen land is illegitimate [it] must be redressed by decolonization", that the article "views the United States as fundamentally illegitimate", and that "the return of the United States to indigenous sovereignty" is what "decolonization" ought to mean. The impact of the article is more like "let's stop saying we're decolonizing when we're just close-reading a novel" than it is "let's decolonize the US for real immediately!" but I haven't seen any exaggerations or misinterpretation of its argument here. I do think ALT4 is the clearest and best hook, though. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 04:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Sorry, but we can't base content-related decisions on the testimony of wikipedia editors, we need reliable sources to verify content. So again, either clear quotes from the article that the authors are actually endorsing decolonization of the US, or critiques from reliable secondary sources supporting such an interpretation (although other interpretations would also have to be included if they exist to provide balance). Gatoclass (talk) 07:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on December 14

    Shō Taikyū

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    • ... that the Okinawan king Shō Taikyū was reportedly protected by an all-female bodyguard?
    • Source: Smits, Gregory (2019). Maritime Ryukyu, 1050–1650. Honolulu: University of Hawai'i Press. doi:10.2307/j.ctvsrfmz. ISBN 9780824877095. p. 93
    Smits, Gregory (2024). Early Ryukyuan History: A New Model. Honolulu: University of Hawai'i Press. doi:10.2307/jj.8441682. ISBN 9780824898205. p. 211
    Improved to Good Article status by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 93 past nominations.

    Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 07:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Recently promoted GA. Hook is interesting and cited. No copyvio detected. QPQ done. I don't see any issues with this hook or the article. Nice work! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The Valiant Girl White Rose

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    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 722 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:12, 14 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Reviewing this as a QPQ requirement. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is almost good to go:
      • Article is long and new enough.
      • Article is well-sourced
      • Article passes Earwig tool.
      • Most of the article is sourced on books that are not available online. I can accept this AGF. Article subject does exist.
      • Article is presentable; no tags at all.
      • Hook is short enough
      • Hook is mildly interesting, but can possibly be rewritten to be hookier. I would suggest having a cast and characters section to drive home this fact, showing Wu Suxin who plays Bai Suyin are both "white roses".
      • Photo in article is appropriately tagged.
      • QPQ has been done
      • There are no other issues.
    • Howard the Duck (talk) 00:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article already has "The title of the film, The Valiant Girl White Rose, drew both on the name of its star and on contemporary vernacular. Wu Suxin was also active under the name White Rose Woo,[4] though in the film the name is associated with Bai Suyin's propensity for wearing roses." I don't see how a cast and crew section will help. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on December 15

    The Man in the Yellow Tie

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    Created by OlifanofmrTennant (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.

    Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:08, 16 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Daniel Hermann (humanist)

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    Moved to mainspace by Yakikaki (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 145 past nominations.

    Yakikaki (talk) 16:13, 15 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Everything checks out. Article is new enough, long enough, no problems detected with Earwig. Hook is cited in the sources and interesting. The article prose is engaging and well written. My only criticism is that the use of inter alia in the hook seems entirely unnecessary, but it's not a deal breaker. Since the hook length is currently 194 characters, I would recommend removing it. I love what you've done here. Good work. Please review my copyedits. I removed "the" Fraser syndrome from the article and the hook. I do not believe the hook violates WP:DYKFICTION, as the sources indicate these are real topics covered by the creative works, not fictional ones. Viriditas (talk) 11:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on December 16

    Dethloff Willrodt

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    Created by Aquabluetesla (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Aquabluetesla (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: @Aquabluetesla: charlotte 👸🎄 00:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Limia, GAARlandia

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    Limia tridens male
    Limia tridens male
    • ... that limias (L. tridens pictured) and other freshwater fish and land vertebrates are controversially hypothesized to have colonized the Caribbean islands via a mysterious land bridge?
    Improved to Good Article status by Surtsicna (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 187 past nominations.

