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[edit]Category:German abbesses
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:German abbesses to Category:German nuns
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
CommentOppose. I was indifferent. My inclination would be to upmerge Category:German Christian abbesses to Category:German abbesses , but I don't feel strongly about it. However, now that I've looked closer, I've realized that there were several other categories in here. I've reverted the changes where Marco placed Category:10th-century German abbesses, Category:11th-century German abbesses into German Christian abbesses. Mason (talk) 18:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)- That does not make sense. All German abbesses of these centuries were abbesses of Christian monasteries. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think that you weren't transparent that you moved the categories deeper into the tree. You could have argued that the categories overlap, which is a reasonable argument. However that's not what you nominated here; you said that the category was a redundant. The category is called Category:11th-century German abbesses, not Category:11th-century German Christian abbesses. Mason (talk) 00:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- That does not make sense. All German abbesses of these centuries were abbesses of Christian monasteries. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep now that it has been correctly repopulated. See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_16#Early_abbots_by_century dealing with the same underlying issue ("they were all Christian"). Perhaps a better nomination would be to upmerge the by-century triple-intersection subcats e.g. Category:11th-century German abbesses to 11th-century abbesses, 11th-century German nuns, and German Roman Catholic abbesses where not already in a more specific subcat. Note that Template:Abbesses by nationality and century category header would then become obsolete. – Fayenatic London 11:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Free compilers and interpreters
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 21#Category:Free compilers and interpreters
Category:Bantu
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 21#Category:Bantu
Category:MP's for High Peak
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- The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. – Fayenatic London 12:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: For consistency with similar categories such as Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for Derby. Dave.Dunford (talk) 17:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Thanks. Is it worth me withdrawing and renominating or shall I let it take its course? The guidelines for renaming a Wikipedia category (which I've not done before) are not clear. Dave.Dunford (talk) 09:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Better just let it takes its course now. Fortunately, discussions here at full CfD are closed much quicker now than in the past. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Thanks. Is it worth me withdrawing and renominating or shall I let it take its course? The guidelines for renaming a Wikipedia category (which I've not done before) are not clear. Dave.Dunford (talk) 09:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:List of gangs in Belgium
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Convert Category:List of gangs in Belgium to article List of gangs in Belgium
- Nominator's rationale: Please advise if this is the wrong way to handle it when discovering a list article that was created in category space. DB1729talk 17:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. I think this is a perfectly reasonable, and creative use of CFD. Mason (talk) 00:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Support per nom.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 14 October 2024 (UTC)- Milliegom I also think it should be converted yeah , thats completly true. 19:25 15/10/2024 CET — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milliegom (talk • contribs) 17:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete without converting This is a poorly-sourced (cites to Wikipedia, really?) WP:NOTDIR-violating mess. We can save the trouble of sending it to a doomed AfD and delete it here and now. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:52, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with deletion. Earlier I had not checked the sourcing. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Milliegom The source you are talking about with being some wikipedia pages are for example MC's they are already on different wikipedia pages mentioned like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gangs_in_Belgium so this is why I linked their pages to there. Also for the other not all of the groups have available sources but can be found in police documents and other things on the internet and local information wich can not be sourced. (NOTE : It has been sources/reffrenced since for some reason the linking wouldnt work) 17:02 18 October 2024 (CET) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milliegom (talk • contribs) 15:02, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Bohemian royal saints
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- The result of the discussion was: Already Deleted. (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 00:48, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Self-requested deletion of empty category Векочел (talk) 15:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:City of Albany, Western Australia
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- The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 00:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:City of Albany, Western Australia to Category:City of Albany
- Nominator's rationale: Bring in line with the parent article, City of Albany. Calistemon (talk) 15:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw, just noticed that this was rejected in March 2021 (Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 February 11) after previously being proposed by me. Calistemon (talk) 15:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Nazi war crimes against children
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Nazi war crimes against children to Category:Nazi crimes against children
