Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Essential Mix episodes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Some possible sources were mentioned during the debate but apparently failed to sway any of the "delete" !votes. Some new editors suddenly appearing have have been mostly ignored, especially when ther arguments just boiled down to WP:ILIKEIT. Randykitty (talk) 15:58, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Essential Mix episodes

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Entirely unsourced episode list. Violates WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Jalen Folf (talk) 23:27, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Jalen Folf (talk) 23:27, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome: [1]https://www.mixesdb.com/w/Category:Essential_Mix 88.230.52.78 (talk) 14:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[2]https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/essentialmix/tracklistings2002.shtml

Official episode list archive from 2002 to 2009 88.230.52.78 (talk) 15:00, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These are not sufficient for the issues raised here. BBC is a primary source here and I doubt MixesDB is reliable. Jalen Folf (talk) 18:38, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With small errors, MixesDB can be considered a completely worthy source of information. Alas, BBC does not store such information anywhere from sources known to me. 88.230.52.78 (talk) 15:31, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Radio, and United Kingdom. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:06, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete list should have never been made to begin with. Catfurball (talk) 21:15, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as merging it into Essential Mix would result in excessive size. Yes it is unsourced, but it appears to be sourcable. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:49, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We need to keep this information! 88.230.52.78 (talk) 15:28, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Prove it (if "sourcable"): Fails all relevant notability guidelines. Cross-sea searches might be location biased but there are some mentions of Essential Mix, that already has an article, "The 15 Best", "Mix Of The Day", Essential Mix Podcast, "13 bass-heavy BBC Radio 1 Essential Mixes...", but not one reliable, independent source to validate such a large unsourced article. That Wikipedia is not a TV guide also goes for not being a program or radio guide. Even if there was a source It is an indiscriminate listing. I cannot find information to support keeping an otherwise non-notable article because it can't be merged. Also, Wikipedia is not a repository or fan site and such a compilation of material is synthesis. -- Otr500 (talk) 13:59, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The wiki, meanwhile, may be the only place to have the most accurate list of episodes. Delete 200 lines of text, obviously solve a lot of the world's problems, yeah 88.230.52.78 (talk) 19:50, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (for now) Essential Mix has a cultural significance and reference to a variety of artists within the electronic music genre. BBC Radio 1 had never publicly kept an open database or archives of the specific show which lead to fan based sources that might not be reliable (MixesDB etc) Official BBC twitter account used a Wikipedia page as a source of information back in 2018 [3]Which is an issue of synthesis. 24.212.204.133 (talk) 20:08, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Again, WP:NOTDIRECTORY is the issue here. We are an encyclopedia, not an episode guide. Jalen Folf (talk) 21:11, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To say Wikipedia isn't a TV guide, there are a vast number of shows that have 'List of [show] episodes' and provide similar information, though TV has ratings and further credits. I don't see how this is any different. Looking further there's "List of Radiolab episodes" that seems very much the same. Noletuary (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: NOTDIRECTORY is the issue here. Even if this is completely sourced, this is outside the scope of WP:NLIST. There is zero evidence presented or found in a reasonable BEFORE this material has been discussed in RS as a set of content. BusterD (talk) 23:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to WP:NLIST guidelines, if a reliable group of independent sources consider the list notable then it can be accepted as a stand alone list, right? For example the independent sources would be the musicians/(critics) themselves that had been featured on the show would voice their support and why the radio show is valuable which leads to the list being accepted. Would critic of the show be considered a reliable/journalistic source as well [4]https://www.dirtydiscoradio.com/the-15-best-radio-1-essential-mixes-list-ever-broadcasted/ 192.81.226.230 (talk) 16:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep there are plenty more sources available besides the BBC site, for example Resident Advisor, mixmag, DJMag, I am sure the sourcing on this could be improved. I disagree that this is indiscriminate, appearing on the essential mix is the kind of "featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment" meant by WP:MUSIC criterion 12, so the artists on this list should all be notable, even though many currently don't have articles. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 15:21, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 22:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep re-adding my comment below the relisting.

There are a vast number of shows that have 'List of [show] episodes' and provide similar information, I don't see how this is any different. There's TV episode lists that have more info like rating/prod code/summaries but looking further there's "List of Radiolab episodes" that seems very much the same.

If it's strictly the lack of source. Some examples have been provided above, and probably since the creation of this page each edit could put BBC Radio 1's page as the source as new ones are added, the issue is BBC just does not preserve it past a month. But that's a fair amount of time for others to review and confirm, and keep this encyclopedia of BBC Radio 1 Essential Mix Programming that I and many others use. Noletuary (talk) 19:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTTVGUIDE "An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events". - If the fact that some people add the upcoming weeks shows that BBC posts is the issue, we can keep it to past shows only.

"Historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." - This show has been run in excess of 25 years and is one of BBC Radio One's longest running programs Noletuary (talk) 19:44, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This information is fully verifiable via the BBC Programme Index. Rillington (talk) 04:25, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"As a result of the scanning process, much of the data extracted from Radio Times needed to be tidied up. We have run a crowd-sourcing exercise, asking members of the public to correct typos and errors in the text to make them accurately reflect the Radio Times magazine entries." I did find some discrepancies compared to the Wikipedia page as far as the first 9 mixes in 1993. I think we found our source though. 192.81.226.230 (talk) 17:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- - Comment The article can be tidied up without any need to discuss the notion of the article being deleted.Rillington (talk) 11:05, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per arguments presented by filelakeshoe. ResonantDis_tortion 18:05, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete NOTDIRECTORY this is just a huge collection and not properly sources. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 20:51, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:53, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Per nom. WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Alex-h (talk) 09:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I came across the Flume essential mix on YouTube and wanted to see what other mixes there were. This page definitely helped me find the mixes quickly and easily via the tables. I don't know why you would want to delete this page it certainly helped me. I'm sure there are dozens of other people who also did the same thing. I'd rather quickly go on Wikipedia than whatever monstrosity of a website the BBC has going on. Newresdesignisdumb420! (talk) 02:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC) — Newresdesignisdumb420! (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Comment: I'm forced to point out that this fourteen year old list has never seen a reliable source applied to it, even during this deletion process. Zero sources. 164,954 bytes but not a single citation. BusterD (talk) 11:24, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.