    Surtsicna (talk) 22:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: I just saw the Limia page on the recent list of Good Articles (congrats btw!), so I had to give this double nom a look. There is just one minor thing I'd fix: either beside or at the end of the sentence containing the direct quote "weak and non-existent" in the GAAR article, could you put a citation? Other than that, everything else checks out and I'd be happy to pass this. Cheers! Johnson524 09:50, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Of course. Done. Thank you for noticing limias! :) Surtsicna (talk) 11:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Approved for both hooks, cheers! Johnson524 22:48, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    2014–15 College Football Playoff

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    Improved to Good Article status by PCN02WPS (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 82 past nominations.

    PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:41, 16 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Should it be specified to be American history? The current wording is vague and doesn't state if it was worldwide or just in the US. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Narutolovehinata5: the source wording is a little vague as well: Ohio State’s 42-20 victory over Oregon at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas – averaged 33,395,000 viewers and an 18.2 US household rating, according to Nielsen, delivering both the largest audience and highest rating in cable television history. The Nielsen rating is definitely US-only and I think the same is true for the viewers but it's not explicitly stated one way or the other. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Given that it is an exceptional claim and given with the circumstances it will almost certainly find scrutiny on WT:DYK and/or WP:ERRORS, it may be for the best to propose a new hook using a totally different angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Amata of Assisi

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    5x expanded by Figureskatingfan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 53 past nominations.

    Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:41, 16 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Article is new and long enough. Both hooks are present in the article, interesting, and sourced. The rest of the article's sourcing looks good as well. Earwig returns nearly 25%, though most all from direct quotes. My only issue with this is a lack of attribution, particularly using It was said..., which is sort of a meaningless expression - it would be great if you could replace that with the attribution of the quote. QPQs are needed - since you have over 20 DYK credits and we're in backlog mode, you'll need two. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:32, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PCN02WPS: wow that was fast. I will take care of your comments and complete the QPQs, probably by end of the day tomorrow. Thanks for the review. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PCN02WPS:, both QPQs done. Thanks, Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Awesome! Just the "it was said" issue above (It was said that Amata's decision to become a nun was an answer to her aunt's prayers... - the quote in that line needs attribution) and then we should be GTG. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh, right. All done, thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 06:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PCN02WPS:. TSventon (talk) 20:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    sweet! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on December 17

    Flag of Okinawa Prefecture

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    Flag of Okinawa Prefecture
    Flag of Okinawa Prefecture
    • Source: 沖縄のシンボル [Symbols of Okinawa]. Okinawa Prefecture Official Website (in Japanese). Okinawa Prefectural Government. Retrieved December 17, 2024.
    Created by Yue (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 26 past nominations.

    Yue🌙 10:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Very well sourced and illustrated article! New enough, long enough, and both hooks are interesting (but I have a personal interest in ALT1). The only thing I did not go fully in-depth on was all the sources, as many are in Japanese, and in that case I am AGF because I don't speak the language. Thank you for your quality contributions, cheers! Johnson524 10:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    1925 Tri-State tornado

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    Track of the 1925 Tri-State tornado
    • ... that the 1925 Tri-State tornado (track pictured) had a path length of 219 miles (352 km) across three states?
    Converted from a redirect by EF5 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

    EF5 15:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Per WP:DYKSPLIT, splits from non-new articles are not considered "recently created"; instead, they are treated as expansions from the copied material. Since the third revision seems to be the point where you switched from copying to writing new prose, I'll calculate from there. That version had 23601 characters of prose, and the current version has 26147 – nowhere near close to a fivefold expansion. However, I see that you have nominated the article for GA; if it passes, that would make it eligible for DYK. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jlwoodwa: GA passed. Do you still mind reviewing? EF5 16:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: No - ALT3 is not present in the article. I don't think the phrase also called the Great Tri-State Tornado (from the "Kids Britannica" source) supports ALT4's claim of often refered to.
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: No - I'm not sure about ALT0's status as a "definite fact" (WP:DYKHOOK), given the extensive doubts described in 1925 Tri-State tornado § Legacy. Similarly, ALT2 is present and sourced in the article, but then contradicted in the same paragraph.
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: @EF5: You gave two online sources for ALT1 and ALT5, but the article cites different, offline sources for their claims. This isn't a huge deal, since {{DYKtickAGF}} exists, but it would feel a little silly to use that when online sources are right here. Regardless, once the unsourced sentence is resolved I'm ready to approve either hook. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

