Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gérard Rozenknop

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The result was keep. Le WP:SNOW The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:03, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gérard Rozenknop

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Non-notable person. Doesn't meet WP:ACADEMIC (he was director of an engineering school) or WP:BIO. All references listed are primary sources. The article itself reads like a basic (short) resume. McSly (talk) 01:52, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I cleaned up the article so that it no longer reads as a resume, but as the director general of a major university, Gérard Rozenknop clearly meets Wikipedia's academic notability guideline: The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society. NJ Wine (talk) 04:27, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, your cleanup has been promptly reverted (although, this is certainly easily fixable). I don't think that the ENAC qualifies as a "major university" or a "major academic institution". It is a specialized school, has "only" 2000 students compared to more than 23,000 for University of Paris-Sorbonne (one of the 13 Universities in Paris). But more importantly, if you look at the article itself, you can see that the subject has not accomplish anything significant (or at all) in the academic field which is kind of a requirement to meet WP:ACADEMIC.-- McSly (talk) 13:00, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ENAC is the biggest aviation university in Europe : [1], [2] and a grande école, which is above universities in the French educational system 80.13.85.217 (talk) 13:13, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not saying that it is a "bad" or "small" school. Just saying that 1) regular universities has 10 times more students 2) grande école vs universities is really a French-centric debate that doesn't really translate internationally so saying that they are "above" is not really an argument 3) the most important part, the subject of the article has not accomplish anything notable in his life except which kind of disqualifies him for an article on WP.--McSly (talk) 13:28, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia's academic notability guideline is very clear: "The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society", which is completely the case here. 80.13.85.217 (talk) 13:36, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He was a director of one of the Grandes Ecoles, which in French educational system stand above the universities and thus he is notable according to academic notability.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He was President of the French Civil Aviation University, some secondary sources. 80.13.85.217 (talk) 10:49, 7 June 2012 (UTC) This is an editor who edit without an account from a static IP. KTC (talk)[reply]
Keep' Certainly notable as per NJ Wine...William 18:17, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - A grande école is a "major academic institution". Major doesn't just mean they have lots of students. The director general is "a highest-level elected or appointed academic post". KTC (talk) 18:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep~~Comment~~ Has been deleted from French wiki http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:G%C3%A9rard_Rozenknop/Suppression mostly because of insufficient reliable references — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcewan (talk • contribs) 18:55, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It was few months ago. So maybe at this time the sources was not the same. Here, the sources are good qualities and secondaries. Even that, the academic notability is not the same on every Wikipedia. Here, it clearly meets academic notability : "The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society". And moreover, the article is young, it takes time to make improvements by contributors. 80.13.85.217 (talk) 19:12, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you should know since you are the one who created both articles. So, are they the same ?--McSly (talk) 20:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - notability seems to have been established here. Mjroots (talk) 22:22, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:55, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - NJWine's explanation of the significance of the grandes écoles is exactly spot on. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 01:45, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Snow Keep - This person passes criteria #6 of WP:ACADEMIC, as a former director-general of the École nationale de l'aviation civile (French civil aviation university). Northamerica1000^(talk) 11:06, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep seems to meet all requirements. --Nouniquenames (talk) 16:04, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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