Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Jersey Youth Symphony

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The result was keep. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:32, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New Jersey Youth Symphony

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Does not meet WP:ORG. My searches can only find press release/routine announcement type stories about this organization, no significant coverage. 331dot (talk) 12:28, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:33, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:33, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:06, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP According to an Austrian website The New Jersey Youth Symphony features fourteen ensembles, available by audition for students in grades 3 – 12. Its premiere ensemble, Youth Symphony, was awarded first place in the prestigious 2014 Summa Cum Laude International Youth Music Festival and has appeared in such internationally renowned concert halls as Carnegie Hall in New York City, J.F. Kennedy Center in Washington, DV, Musikverein in Vienna, and Smetana Hall in Prague. The New Jersey Youth Symphony was featured on NJTV’s The State of the Arts and all of its ensembles appeared at the New Jersey Performing Arts Center for its 35th Anniversary gala concert. plus the fact that it has been in existence for 40 bodes well for notability.Djflem (talk) 16:33, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Please link to this "Austrian website". Appearing in notable venues does not grant notability, as notability is not inherited by association. 331dot (talk) 18:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the article: ref 1Djflem (talk) 23:02, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Appearance in world-renowned concerts halls does bestow notabiilty; that's how the performing arts.Djflem (talk) 23:09, 24 September 2019 (UTC) work.Djflem (talk) 23:09, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's only true if there is significant coverage of the performance itself, not just its mere occurrence; press releases or basic announcements do not count. 331dot (talk) 13:06, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:38, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:38, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete All the coverage appears local. Rockphed (talk) 13:00, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Seems like more than enough to satisfy WP:GNG. I just did a first pass at removing some of the promotional language. There are still plenty of issues, but notability doesn't seem to be one of them. A quick comment on "local," though: when the New York Times covers a symphony playing at Carnegie Hall, that's not the kind of source that can be dismissed with "just local coverage." That's a paper that serves a region with more people than most countries, reporting on a venue people travel internationally to play at and attend. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 06:02, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rhododendrites: When the New York Times covers a group playing at Carnegie Hall, it is no different than the Ames Tribune, in Ames Iowa, covering a group playing in the Iowa State University music hall. Just because the New York Times is a national paper does not mean that everything it writes is intended for a national audience. Or do you think that grammar school 94 is notable? Rockphed (talk) 12:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it's different. Not only is it a national paper, but even the metro section covers an area with 35 million people, an above-average-sized country. A small town paper can cover routine goings-on in those areas (proportionate to its size), but there are 2,500 schools in New York City alone and who knows how many thousands elsewhere in the metro area. All of that (combined with all the various politics, weather, transit issues, events, etc.) has to fit in a few pages of that metro section (or otherwise be included in the national version, too). So yes, NYT has a "local" section, but it's absurd to say it's anything like a paper covering Ames, Iowa. So there's no room for smalltown-like coverage. As for grammar school 94 ... to make this point you had to reach back to an 1896 issue... when circulation was a few thousand. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:43, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't have to reach back to 1896. I merely grabbed the first entry I found that met my search conditions, which happened to be from 1896. And every mention of this group (except 1), is in the local section of the NYT as far as I can tell. That one is a review of the aforementioned performance at Carnegie Hall, which is probably in the local events reviews section. Rockphed (talk) 19:10, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PATCH is local, the NYTimes and the Star-Ledger are not.Djflem (talk) 16:10, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as the article has been improved so the promotionalism has been toned down and there is reliable sources coverage in reliable sources such as TNYT imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:28, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We seem to be getting close to a Keep consensus, hopefully another week will add clarity.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 02:18, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pleased to vote keep, as it seems to have won international acclaim, enough to justify passing WP:BAND. 198.255.228.27 (talk) 18:46, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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