     Done, removed uncited claim. EF5 06:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @EF5: Sorry for missing this earlier – I just realized that while ALT1 (deadliest US tornado) is stated in the lead (without citation), I can't find it in the body. 1925 Tri-State tornado § Fatalities compares it with other tornadoes, e.g. more students killed … than in any other tornadic event in U.S. history and killed at least 20 farm owners … more than the combined total of the next four deadliest tornadoes in the history of the United States, but doesn't compare the total deaths. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Autoflow

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    Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 202 past nominations.

    Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: @Maury Markowitz: A few issues: (i) there is a maintenance tag on the article, as it has no categories – this needs to be fixed; and (ii) could you provide a direct quote verifying it as the first software patent? In the cited article I read that "In 1968, Goetz applied for a patent for the program; in 1970, it was one of the earliest software product patents granted." Might be missing it, but I'm not seeing it explicitly referred to as the first, as opposed to one of the earliest. Add categories and let me know the part of the source confirming it as the first and this should be good. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Well caught, wrong link. I can't seem to cut and paste from PDFs any more, so if you go here and scroll to page 10 you will see "for the first time computer software is being covered by a patent from the U.S. Patent Office. Autoflow... is to be the first patented program." Worth noting that this was not Goetz's first software-related patent, he got another in 1968 for a sorting system but that was not "a program" in the sense this is. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, I think this should be good to go now. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:31, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Jahangir Preferring a Sufi Shaikh to Kings

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    Jahangir Preferring a Sufi Shaikh to Kings
    • ... that a painting (pictured) depicts the Mughal emperor Jahangir preferring a Sufi saint to the Ottoman sultan and the king of England?
    • Source: Smee, Sebastian (2021-03-03). "A Mughal masterpiece". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on 2024-07-28. Retrieved 2024-12-08. It shows Jahangir, the great Mughal emperor and patron of the arts, sitting cross-legged on a throne that takes the form of a European hourglass. Beneath him are four people, slightly smaller in scale. The lower one is Bichitr, the artist who painted it. Above him are King James I of England, the Sultan of Turkey and – uppermost at left, the object of Jahangir's rapt attention – Shaikh Hussain. Shaikh Hussain was a Sufi descendant of the revered saint Khwaja Mu'in-ud-Din Chishti. It was to this saint's shrine that the emperor Akbar once prayed for a son. Jahangir himself was the happy result. One of the Persian couplets that appear in cartouches above and below states: "To all appearances, even as kings and potentates stand in attendance upon him, his gaze falls, inwardly, ever upon holy dervishes." In other words, Jahangir – for all his immense worldly power, evoked by the magnificent jewels on his fingers and the transparent delicacy of his body-clinging jacket, or "jama" – knew what mattered.
    Beach, Milo Cleveland (1981). The imperial image: paintings for the Mughal court. Freer Gallery of Art, Washington. pp. 168–169. Ettinghausen argued that it is precisely this choice of holy men over secular rulers, of the divine over the mundane, that is the subject of the illustration. He notes the putti above, who seem both dazzled by Jahangir's splendor and distressed that their emblems of worldly sovereignty are rejected
    5x expanded by AmateurHi$torian (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

