Template:Did you know nominations/Ethanoligenens harbinense
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 17:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
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Ethanoligenens harbinense
... that bacteria can produce fuel?
- Reviewed:
5x expanded by Hmsuth4770 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Hmsuth4770 (talk) 17:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
Not a 5x expansion. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Technically, it's not far off, but either way it's a few hundred off 1,500 characters and very stubby. I say give @Hmsuth4770: a chance.--Launchballer 22:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Ian (Wiki Ed), this actually almost a 5x expansion: 235 prose characters prior to the recent edits, and 1102 at present (5x would be 1175). However, it fails to meet the 1500 prose character minimum required of every article nominated for DYK. When nominators come up short—mainly because they're not counting prose characters, which DYK check can count for you—we typically allow them to expand the nominated article, if they can do so in a timely manner. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset Thanks for double-checking. I always just assume Shubinator's tool is correct on the expansion. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've emailed them, because students don't always check messages all that often. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Ian (Wiki Ed) and Hmsuth4770: Please address the above.--Launchballer 02:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Technically, it's not far off, but either way it's a few hundred off 1,500 characters and very stubby. I say give @Hmsuth4770: a chance.--Launchballer 22:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
The hook as currently written probably violates MOS:EGG as it suggests it's about bacteria as a whole when in fact it's talking about a specific species of bacteria. The hook will need adjustment. Note that the nominator hasn't edited since the 11th and seemingly did not respond to Ian, so the nomination may have to be closed if no one is willing to adopt this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Ian (Wiki Ed): Following up: did they respond to your e-mail? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: - I didn't hear back from them directly, but they did make an edit to the article after that, which I assumed was a response. But I may have been wrong. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Without an active editor taking care of this nomination and being on standby/duty to address concerns, that's an issue. It's a shame since the length issues appear to have been addressed, but with no one actually active working on the article, it appears that (like many other WikiEdu student nominations), the nomination has been abandoned. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: - I didn't hear back from them directly, but they did make an edit to the article after that, which I assumed was a response. But I may have been wrong. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Ian (Wiki Ed): Following up: did they respond to your e-mail? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Two new hooks to consider:
ALT1 that some bacteria can produce fuel?ALT2 that some bacteria can produce hydrogen from waste?
- Still too easter eggy I think. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't quite follow. The page is about a species of bacteria that metabolises glucose to make hydrogen (a biofuel). So the hook seems to me to be sufficiently precise to be factually correct? Chaiten1 (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Although accurate, the hook suggests that it's multiple species of bacteria rather than a specific species of bacteria (which was the main hook fact), hence the EGG concerns. One possible way to fix the hook would be to simply spell out the species name, the other could be wording like "... that a species of bacteria" for precision. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:59, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you - I see this now! Three more ALTs below:
- I don't quite follow. The page is about a species of bacteria that metabolises glucose to make hydrogen (a biofuel). So the hook seems to me to be sufficiently precise to be factually correct? Chaiten1 (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Still too easter eggy I think. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
ALT3 that some species of bacteria can produce fuel?ALT4 that some species of bacteria can produce hydrogen from waste?- ALT5 ... that the bacterium Ethanoligenens harbinense can produce hydrogen?
- Might be best to stick to ALT5 for precision purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
As this has been stuck for a while and a new editor has agreed to adopt the nomination, this is still in need of a full review. To make things clear: due to concerns about precision/generalization regarding the hook subject (i.e. EGG concerns), all hooks have been struck except for ALT5. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Let's unstick this. After the 5x expansion, the article is (just) long enough. It cites reliable sources, is NPOV, and has no CV concerns that I spotted on accessible sources. ALT5, the only remaining hook, is interesting and cited in the article. Abstract of the citation checks out, although I can't access the full thing. QPQ not required. Looks good to go. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