- Nominator's rationale: I suggest removing "war" from the title. I recently wrote Nazi crimes against children and I did not notice the term war crime used often. Some items discussed in my article, like Child euthanasia in Nazi Germany. Now, we could argue that the current category is a subcat of the one I propose, but I am not sure if the sources really support existence of both, and if splitting Nazi war crimes against children from Nazi crimes against children makes much sense. To make things more confusing, category wise, Child euthanasia in Nazi Germany (article), a concept which predates WWII, is a child of the nominated category through the Children in the Holocaust intermedia category. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, not that I think a name change is necessary, but I'm fine with it if you want to match the article title to it. AHI-3000 (talk) 06:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Arrowverse character redirects
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Covers the same scope, no need to have two cats. The "redirects to lists" cat is the primary one auto generated by redirect templates and is used more often. There was agreement that both are not needed in this discussion from three years ago, though no movement was made then. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, seems trivial, all subcategories are already named "to lists". Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Current justices of the Supreme Court of the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Categorizing "current" officials separately is not a useful thing to do, as explained in very extensive previous CfD discussions. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support delete per nom. Mason (talk) 21:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Wikipedia pages with colour accessibility problems
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- The result of the discussion was: reverse merge, renaming the old page over the new one. – Fayenatic London 10:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: How is this page different from Category:Wikipedia articles with colour accessibility problems. The template might need to be fixed. {{cleanup colors}} Mason (talk) 01:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think we should merge it the other way instead, since all articles are pages and not all pages are articles. The pages category includes templates. SomeoneDreaming (talk) 02:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Either merge and create a separate templates category, or reverse merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- My preference is to merge and create a templates category. @SomeoneDreaming created the new category "pages" without any discussion. (So even if the name stays, we should merge and then rename back to preserve the edit history). A separate templates category would be fine with me. Mason (talk) 21:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. I have no concern about which direction the merge happens, but "pages" is the appropriate final name as color issues can happen in articles, templates, categories, files, modules, and perhaps elsewhere. I don't see any advantages to splitting those into separate catagories. Thisisnotatest (talk) 21:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge per SomeoneDreaming – if the category is going to contain non-mainspace pages it should be use pages. I agree with Mason that we should keep the older category (Category:Wikipedia articles with colour accessibility problems with the newer name Category:Wikipedia pages with colour accessibility problems. I will tag Category:Wikipedia articles with colour accessibility problems. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and tidy up page history. From 18 to 31 December 2009 there was Category:Articles overusing colours, which got deleted per WP:CSD#C1. I recreated the category on 22 March 2011, with the same name. Between 3 and 7 December 2013 the category was renamed (using the old copy-paste-delete method that is now obsolete) to Category:Wikipedia articles with colour accessibility problems, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 September 21#Category:Articles overusing colours. So for nearly eleven years there was one category, Category:Wikipedia articles with colour accessibility problems, and all pages bearing
{{overcoloured}}
/{{overcolored}}
were in that category. Then on 27 September 2024 (just over three weeks ago), Thisisnotatest (talk · contribs) started Template talk:Overcoloured#Broaden scope of overcoloured maintenance category to include templates and files following on from which they created Category:Wikipedia pages with colour accessibility problems and amended the templates to pick one category or the other, according to namespace. All of this came during a stint of edits that Thisisnotatest was making, concerning colour accessibility. A number of discussions were started on various pages, some of which overlapped with one another, and it was hard to keep track of what was going on. One of these was Category talk:Wikipedia articles with colour accessibility problems#Replacing "articles" with "pages" and I still feel that way. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Slavery by war
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 20#Category:Slavery by war
Category:Pages with accessibility problems
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Accessibility issue tracking categories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Accessibility_issue_tracking_categories) SomeoneDreaming (talk) 01:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. This should be merged to Category:Accessibility issue tracking categories, otherwise the child category will be isolated. Mason (talk) 01:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per Mason. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge. It appears that deleting would do no harm, as the one subcategory Category:Wikipedia pages with colour accessibility problems appears on both Category:Pages with accessibility problems and Category:Accessibility issue tracking categories. If I am mistaken, then merging would definitely avoid harm. Thisisnotatest (talk) 21:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Thisisnotatest. Functionally equivalent to merge. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Noblewomen in the Holy Roman Empire
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Noblewomen from the Holy Roman Empire. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This was opposed at speedy. C2C: parent is Nobility of the Holy Roman Empire and the norm is of, instead of from. (I'm equally fine with Noblewomen from the Holy Roman Empire) Mason (talk) 01:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Pinging contributor @Johnpacklambert:Mason (talk) 01:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Prefer "from", that is the most often used. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Happy to have it be 'from'. Mason (talk) 21:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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