    AmateurHi$torian (talk) 14:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • The article was nominated the day it was expanded. It is long enough, the sources are cited throughout, and the image is obviously in public domain. I see a potential for a much more interesting hook, however. AmateurHi$torian, would it not be possible to expand the article about the painter as well and nominate it along with this article? There is an opportunity for a nice double hook. Can we also get some commentary on how Jahangir appears to spurn the monarchs? I see it in RS and it is hinted at in the title but it is not elaborated on in the text. I would suggest noting that the painter inserted himself into the painting, and/or that the painting of King James was used to depict him spurned. Also, it seems quite obvious to me that a photo of the painting should be included in the hook. Surtsicna (talk) 16:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Added an image to the nomination. Added some mention of how the kings and the artist are all spurned in favour of the holy man in the article. Also started to expand Bichitr.
    A double-hooked alt could be ALT1 "... that a painting (pictured) by the artist Bichitr shows the Mughal emperor Jahangir preferring a Sufi saint over the king of England and the Ottoman sultan?" or ALT2 "... that a painting (pictured) by the artist Bichitr shows the Mughal emperor Jahangir attending to a Sufi saint even as the king of England and the Ottoman sultan stand in the audience?"AmateurHi$torian (talk) 00:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article about Bichitr has come along very nicely. It is sufficiently and recently expanded, and is wonderfully sourced. My spot checks have not uncovered close paraphrasing issues. Thank you for taking the time to expand this one too! There is so much coverage about both the painting and Bichitr that I am surprised it took so long to flesh out these articles; I also think the abundance of sources makes it possible to turn these into Good or Featured Articles. I have made some minor MoS changes to the hooks. Both alt hooks are suitable, but ALT1 is more concise and so takes precedence. Perhaps a simpler hook would capture the attention of more readers: ALT3 "... that an Indian emperor spurns the king of England and the Turkish sultan in a painting (pictured) by the Indian artist Bichitr?" Surtsicna (talk) 11:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT3 is fine by me as well, perhaps even better to replace "Indian emperor" in place of Mughal as people might not know about the Mughal empire. Thanks for the review :) AmateurHi$torian (talk) 13:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on December 18

    Debris fallout

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    • ... that debris lofted by tornadoes has been known to rise over 6 km (3.7 mi) into the atmosphere and can be transported up to 353 km (219 mi) away?
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: The height range for the Super Outbreak was 5.5 to 6.5 kilometres, so I went with the figure of 6.0. Probably one of the most interesting tornado science-related topics that exists.
    Created by Departure– (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Departure– (talk) 18:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • I am afraid I have concerns here related to article size. Only 100 words are in the prose section, which also doubles as the lead and is just a single paragraph. Then the rest of the article is a list of events grouped under 'notable events', which, a) is in the bullet point format (and thus not counted by the prose size checker), and b) is problematic - notable according to whom? This is a list with no clear criteria. Overall, I am afraid this article is just too short for a DYK - it does not have a lead section. Please ping me if this is expanded to at least have 250 words of non-bulleted prose, and I'll comment here again. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Western Kentucky University swim team hazing scandal

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    Improved to Good Article status by JJonahJackalope (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 55 past nominations.

    JJonahJackalope (talk) 18:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Rockwell PPS-8

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    Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 203 past nominations.

    Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Looks good — Interesting read. C F A 04:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Overcrowd: A Commute 'Em Up

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    Created by CanonNi (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: No - Neither hook is stated in the article.
    • Interesting: No - See comment below.
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Both sources are cited in the article, but neither hook is stated. ALT0 is interesting but could use a bit more context, namely what kind of video game is it and what kind of stations? I suggest this rewording to the nominator and promoter:

    ... that in the simulation video game Overcrowd: A Commute 'Em Up, the player needs to manage everything from the construction of train stations to dumping trash cans?

    ALT0 is interesting because the latter activity, dumping trash, is not typically an enjoyably activity and so it would be odd to put it in a video game that is meant to entertain. ALT1 seems quite weak to me in comparison, as none of the listed items are unusual for actual train stations to have.

    As soon as ALT0 is stated in the article, I will approve that hook for this nomination. Yue🌙 02:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Aon v Australian National University

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    Moved to mainspace by MaxnaCarta (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.

    — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • @MaxnaCarta: New enough and long enough. QPQ present. Lyons p558 checks out as the source. (Have you thought about shortened footnotes with how often you cite that source?) I just wish the hook was a little more, uh, hooky. Right now, it's as dry as Mt Stromlo before the bushfires. Can we try something like this? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT1: ... that Aon v Australian National University overturned a precedent that encouraged litigation-prolonging amendments to pleadings?
    @Sammi Brie: Thanks alot for reviewing. Footnotes will be changed if I nom for GA, definitely. Im happy with the proposed alt hook. Thanks! — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on December 19

    Special occasion holding area

    See also: WP:SOHA

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