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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. This is clearly an acutely controversial topic. There's clear arguments on both sides of the debate, and there's differing interpretations of the policy in the area, particularly in terms of WP:PORNBIO. There's no sign of any consensus at this moment in time. Given the high levels of participation already, and the palpable split between editors, I have zero confidence that relisting this for another seven days would lead to any sort of consensus. As such, I am closing this as a no consensus. I hope this detailed closure explains my decision. KaisaL (talk) 00:18, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails PORNBIO & GNG, This was created by an editor who went on a mass article creation, It's twice been CSD'd under G4 however one editor for some reason disagrees so renominating again!. –Davey2010Talk 13:50, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rebecca1990 - Nope no cherry picking, First off I apologize for not pinging you - I went through every name pasting them above but somehow missed yours (certainly wasn't intentional), Secondly as a rule I only ping the previous discussion but no further and seeing as it was a 2013 discussion I have no idea if a few have retired etc etc), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 16:20, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk) 15:57, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk) 15:57, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:28, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Moronic comments"? I would urge you to read WP:NPA. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 02:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Carrite's delete vote is basically an acknowledgment that this passes PORNBIO. Only reason he voted delete is because he disagrees with the PORNBIO guideline criteria. No logical reason here to "IAR" (WP:Ignore all rules), since keeping this article in no way prevents us from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, in fact, it does the opposite due to the likelihood that Addams will also win an AVN/XBIZ/XRCO non-scene/ensemble award in the future, resulting in the eventual recreation of the article anyways. Like I've said before, "considering NightMoves well-known/significant under PORNBIO will more often lead to EARLIER creation of articles than ADDITIONAL creation of articles. A lot of porn stars/directors received the first award of their careers from NightMoves. Devon won NM Best Actress in 2003 and did not win anything else until her AVN HoF induction in 2010, Pat Myne won NM Best Director in 2004 and did not win anything else until his AVN HoF induction in 2011, and Eric Masterson won NM Best Actor in 2005 and did not win anything else until his AVN HoF induction in 2014" and "now that the AVN and XBIZ awards have taken place, four people (Kleio Valentien, Ryan Driller, Jessy Dubai, Kendra Sunderland) whose only non-scene/ensemble award wins prior to AVN/XBIZ 2016 were from NightMoves, have now won either an AVN or XBIZ non-scene/ensemble award. Accepting NightMoves Awards as passing PORNBIO only gave them notability under that guideline three months earlier than it would have otherwise." Also, last week's XRCO show awarded Ryan Conner with her only other non-scene/ensemble award besides her 2001 NightMoves win. Last year, it was Anikka Albrite, Carter Cruise, Maddy O'Reilly, Nikki Benz, and Prinzzess won AVN/XBIZ/XRCO non-scene/ensemble awards with their only previous non-scene/ensemble wins being from NightMoves. All five of those WP articles were created prior to AVN/XBIZ/XRCO 2015, and it would have been a complete waste of time to delete them just to recreate them again, especially when they already met PORNBIO with their NightMoves wins. Rebecca1990 (talk) 16:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. GNG and PORNBIO failure. The most significant change since the last AfD is the NightMoves win, which does not establish notability per PORNBIO. Citing a majority of votes in the Keri Sable debate, which closed as no consensus, does not make a convincing argument. • Gene93k (talk) 19:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keri Sable's AfD wasn't the only evidence for NightMoves's notability I provided. I also cited a Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper's description of the NightMoves Awards as "the third largest in the porn industry" and the fact that it's the porn industry's third longest running awards show as evidence for notability. Since your vote, I've also provided evidence that there are porn awards with less coverage that aren't as longevous as NightMoves which have consensus among WP users to include in PORNBIO. Rebecca1990 (talk) 16:14, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.